**VIDEO: Israeli footage shows activists' attacks on Soldier-tried to hang?)

This is not the first time that an "aid" ship has been warned not to cross the blockade. Furthermore, this particular ship took the meaning of "aid" to a new level. We're not talking about the S.S. McKinney here.

This ship was full of " aid advocates" and militants and they were prepared for conflict right down to their typical death chants before the incident. They were expecting confrontation.

Given the history and terror links of "gaza flotilla" clearly the IDF knew what this ship was up to. Both parties knew what they were getting into. Unfortunately, the IDF was not anticipating the attacks on the commandos as they dropped in on there rappels. They were armed with paint guns as a primary weapon.

IF you are going to warn a ship not to cross a line then you have to follow through. It's like threatening a toddler with a time out and then backing down. Eventually, the toddler will understand that you do not intend to back up your threat and will take advantage of the situation.

This story is still developing and all of the facts are not clear nor will they ever be clear in this battle of he said, she said.

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Well, that pretty well says it, I think. Anyone else?

It would be interesting to see what video will be released by the Peace Advocates. I doubt we'll ever see a complete and uneditied version. I have been checking around but nothing yet.

We shall see what the countries in the area do. It is about time for them to have a way anyway.

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most these fools if they were in that situation would prob wave their white flags and surrender, i doubt any of them would even stick by their causes or even risk their lives.

Originally posted by jibeho
This is not the first time that an "aid" ship has been warned not to cross the blockade. Furthermore, this particular ship took the meaning of "aid" to a new level. We're not talking about the S.S. McKinney here.

This ship was full of " aid advocates" and militants and they were prepared for conflict right down to their typical death chants before the incident. They were expecting confrontation.

Given the history and terror links of "gaza flotilla" clearly the IDF knew what this ship was up to. Both parties knew what they were getting into. Unfortunately, the IDF was not anticipating the attacks on the commandos as they dropped in on there rappels. They were armed with paint guns as a primary weapon.

IF you are going to warn a ship not to cross a line then you have to follow through. It's like threatening a toddler with a time out and then backing down. Eventually, the toddler will understand that you do not intend to back up your threat and will take advantage of the situation.

This story is still developing and all of the facts are not clear nor will they ever be clear in this battle of he said, she said.

I agree!

Many people outright condemn Israel for their actions but I actually comend them for their restraint. Being someone born in a military family and having a military mindset of my own. The Israel commandos went over to the ship with less than lethal munition as their primary weaponry which shows their intent. the intent not to kill or harm the passengers of this ship. However, Israel was in the right to board a ship who refused all inspections and who blatantly had the intent of breaking through the Israeli blockade no matter what the cost.

lets take this from a common sense stand point. I am an aid ship and I want to help the people in Gaza... The Israeli Gov has a blockade but is willing to let me pass upon inspection of my goods... do I "A" submit to an inspection run the risk of having my stuff confiscated but still have the chance to provide aid if that is my true intent... or do I "B" tell the Israeli Gov. "F*** You" and try to run through a military blockade?

The Israeli Gov. has intel that their are terrorist ties to this ship and these people chose option B so what do you expect Israel to do? let them through? Honestly, in this situation I find the people of the ship in the wrong! I am sorry if I was headed into Israel or any other country's territory and their military decided to board my ship I would let them. Honestly, if you have nothing to hide you dont fight. Especially if the men boarding the ship are not even shooting at you!!! come on! all the videos I saw of peopl on that ship they were taking it to the soldiers before they even got two feet on the deck!!! And guess what it turns out there were people on that ship with ties to terrorist organizations...

I don't think any militants were allowed on this humanitarian mission. My American ambassador is not that much of a terrorist. The commandos won because they had pistols that killed people. How some acitivists managed to throw one overboard amazes me. I guess these buckaneers were overconfident when they attacked. Why they heck did Israel attack in international waters? It makes the commandos into criminals.

So the IDF open fire on the ship and kill at least one person and injure many more, these same soldiers then proceed to board the ship and encounter resistance from the passengers..but the passengers are in the wrong? That's some funny logic. After being shot at before they boarded the ship i would be scared,confused and angry, unsure of what the soldiers boarding the ships intentions were.

[edit on 2-6-2010 by Solomons]

Take another look at events... Helps to know how things got started.

The Israelis had every right to defend themselves.

If the Police were to stop you in the street and ask you to accompany them and you started to beat the living daylights out of them with weapons then I would expect they would respond with force too.

The reason there is a naval blockade is to prevent munitions being smuggled into Gaza ready for use against Israel.

The purpose of the raid was to divert the ships to a safe port for inspection. The aid would have got through to the civilians in Gaza but if there were any weapons on board there would have been detentions and further tightening of the blockade.

Israel has the right to defend themselves!!!

Korg.

Originally posted by Korg Trinity
The Israelis had every right to defend themselves.

If the Police were to stop you in the street and ask you to accompany them and you started to beat the living daylights out of them with weapons then I would expect they would respond with force too.

The reason there is a naval blockade is to prevent munitions being smuggled into Gaza ready for use against Israel.

