Nassim Haramein's Delegate Program

"Accordingly, our own Universe may be the interior of a black hole existing in another universe." So concludes Nikodem Poplawski at Indiana University in a remarkable paper about the nature of space and the origin of time.

The idea that new universes can be created inside black holes and that our own may have originated in this way has been the raw fodder of science fiction for many years. But a proper scientific derivation of the notion has never emerged.

Today Poplawski provides such a derivation. He says the idea that black holes are the cosmic mothers of new universes is a natural consequence of a simple new assumption about the nature of spacetime.

Poplawski points out that the standard derivation of general relativity takes no account of the intrinsic momentum of spin half particles. However there is another version of the theory, called the Einstein-Cartan-Kibble-Sciama theory of gravity, which does.

This predicts that particles with half integer spin should interact, generating a tiny repulsive force called torsion. In ordinary circumstances, torsion is too small to have any effect. But when densities become much higher than those in nuclear matter, it becomes significant. In particular, says Poplawski, torsion prevents the formation of singularities inside a black hole.

That's interesting for a number of reasons. First, it has important implications for the way the Universe must have grown when it was close to its minimum size.

Astrophysicists have long known that our universe is so big that it could not have reached its current size given the rate of expansion we see now. Instead, they believe it grew by many orders of magnitude in a fraction of a second after the Big Bang, a process known as inflation.

The problem with inflation is that it needs an additional theory to explain why it occurs and that's ugly. Poplawski's approach immediately solves this problem. He says that torsion caused this rapid inflation.

That means the universe as we see it today can be explained by a single theory of gravity without any additional assumptions about inflation.

Another important by-product of Poplawski's approach is that it makes it possible for universes to be born inside the event horizons of certain kinds of black hole. Here, torsion prevents the formation of a singularity but allows a HUGE energy density to build up, which leads to the creation of particles on a massive scale via pair production followed by the expansion of the new universe.

This is a Big Bang type event. "Such an expansion is not visible for observers outside the black hole, for whom the horizon's formation and all subsequent processes occur after infinite time," says Poplawski.

For this reason, the new universe is a separate branch of space time and evolves accordingly.

Incidentally, this approach also suggests a solution to another of the great problems of cosmology: why time seems to flow in one direction but not in the other, even though the laws of physics are time symmetric.

Poplawski says the origin of the arrow of time comes from the asymmetry of the flow of matter into the black hole from the mother universe. "The arrow of cosmic time of a universe inside a black hole would then be fixed by the time-asymmetric collapse of matter through the event horizon," he says.

In other words, our universe inherited its arrow of time from its mother.

He says that daughter universes may inherit other properties from their mothers, implying that it may be possible to detect these properties, providing an experimental proof of his idea.

Theories of everything don't get much more ambitious than this. Entertaining stuff!

www.technologyreview.com...

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I remember him! AlienScientist commented that Poplawski's theory is similar to Haramein's.

Originally posted by Mary Rose

Poplawski is a research associate in the IU Department of Physics. He holds an M.S. and a Ph.D. in physics from Indiana University and a M.S. in astronomy from the University of Warsaw, Poland.

"Our universe at home within a larger universe? So suggests IU theoretical physicist's wormhole research."

Glad to see Poplawski's work being discussed by Technology Review.

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Yep. I remember he was discussed many pages back.

I was going to post it regardless, but then I remembered that he had a similar idea with Haramein.

The picture in the article is priceless, as well.

It shows the toroid geometrical structure of field lines going into the black hole.(which I think most depictions of black holes probably do... because of what we know of geomagnetics it makes sense)

Of course its a theoretical picture, but cool anyways.

Originally posted by beebs

Poplawski points out that the standard derivation of general relativity takes no account of the intrinsic momentum of spin half particles. However there is another version of the theory, called the Einstein-Cartan-Kibble-Sciama theory of gravity, which does.

"Standard derivation" of general relativity vs. another version of the theory? I've never heard of this. Huh?

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Yeah good catch... although I think we might be able to chalk it up to a semantical mistake? What do you think...

The author could have been implying the standard or mainstream version... without all the theoretical speculations upon relativity by more recent scientists.

Haramein says the same thing, as well as Dale Pond and many others.

I think spin and torsion and angular momentum is probably what causes 'mass', instead of something like the Higgs Boson.

Interesting thread here about this article from NYT:

A Scientist Takes on Gravity

Saying something along the lines of gravity being a result of entropy or something...

I am trying to make sense of it all right now.

Resources that I am starting with so far:
Introduction to Quantum Fields in Curved
Spacetime and the Hawking Effect by Ted Jacobson

The NYT article is about Erik Verlinde and this paper I believe:
On the Origin of Gravity and the Laws of Newton

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A related paper(I think):
Zero Point Energy: Thermodynamic
Equilibrium and Planck Radiation Law


So far I have just come across all of this... I haven't delved into any of it yet, but will be in the coming hours/days.

