Why Nuclear War Must NEVER Happen

Why Nuclear War Must NEVER Happen

I think people in this day and age, especially the younger folks, are not taking seriously, the threat of nuclear war, the video below is simply a reminder.

Now the only serious threat of anyone using this based on what they have done in the past would be America, this is in no way a hating thread, its just what the government did.

The people, very rarely, if ever (imo) do large populations be "evil" almost always it is the fault of a handful of people, doing so for power, money, or land.

Now, although this video is old, already has many views, it would not hurt for us to have a reminder of the horrors, if an event like this occurs.



So what can we do?

Renew our efforts,
Keep the search for truth going,
Keep telling everyone proven truth,
because IF war is at stake here, and one country decides to attack (whoever that may be) and there are many country's with this weaponry who could use it tomorrow if the choose, others may do so in retaliation, and could lead quite possibly to the extinction human race.

I'm not saying a single country should not have this weapon, imo if all country's didn't have these powerful weapons would be better off, but until then we need to
Expose any false reasons for war,
Expose potential use of this weaponry,
Expose building of this weaponry,
and on and on.

I'm not saying doom and gloom and that this will happen, but if the phrase "better be safe than sorry" ever meant something then its case cannot be held higher than in this situation.

Thanks for reading.
Peace.

BTW: I know most people already know this, but I felt like giving this warning, because some are not taking is seriously enough, is it because you think it will never happen? Its like wearing a seatbelt, you think you will be fine nothing will happen to YOU, but as I said before, I felt the need to write this and once again your better off doing something, than nothing.

[EDIT] = Just adding the reply I posted below, this is not a thread to instill fear, it is a simple warning, to carry on and react appropriately to threats.

I agree you can become obsessed with things, and people should not believe there going to die any second ... that would lower someones quality of life lol.

I don't agree that telling children or teenagers this is going to do much, well maybe older teens would be okay, A: You don't want to scare them and B: Its unlikely they will be able to contribute, or should they have to, unless they are an adult and choose to do so.

Never meant to send this as a scare message, because most people on here already know what to do and I am "preaching to the choir" so to speak, its just a reminder that if a threat DOES come up to take it seriously.


[edit on 30-5-2010 by GoodLuckCharm]

[edit on 30-5-2010 by GoodLuckCharm]

Above Top Secret

Wow second thread about nuclear war today.

1st step would be to show young children the film in the linked thread. just a reminder of what we have already faced, but seem to have forgotten about.

[edit on 30/505/1010 by JakiusFogg]

Originally posted by JakiusFogg
Above Top Secret

Wow second thread about nuclear war today.

1st step would be to show young children the film in the linked thread. just a reminder of what we have already faced, but seem to have forgotten about.

[edit on 30/505/1010 by JakiusFogg]

Sorry, did not see that thread. Made it without thinking about checking, I still feel it may wake some people up though.

reply to post by GoodLuckCharm


not my thread, so I don't care. I just thought it was ironic.

but the message is soo true

I'm in my early 50's and often refer to myself as a Cold War Baby. I remember clearly believing the world would NEVER make it 1980. Here it is 2010!

I believed the fall of the Berlin Wall would signal a new Age of Enlightenment and the world would hurtle head-long into a Perfect Utopia of Brotherly Love and Mutual Understanding. Yeah, laugh if you want -- I do.

That was fairly quickly replaced with a nostalgic yearning for a return of the "simple days of the Cold War." The threat of nuclear war is a walk in the park when compared to the threats of the unleashing of an EMP or biological attack.

Hmmm i dont think terrifying young kids with Nuclear War stories is the best way to go about making people more aware, the parents can be knowledgable on the subject and can tell their children about it when they are older and more wiser but there is no reason to tell young kids about it and they cant exactly help the efforts to stop it at such a young age , you are meant to protect them from being frightened by things like this.

Great thread and here's another good reason.

Everyone should watch this film - it should even be compulsory viewing in schools.

Threads

Google Video Link

Threads is a 1984 television docudrama depicting the effects of a nuclear war on the United Kingdom and its aftermath. Written by Barry Hines and directed by Mick Jackson, Threads was filmed in late 1983 and early 1984. The premise of Threads was to hypothesize the effects of a nuclear war on the United Kingdom after an exchange between the Soviet Union and the United States escalates to include the UK.

reply to post by Geeky_Bubbe


I agree with that, I was a child in the 80's so the fall of the Berlin wall indeed was the start of a new dawn. the relief was immense. Only to be quickly replaced by something more sinister.