The purpose of the raid was to divert the ships to a safe port for inspection. The aid would have got through to the civilians in Gaza but if there were any weapons on board there would have been detentions and further tightening of the blockade.

Israel has the right to defend themselves!!!

Korg.

AMEN!!!

Sometimes I feel like no one on this forum has any common sense. Then people like you post and its like a breath of fresh air! Thank you Korg!

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You go Korg. Right on.

ANd now, it seems more and more is coming out on how the boaters attacked the Troops-who were carrying PAINTBALL guns!!!!

Sounds to me like the boaters were looking for a fight-and got one-and lost.

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It sure looked like the IDF was being attacked as soon as they hit the deck. i would say that israeli soldiers were acting in self defense. although offensivley storming an aid boat is definatley inflamatory, the soldiers had to act. they are trained to defend themselves at all costs. you can bet if they were beating me with deadly objects and throwing malotove cocktails at me and my fellow soldiers, i would be taking defensive action. you have to. would you rather just watch the Israeli soldiers be killed....oh then it wouldnt be news and no one would care!!!

What seems to be omitted from these stories is the fact that the primary weapon that was being carried by the Naval troops was in fact a PAINT BALL GUN!! Hardly leathal and no defence against someone with an iron bar/pipe. Their secondary weapon was their side arm.

From the news accounts I got, the Isrealies only opened fire AFTER two of their side arms were taken by the mob. The mob started shooting at the Israelies FIRST! This just looks like a case of good ole fashion self defense to me.

I just call em as I see em.

Here is a clip of an IDF officer being stabbed.

vodpod.com...


edit to add:
Instructions were given to the lead ship to pull into a designated port to allow for a cargo inspection and cargo offloading and delivery to Gaza. The aid ships captain replied negative negative and kept underway in a provocative manner. The "peace activists" were armed and ready for trouble.

[edit on 2-6-2010 by jibeho]

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Man, you are on this! Good job and find.

I think as time passes and we get more info it will appear a whole different way.

The problem is the damage is already done-for the most part. Their enemies will use this to whip up the frenzied masses and if they want a war, it will be easy to do.

I think Isreal beleives this time is for real and are ready to deal some death.

Originally posted by APOCOLYPSE DAWN

Originally posted by jibeho
This is not the first time that an "aid" ship has been warned not to cross the blockade. Furthermore, this particular ship took the meaning of "aid" to a new level. We're not talking about the S.S. McKinney here.

This ship was full of " aid advocates" and militants and they were prepared for conflict right down to their typical death chants before the incident. They were expecting confrontation.

Given the history and terror links of "gaza flotilla" clearly the IDF knew what this ship was up to. Both parties knew what they were getting into. Unfortunately, the IDF was not anticipating the attacks on the commandos as they dropped in on there rappels. They were armed with paint guns as a primary weapon.

IF you are going to warn a ship not to cross a line then you have to follow through. It's like threatening a toddler with a time out and then backing down. Eventually, the toddler will understand that you do not intend to back up your threat and will take advantage of the situation.

This story is still developing and all of the facts are not clear nor will they ever be clear in this battle of he said, she said.

I agree!

Many people outright condemn Israel for their actions but I actually comend them for their restraint. Being someone born in a military family and having a military mindset of my own. The Israel commandos went over to the ship with less than lethal munition as their primary weaponry which shows their intent. the intent not to kill or harm the passengers of this ship. However, Israel was in the right to board a ship who refused all inspections and who blatantly had the intent of breaking through the Israeli blockade no matter what the cost.

lets take this from a common sense stand point. I am an aid ship and I want to help the people in Gaza... The Israeli Gov has a blockade but is willing to let me pass upon inspection of my goods... do I "A" submit to an inspection run the risk of having my stuff confiscated but still have the chance to provide aid if that is my true intent... or do I "B" tell the Israeli Gov. "F*** You" and try to run through a military blockade?

The Israeli Gov. has intel that their are terrorist ties to this ship and these people chose option B so what do you expect Israel to do? let them through? Honestly, in this situation I find the people of the ship in the wrong! I am sorry if I was headed into Israel or any other country's territory and their military decided to board my ship I would let them. Honestly, if you have nothing to hide you dont fight. Especially if the men boarding the ship are not even shooting at you!!! come on! all the videos I saw of peopl on that ship they were taking it to the soldiers before they even got two feet on the deck!!! And guess what it turns out there were people on that ship with ties to terrorist organizations...

And I agree with you.
they started the fight.
you attack a soldier you can get killed.
and I bet most on ATS will not belive what they find on the ship...

Originally posted by Korg Trinity
The Israelis had every right to defend themselves.

According to many, Israel doesn't even have the right to exist.

Personally I think Israel sucks too much money from the U.S. and has too much influence.

That being said, it is amazing how many people have instantly jumped on the ISRAEL IS EVIL bandwagon before looking at any of the facts. I expect many muslims to hate Israel, it is in their culture. But wow, these Hamas guys and Turkish extremists have played so many people like fools.

