interesting Mars pic...what is it?

Kano,

I agree.
Also, things won't be AS CRISPY as Earth landings, due to the much
THINNER atmosphere on Mars..I saw the thing on the original raw images
and was pretty sure then that It's something we brought to Mars, a little
Earth junk!

ok then if you look at the quicktime animation of the landing the heatshield is cut at 20,000 now some simple physics the lander is mowing away from the heat shield at a downward angle. So the heatshield falls down and away from the lander, also then the parachutes deploy fire rockets to further slowdown the lander then the balloons ( which are not metal) soooo how come a heat shield lost 30,000 feat away is next to the crater also mars has a thin atmosphere and low winds. So what is it doing there

The Rover had to make a drive to get to Bonneville crater.
So the Shield didn't land extremely close to the Landing site,
And again, even a FAST wind, in a thin atmosphere, has much less effect on
something, than the same wind speed on Earth..

It's like comparing a 10mph river current, which is very strong, to
a 10mph wind in the atmosphere, the air is thinner than the water,
you can barely feel it..

Indeed, perhaps you should do a little research Kriskaos, the rover didn't make it to Bonneville crater until Sol 67. Its not 'right next' to the landing site.

oh im sorry I didnt know that fact but is the crater towards the landing site or away from it?

Originally posted by metalmessiah
the parallel lines are not tire tracks. there are about 6 lines that just end, they dont go anywhere.

these look like wind blown sand, just like you get on any beach.
although the Martian atmosphere is thin there is still enough to create some massive storms

has anyone covered what the item is on the left side of the screen in the hi-resolution photo, about even with where the framing of the camera ( the black area to the left of the photo starts to show), it looks like a glass lying on its side or a pipe sticking on an acute angle from the sand? Comments, etc.

I am not sure. The whole mars mission seems fishy to me. Ancient technology. (Mars Face).

Or was it faked? A car on the horizen. The desert of nevada spruced up a bit, with a nice color of red.

Or was it one unidentifiable object which NASA did not wish to find out and instead send their robot to look at rocks instead of the truth.

Kriskaos, the crater was between the landing site and the hills Spirit is now at the foot of.

gemron, what exactly are you seeing, I don't see anything like what you desribed?

MysticalUnicorn, perhaps you could look into it more then and follow up your theories. Why go investigate the heatshield when they already know all about it? (Having built it).

Kano, its along the left side of the screen near the black. I am upping a cropped pic of it.

I hope this helps you ID what i am refering to.
Also if you look a little above it and to the left while zooming in with PHoto Shop, there is an item that appears to look like a skull.

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Mystical Unicorn, it looks NOTHING like the Nevada Desert. I should know, I hang out there all the time...nothing is as "remote" as 15 minutes going 70 down winnemucca high way (hell I don't even know the dirt road bugger's name...) but it's great when you want to "get away" and see the stars.

Nevada is completely covered in Sage Brush, and if you could live off that stuff, there'd be nothing in Nevada resembling a desert.

As for this "pipe" sticking out of the ground...I don't see it...I'm an aspiring Geologist and I can never see anything but rocks in all the pictures that supposedly harbor some ancient stuff...

By aspiring I mean I'm going to get my Ph.D in Planetary Geology...that's my career direction.

Gemron,

I'm also having trouble seeing whatever you are referring to.

Freemason,

Oh, c'mon, it looks a little like the Nevada desert!

There's a place in the Pah-Rah range that I've visited.
The rocks are moslty Basaltic, and they have a red "desert varnish"
from years of exposure. They are lying around the landscape, mixed in
with old volcanic ashfalls..But yeah, there is the sagebrush out there..
Maybe if you squint a little!

I have highlighted the pipe-like or glass lying on its side, item I am referring to.

I've seen a ton of pictures like this from various Martian locations. So far, I'm gonna say absolutely EVERYTHING I've seen that's machined and made out of metal or whatever on the Martian surface can easily be directly related to items that came with the probe (heatshield, etc). If NASA or anyone else was involved in some form of a cover-up, wouldn't they screen these pictures a little better? They can't very well have hi-res photos of Alien Technology showing up on internet conspiracy forums.

Then again, you could show some people a picture of giant titanium replicas of Greek Gods on the surface of Mars, and they would say it's something totally mundane and explicable.

--J1M

Gemron,

I see what you are talking about now..
Like some stoners left the bong lying around.

I'm not sure what that is.

I would guess, that it's just a rock, an optical illusion. Coloring in just the right
places..