But thise years in the 90's post 9/11 were a golden time in my life.

My proof that not only I felt that way

The Doomsday Clock Timeline

At the height of the cold war in the 80s we went from 3 minutes to mindnight in 84 to 17 minutes in 1991.

Now we're back at 6 minutes!!

Gods help us, we just INSIST on scaring ourselves to death, and if that fails. then nukes will do the job.

I say we should stand and say in one voice. NO, we will be cowed no longer. We're sick of it.

Nostalgia is right, everything now that was pre 9/11 just seems more innocent. everything since seems to have been affected by the social movement to the macabre!

I agree you can become obsessed with things, and people should not believe there going to die any second ... that would lower someones quality of life lol.

I don't agree that telling children or teenagers this is going to do much, well maybe older teens would be okay, A: You don't want to scare them and B: Its unlikely they will be able to contribute, or should they have to, unless they are an adult and choose to do so.

Never meant to send this as a scare message, because most people on here already know what to do and I am "preaching to the choir" so to speak, its just a reminder that if a threat DOES come up to take it seriously.

reply to post by Everton


Thats the point everton. They SHOULD be terrified by this. The point that nuclear war becomes "normal" and the people immune to its spectre. we're doomed.

Just us falling further and deeper in to the rabbit hole of depravity.

reply to post by karl 12


Karl,

When the wind blows is better!!

If nuclear weapons had not existed, we could of seen more world wars, millions upon millions of men, women and children, simply slaughtered. You may not even be here. What do you think contained the major powers after WW2? Learn history.

reply to post by SteveR


"Contained the major powers"

You mean like the USSR spreading it borders all throughout the Baltic, Eastern Central Europe and the Balkans.

Or the US incursions into Socialist latin America,

or the communist / NATO scuffles in Korea, Vietnam and Afghanistan.

This war was fought physically by proxy, Was there a year after WW2 in which someone in the armed services was not on active duty??

well, it'll happen when it happens and there will not be one thing any one can do about it... innevitable in the end...

to many bullies and someone is gonna forget that the others do not want to be pushed and bullied...

so what the hell, to amny people here on the planet, cannot feed them all, to much headache with political jackasses and all the rest....

pop a can and let em get it on... because it is coming... like it or not, but it will get here when it is time...

If you ever need putting of nuclear war for life (quite literally) then see "Nuclear war: A Guide to Armageddon"
www.youtube.com...

But so far Muturally Assurred Destruction (because it's so transparentally MAD) has prevented war, rather than caused it. This was (at least) the outcome of over 40 years of Cold War between two powers that (during any such large amounts of time) would surely, otherwise have gone to war for real (U.S would have kicked Russia's ass! And Russians were no less confident themselves).

I wouldn't say Nukes are a "good" invention either, but its only because a full scale, nuclear war, will (eventurally) happen. Otherwise without it the human race could continue for millons of years, and if "a week is a long time in politics", then what does that make a million years? Thankfully our generation lives in decades.

So unless they fall into e.g. terrorist hands we have little to worry. Even if they did fall into their hands, terrorists can't make a nuke themselves, so somebody would be blamed for giving them the material-s (and hence MAD still applies). MAD has given us a number of good things...
1. Freedom from the logic of invasion (unless you do a Saddam and get rid of all WMD's)
2. Freedom from the logic of empires.
3. Freedom from the logic of World Wars

Of course MAD only deals with sanity, unlike the weapons system that manifest it, MAD itself doesn't control reality (and hence nukes will be used some day). But till then, I'm pleased they have 9at least) allowed the government, to cut out "The Draft"

To be honest had we listened to the hard core CND talk (give up our nukes without Russia giving up theirs) its quite possible the Soviet system could have saved itself from collapse by providing the war, their economy-system so badly craved. We would now be speaking Russian (or just be ash). So that's the other lesson, the way the world currenty works with Nukes is (mostly) good.