The NYT article is really where it starts.

this thread now

How about this opinion???:

Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation.
5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as "kooks", "right-wing", "liberal", "left-wing", "terrorists", "conspiracy buffs", "radicals", "militia", "racists", "religious fanatics", "sexual deviates", and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

Consider that these are "general" rules to include most cases.

Originally posted by Arbitrageur
It looks to me like Haramein is saying we are infinitely dense (or moving towards that). Perhaps those who believe him, really are?

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Yep

Lotta that goin on in this thread... It must mean we're onto something!

Thanks for stopping in, C-JEAN.

Have you had a chance to take a look at some of the discussions in the previous pages of this thread?

I'm sure you would enjoy reading some of it.

I came in late, but have been here for the long haul since.

Originally posted by Mary Rose

Poplawski points out that the standard derivation of general relativity takes no account of the intrinsic momentum of spin half particles. However there is another version of the theory, called the Einstein-Cartan-Kibble-Sciama theory of gravity, which does.

"Standard derivation" of general relativity vs. another version of the theory? I've never heard of this. Huh?

Originally posted by beebs
The author could have been implying the standard or mainstream version... without all the theoretical speculations upon relativity by more recent scientists.

Haramein says the same thing, as well as Dale Pond and many others.

I think spin and torsion and angular momentum is probably what causes 'mass', instead of something like the Higgs Boson.

Is the Higgs Boson as the cause of mass part of Einstein's theory of gravity?

Also, "spin half particles" doesn't sound right to me. Is "spin half" a type of particle?

Originally posted by beebs
this thread now

This thread being the "A Scientist Takes On Gravity" thread.

Interesting. From The New York Times article quoted in the thread:

Dr. Verlinde is among a number of physicists who say that science has been looking at gravity the wrong way and that there is something more basic, from which gravity “emerges,” the way stock markets emerge from the collective behavior of individual investors or that elasticity emerges from the mechanics of atoms.

Haramein's theory revolutionizes what gravity is, right?

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I see now that the Technology Review article uses the term "derivation" in relation to science fiction - having a "proper scientific derivation" of a science fiction notion:

The idea that new universes can be created inside black holes and that our own may have originated in this way has been the raw fodder of science fiction for many years. But a proper scientific derivation of the notion has never emerged.

Then this:

Today Poplawski provides such a derivation. He says the idea that black holes are the cosmic mothers of new universes is a natural consequence of a simple new assumption about the nature of spacetime.

Then the part about:

Poplawski points out that the standard derivation of general relativity takes no account of the intrinsic momentum of spin half particles. However there is another version of the theory, called the Einstein-Cartan-Kibble-Sciama theory of gravity, which does.

I was stunned that you decided to openly side with horowitz, find issues of minor importance to pick at with the thing i wrote, and disregard completely everything else I wrote without disproving it, but I will bow out of this conversation because It is obvious you have made up your mind and nothing I say can change that, but if you do change your mind or for anyone else interested -

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He's faking interviews to sell Oxysilver....
Horowitz made off with thousands of dollars of humanitarian aid for his own agenda...stole it from the owner...owner posted the invoice on the internet and the facts too. There is a notice of default posted on the internet that has all the correspondence

from The "OFFICIAL" Leonard Horowitz is a THIEF & ILLUMINATI Con-Artist

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The fact that there is a nationwide response to Horowitz located at the freeexchangeoncampus.org web site has gone a long way towards exposing him and his effort.

From - David Horowitz is a fraud

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Among his many other claims, Horowitz says he has a cure for skin cancer, C-Cure. "According to Len, it's nothing more than a 'skin cancer purgative'. Unfortunately, Horowitz doesn't have a clue about treating skin cancer, and anyone who buys into this method as a method of curing their lesions is making a mistake," according to HealthWatcher....
Nevertheless, Horowitz has his supporters. The Sovereign Orthodox Order of the Knights Hospitaller of St. John of Jerusalem honored Horowitz as a "Knight of Merit."

From - Skeptics Dictionary - Lenard Horowitz

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While Dr Horowitz was quick to alert people to the trickery of establishment medicine over its ‘management’ of the so-called SARS crisis, he has proved to be just as quick to see an angle in the SARS jamboree and is hoping to cash in on everybody’s fears with his own miracle ‘treatment’.

SARS Campaign for truth

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copy of Official warning issued to horowitz
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P.L.U.R.I
-B.M

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Originally posted by B.Morrison
I was stunned that you decided to openly side with horowitz, find issues of minor importance to pick at with the thing i wrote, and disregard completely everything else I wrote without disproving it, but I will bow out of this conversation because It is obvious you have made up your mind and nothing I say can change that, but if you do change your mind or for anyone else interested

Are you addressing me, B.Morrison?