Whilst I am inclined to agree that it is more than likely going to be a part of the spacecraft. I have to point out that the worst substance you could have as a heatshield would be aluminium. It is highly reactive for a start, and burns very easily. To coat a multi million dollar spacecraft in aluminium would be foolhardy to say the least!

Perhaps that is what happened to Beagle 2??

Originally posted by stumason
I have to point out that the worst substance you could have as a heatshield would be aluminium. It is highly reactive for a start, and burns very easily. To coat a multi million dollar spacecraft in aluminium would be foolhardy to say the least!

Logic... Logic... Now where did it go?

It's "hull" of heatshield. (which is then covered with protective material)

Well, judging by my expertise, after much research and investigation into this photo, I have come to conclude the following:

It is the other end of Saddam Hussein's secret tunnel, that starts in the NorthWestern Desert, and ends in that portion of the Martian Desert.

Now, after exiting the tunnel, the little green Martian men, resembling the aliens from the popular Mel Gibson movie "Signs", come, and abduct you. After which they let you play in an intergalactic "jumpy house", after which they proceed to feed you BBQ ribs and have a fiesta.

(I'm being very serious here)





















(Can't 'ya tell? )

-wD

E_T said:

Logic... Logic... Now where did it go? It's "hull" of heatshield. (which is then covered with protective material)

What???? Do you speak english, or even pretend to understand it? Its hull of heatshield??? What the f**k does that mean? People where stating that it could be an aluminium heatshield....this is wrong for the exact reasons I gave. It would incinerate in seconds on re-entry and your spacecraft would be screwed. The standard material that is used for heatshields is a ceramic substance, which does not burn up on re-entry. this is not shiny, in fact it would go very black.
Anyone see the Apollo modules, or even the space shuttle after it lands? (providing that the shoddy american engineering hasn't already doomed the poor crew. Much rather be in a Russian spacecraft than one built by NASA)

Perhaps E_T you should get out your pretend jumpsuit, stop going to crappy conventions and get your head out of your ar*e. Look up heatshields and I guarantee that no where on the outside of a spacecraft that has to endure re-entry will you find a single piece of Aluminium. It burns easily at room temperature, let alone at 5000c!! Although it wouldn't surprise me if NASA did build one out of Aluminium...hey to save money (which seems to be the

Jesus, get a life and get your facts straight before even trying to prove me wrong. i will not make a comment unless I am certain that I am right

Originally posted by stumason
It burns easily at room temperature, let alone at 5000c!!

I don't pretend to know about this kind of stuff, but aluminum burns easily at room temperature? What does that mean? Aluminum combusts at 70 degrees? No one said it was pure aluminum.

Here is what JPL says it is made of, and I think they are probably the experts on this:

What is the aeroshell made of?

Built by the Lockheed Martin Astronautics Co. in Denver, CO., the aeroshell is made out of an aluminum honeycomb structure sandwiched between graphite-epoxy face sheets. The outside of the aeroshell is covered with a layer of phenolic honeycomb. A phenolic compound is made from benzene and is typically used in various plastics, disinfectants, and pharmaceuticals. This phenolic honeycomb is filled with an ablative material (also called an "ablator"), which dissipates heat generated by atmospheric friction.

The ablator itself is a unique blend of cork wood, binder and many tiny silica glass spheres. It was invented for the heat shields flown on the Viking Mars lander missions 25 years ago. A similar technology was used in the first US manned space missions Mercury, Gemini and Apollo. It is specially formulated to react chemically with the Martian atmosphere during entry and essentially take heat away, leaving a hot wake of gas behind the vehicle. (Normal friction without an ablator would cause the heat shield to burn up.) The heat loss to the Martian atmosphere lowers the kinetic energy of the entry vehicle, thereby it slowing it down .... a lot.....fast! The vehicle will slow from 10,000 mph to about 1000 mph in about a minute, producing about 10 "Earth gees" of acceleration on the lander and rover.

Both the backshell and heat shield are made of the same materials, but the heat shield has a thicker (1/2 in) layer of the ablator. Also, instead of being painted, the backshell will be covered with a very thin aluminized mylar blanket to protect it from the cold of deep space. The blanket will vaporize during Mars atmospheric entry.

This was taken right from JPL's website

Are you sure you are correct about this? It looks like there is aluminum in the heatshield.

OBTW, you probably shouldn't blast the guy so bad when you are basically wrong.

Edit: One other thing Stunmason, it's ALUMINUM not aluminium




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