[edit on 090705 by Liberal1984]

Nuclear War should never happen! I am in agreement with that, however, it seems only a matter of time before it does. We see destabilization taking place around the world, an endless war, and rogue nations or terrorists elements having or seeking nuclear weapons to use at their very whim. Perhaps, the statement is as relevant today as it was in the Cold War? All it takes is one weapon being detonated, whether by accident or in a warfare scenario, and the domino affect will commence. That is the contingency plan, with the strategy known as MAD or Mutually Assured Destruction.

As long as their are nuclear weapons in existence, there is always the chance that they will be used. As some have said, major wars have been averted by such weapons. However, looking back at the Cold War with large scale wars like Korea, Vietnam, the Soviets in Afghanistan, the Iran/Iraq War, and other conflicts; it was only by good luck and fortune that the weapons were not deployed. Then we had many potential accidents that could have led to the complete annihilation of mankind. For example, the Cuban Missile Crisis, and the events of 1983.

Operation Able Archer-1983-Catastrophic game of Cat and Mouse

I grew up during the Cold War and as it was winding down, but I am as fearful now as I was then. Sadly, I still fear the politicians and military establishment fail to recognized the devastation brought to bear at the very existence of such weapons.

We have nations like North Korea playing around with the idea of using them if they are threatened or made accountable for their actions, rumors of a fundamentalist regime in Iran developing such weapons, instability in Pakistan and the potential of nuclear weapons falling into the hands of insurgent elements, and tensions between China, India, and Pakistan.

So, we can banter back and forth about demanding that they never be used again. However, as long as that awesome power is in existence, they will be used and it is not a matter of if, but when? Therefore, every man, woman, and child must live in the cross-hairs as they had during the Cold War, and continue to do so in the present. It is cold hard reality of our day. There is nothing any of us can do about it, but wait for the inevitable to come. Here is a sobering quote from J. Robert Oppenheimer, and father of the Atomic Bomb.





[edit on 30-5-2010 by Jakes51]

reply to post by GoodLuckCharm

That is okay by me that you posted this. We need also to know the truth
in this matter at many levels.
www.npr.org...
Actually the suffering only begins with the explosion and many tales?
have come to light about what people experienced afterward.
You are right it must never happen.

I remember being shown" The Day After "video at school in 1983,I guess the teachers wanted to show us what could happen.Those teachers were probably scared by the Cuban Missile Crisis and now it was our turn to fear the bomb and it worked ,It made me always worry about nuclear war.Here is a scene from that movie
www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by Jakes51

We have nations like North Korea playing around with the idea of using them if they are threatened or made accountable for their actions, rumors of a fundamentalist regime in Iran developing such weapons, instability in Pakistan and the potential of nuclear weapons falling into the hands of insurgent elements, and tensions between China, India, and Pakistan.

Thing is every one of those countries (barring China today) would have been a "legitimate" target for American-European invasion ("liberation"-"regieme change") if they're governments haden't developed nukes. We could be at war right now, with any one of at least four, and without them having nukes it would be an affordable exercise in "power projection". So as bad as it might be, maybe the biggest problem with nukes (in the eyes of certain people) is that they didn't just stop wars in the past, but they continue to do so today.

The fate Mr Saddam ended up exposed Iraq to, proves why (probably for this age-at least) the world simply cannot get rid of nukes. I.e. the moment "everybody" does, a power with nuclear weapons will bomb you conventionally, with nuclear weapons as a victory "back-up" option (and only as a back up option, if we're lucky!).

I grew up during the Cold War and as it was winding down, but I am as fearful now as I was then

Are you sure the fear is really justified? I say that cos if a nuclear happens today...
1. It's much less likely between super powers, and the number of weapons available to them, is massively reduced.
2. Pakistan, Iran, and most of all North Korea would all (currently) have difficulties reaching our cities (espicially when you take into account missile defence), and if they did strike it's very unlikely to involve the loss of more than a few cities (as opposed to all of them back in 1991).
3. Rather than West verses East, the war is most likely to be between India-Pakistan, or Iran-Israel, North Korea verses a South Korea (backed with U.S support, whilst U.S (itself) remains out NK's range)

So if this nuclear war happens its "only" the environmental impacts the West is going to have to deal with, and these too are much less than before. We would probably have food rations for next few summers, but that's probably about the most direct way, it would effect us.

it was only by good luck and fortune that the weapons were not deployed.