I don't think the EVIL ZIONIST media could have made up these videos with people with metal rods swinging at Israeli soldiers or Israeli soldiers getting tossed overboard. No matter how EVIL Israel is, that doesn't change the facts of the event.

One has to look at the evidence before making accusations. The evidence points to "aid" workers itching for a fight and planning a provocation that would damage Israel. Well played I might add.

These "aid" ships were blockade runners and it really doesn't matter if this was international waters or not. It's called maritime interdiction, and many countries do this but of course ISRAEL IS EVIL.

What is worrying is that people are turning a blind eye into a developing problem.

Turkey and Israel have been close allies for many years. The Turkish and Israeli military have been practicing for years.

Recently, the Turkish government has been trending away from secularism and more towards a religious government.

Let us all look at the history books for once. The last time Turkey went the way of a religious government, it was a caliphate and its armies were marching all the way to Vienna. And for the Arab lovers, the Turks also held much of the middle east.

There might be an Islamic revival happening in Turkey. Do we really want another Ottoman Empire? The first building block to an empire is uniting the people and the easy way to do that is to create an enemy. Hey look, its the EVIL ISRAEL.

They also offered to have the UN inspect the cargo because they refused to allow Israel to do it, and they refused to allow the UN to inspect the ships.

They went in with the intent of inflaming the situation, and they did. They were very clearly making attempts to bully Israel and railroad them, the same as they have been doing in the past.

When the people are crying about no aid getting through, Israel had video of the UN aid stockpiles in Gaza. Only, Hamas was keeping it from the people, not Israel. Israel just got the blame, and this was with the UN knowing it and not revealing it to the US public.


This is all being designed to make Israel look bad, and then worse, and the people are falling for it. The hate is astounding.

biggovernment.com...

Western Media Forgets to Mention That ‘Gaza Flotilla’ Is a Terror-Linked Organization (Video)

The so-called peaceful leftists and Pro-Gaza activists who attacked the Israeli soldiers today with pipes, metal rods and chairs belong to a terrorist-linked organization. The International Humanitarian Fund (IHH), which plays a central role in organizing the Gaza Flotilla, is a Turkish humanitarian relief fund with a radical Islamic anti-Western orientation. The president of IHH (Bulent Yildirim) recruited “Jihad warriors” and transferred firearms, and explosives to Al Qaeda and other Islamic terrorists organizations.

For some strange reason the state-run media forgot to mention this in their reports today?

Here is one video that shows the Gaza Flotilla activists chanting “Kill the Jews”.
Via Palestinian Media Watch:

(video at link)

One Jerusalem reported more on the terror-linked organization today:

In the wake of the deadly battle at sea, Israel has been telling the world that the prime sponsor of the so-called “Gaza Flotilla” is a terrorist linked organization. Many news organizations, (including the New York Times, Reuters, and the British Broadcasting Corporation), are ignoring this charge and continue to refer the so-called victims as peaceful Palestinian advocates.

A week ago, the Republic of Cyprus denied the flotilla any access to its ports. Despite some international criticism, the Cypriot government did not want to be party to a dangerous scheme by a confrontation minded group.The Cypriots clearly did their homework – something that the news media did not.

A quick search of Internet reveals that Turkish based International Humanitarian Fund (IHH) is embedded with terrorists and their organizations. Like Hamas they provide humanitarian aid but their clients include Al Qaeda, Hamas, etc. Turkish security forces raided the Istanbul office of IHH. IHH activists were arrested, and Turkish security forces found explosives, manuals, and weapons. (For authoritative information on IHH click here.)

According to the French intelligence, the president of IHH (Bulent Yildirim) recruited “Jihad warriors” and transferred firearms, and explosives to Al Qaeda and other Islamic terrorists organizations. IHH has also been fingered for producing documents so Islamic terrorists can travel by air posing as relief workers. And IHH was involved with the terrorist who tried to smuggle 1320 pounds of explosives to be used to blow up Los Angeles International Airport.

This is a partial picture of the forces challenging Israel. These are people who are determined to destroy the Jewish State. These facts are not being broadcast in the many hours of news time being given to the Flotilla story.

rightwingnews.com...

Let’s get this situation in perspective. ”Free Gaza” is a bunch of lunatics that’s tried to violate the blockade nine times in less than two years. They got precisely what they deserved – precisely. This is nothing but a public relations stunt.

Their “humanitarian aid” can go overland. They know it. They purposely loaded up with cement for Gaza in violation of the supplies allowed into Hamas-controlled Gaza, an organization that launches missiles daily into Israel civilian areas. Can cement go into Gaza? Yes, but only for declared projects. Otherwise, it will be used for military purposes. Everything on those ships could go into Gaza after inspection.

“Free Gaza” created this confrontation and paid the price.

...Israel did nothing wrong. Nothing. Not a single thing. -- Liberty Pundits

There is a *lot* of disinfo being bandied about that comes right from Hamas and terror organizations - that gets passed on in hate filled remarks.
S
Nice to see that so many people have no problem being a mouthpiece for terrorists.
/S



[edit on 3-6-2010 by Libertygal]