This much is so true!! If anyone ever asks you for "proof of God", then perhaps "Cold War" is quite a good answer!! I agree it seems unlikely mankind would get through 40 years of MAD. But since we did, it must surely say something about the (semi-rational) natures of mankind, as well perhaps (even) Gods too?

Originally posted by Liberal1984
Thing is every one of those countries (barring China today) would have been a "legitimate" target for American-European invasion ("liberation"-"regieme change") if they're governments haden't developed nukes. We could be at war right now, with any one of at least four, and without them having nukes it would be an affordable exercise in "power projection". So as bad as it might be, maybe the biggest problem with nukes (in the eyes of certain people) is that they didn't just stop wars in the past, but they continue to do so today.

You are correct, and if the countries mentioned above did not have access to the bomb, other much larger nations would perform power projection exercises or regime change as you have mentioned. A much larger country would no doubtingly be at war with the countries above if there was not a fear of nuclear attack by them. Still, is attacking them a reasonable risk? Wars have not stopped since the advent of nuclear weapons, and they may have only escalated. Back any country into a conventional stalemate, or a blood bath akin to battles from WWII, and nation could utilized a nuclear weapon to end the carnage. However, what will other nations with nuclear weapons do in response?

Originally posted by Liberal1984
The fate Mr Saddam ended up exposed Iraq to, proves why (probably for this age-at least) the world simply cannot get rid of nukes. I.e. the moment "everybody" does, a power with nuclear weapons will bomb you conventionally, with nuclear weapons as a victory "back-up" option (and only as a back up option, if we're lucky!).

In the case of Iraq, if the US government had concrete facts that Saddam possessed WMD as they said initially, it is safe to assume they would have tread more lightly on their military response. They knew from the get go that he did not have the weapons, and cherry picked that target. Where the conspiracy lies, is why they went to war to begin with? There is much speculation as to why, but nothing definitive of the true reasoning behind armed hostilities against Iraqi regime.

Originally posted by Jakes51
I grew up during the Cold War and as it was winding down, but I am as fearful now as I was then

Originally posted by Liberal1984
Are you sure the fear is really justified? I say that cos if a nuclear happens today...
1. It's much less likely between super powers, and the number of weapons available to them, is massively reduced.
2. Pakistan, Iran, and most of all North Korea would all (currently) have difficulties reaching our cities (espicially when you take into account missile defence), and if they did strike it's very unlikely to involve the loss of more than a few cities (as opposed to all of them back in 1991).
3. Rather than West verses East, the war is most likely to be between India-Pakistan, or Iran-Israel, North Korea verses a South Korea (backed with U.S support, whilst U.S (itself) remains out NK's range)

So if this nuclear war happens its "only" the environmental impacts the West is going to have to deal with, and these too are much less than before. We would probably have food rations for next few summers, but that's probably about the most direct way, it would effect us.

Now, you are correct and at this time the countries above may not have the capacity to launch ballistic missiles to hit the continental United States. However, they are actively seeking the technical know how from nations that do like China and Russia. Moreover, my fear comes from what will happen when a nuke is used and when the much larger nations respond in defense of the much smaller. That is the domino affect I was referencing to. Once one is used, it will be a downward spiral from there. The world will never be the same as it was when the US dropped the bomb on Japan. In regards to the missile defense systems in averting a nuclear strike, as far as I know, it was not been proven to be reliable?

Originally posted by Jakes51
it was only by good luck and fortune that the weapons were not deployed.

Originally posted by Liberal1984
This much is so true!! If anyone ever asks you for "proof of God", then perhaps "Cold War" is quite a good answer!! I agree it seems unlikely mankind would get through 40 years of MAD. But since we did, it must surely say something about the (semi-rational) natures of mankind, as well perhaps (even) Gods too?

Perhaps, there was Divine Intervention why the human race was not annihilated during the Cold War? One thing is for certain, we were very lucky. I sit back and sigh with relief about humanities ability to circumvent the perils associated with Cold War. However, a nuclear war is still possible as long as the weapon are in existence, and much larger nations have the propensity to back much smaller ones and turn the world into a raging inferno. Thanks for your reply!