I will digest the rest of your post when I have time.

I have not openly "sided" with Horowitz.

I think he is a mixture of good and bad, as we all are.

The important things are the issues we're all trying to come to grips with - one issue at a time.

Originally posted by B.Morrison

The fact that there is a nationwide response to Horowitz located at the freeexchangeoncampus.org web site has gone a long way towards exposing him and his effort.

From - David Horowitz is a fraud

This is the wrong Horowitz, is it not?

You took the quote from the comments section of the linked blog article. Did you read the article? What were you thinking?

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You have cited 4 other links.

1 - "The OFFICIAL" Leonard Horowitz is a THIEF & ILLUMINATI Con-Artist" leaves the word "THREAD" off - it's a Godlike Productions forum thread. I don't want to comment on this link.

2 - Skeptics Dictionary - this website says it is "A Collection of Strange Beliefs, Amusing Deceptions, and Dangerous Delusions" and it is the website of Robert T. Carroll, Ph D. He's a retired professor. He's criticizing Horowitz regarding a skin cancer cure.

I am of the opinion that mainstream medicine is dead wrong about cancer treatment. That's not a subject for this thread.

3 - "SARS Campaign for truth" is from a website called natural-health-information-centre.com. They're accusing Horowitz of cashing in on SARS fears.

What do they suggest for SARS?

4 - "copy of Official warning issued to horowitz" is from the website Casewatch - "Your Guide to Health Fraud - and Quakery-Related Matters."

This website looks very suspicious to me. It sounds like a Rothschild/Rockefeller cabal generated attack dog of anything or anyone who challenges mainstream, allopathic medicine.

Originally posted by Mary Rose

Originally posted by B.Morrison
. . . use a 528Hz beam of something to do it, so to suggest that a Hz beam used for destructive maintenance . . .

Originally posted by B.Morrison
. . . speaking of which I can't find the source, i thought I got that info from the acoustical society of america but I can't find anything relating to medical ultrasound or dna so I'm a little stumped...

Your first quote uses the word “beam” and the second one “ultrasound.” Were you thinking laser in the first quote?

I'm still looking for an answer to this question.

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i think it was ultrasound. if that is a laser than yes, but I can't really remember.. I've just finished a 12 hour shift @ work & I'm just not interested. I have a massive folder of research accumulated, one day when I get around to reading it again, maybe I'll post about it properly then.

lol @ david horowitz, I was in a hurry, like I said earlier you obviously have made up your mind already so I simply google'd 'horowitz scam' and quoted things that seemed relevant to the stuff I could remember from ages ago when I researched all this stuff properly the first time round, honestly it took like 10 min tops & I was paying very little attention to what I was doing.
so I hope the error is less confusing for you now.

Basically I think hes no good, a scam artist, a leech on society.
If you are interested in learning why maybe you should research it yourself.

last post - just to answer your question, as requested.

P.L.U.R.I
-B.M

[edit on 15/7/10 by B.Morrison]

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I would agree that everyone needs to do research themselves.

We should also be careful in the process and take responsibility for sharing accurately with others on the forum.

I see from an interesting website called Jain Mathemagics - Ancient Knowledge that Nassim will be on tour on the East Coast of Australia the end of this month to early August.

From this website:

Hi Everyone,

I am proud to announce that a great Sacred Geometry Teacher NASSIM HARAMEIN of Hawaii, is on an East Coast of Australia tour from end of July to early August 2010, initiated by Duncan Roads of Nexus Magazine. His main work is the bridging the Physics with the Metaphysics, carrying on where Einstein left, taking Buckminster Fuller's work to the next octave, stating that everything is a torus, from the proton, to the living cell, to the human, the planet earth, and even the sun etc. His recent analysis of Voyager's data from outer space reveals that sunspot acitivity or solar flares are not really "explosions" but rather "implosions" supporting the ancient metaphysical notion that one had to pass through the eye of the sun to get into the next galaxy or dimension.
Take a look at his website www.theresonanceproject.org
I, Jain, am only teaching with him once during his visit to Mullumbimby on Tuesday the 3rd August,
I have secured the Shearwater Steiner School as the venue.
My friend Jonathan Quintin, who I brought out and supported last year from New Zealand,
will be touring with Nassim, and giving exquisite video projections and geometrical animations.
Arrive at 6.30pm for a 7pm start, running till 10pm.
Regards, Jain 108



NASSIM HARAMEIN - AUSTRALIAN TOUR

Nassim is an extremely important soul on our planet right now, with theories that may well place him in Scientific History alongside Galileo, Newton, Einstein, Bohr, Plank, Maxwell and others.

Nassim Haramein has been turning heads for years with his very radical yet sensible thoughts on the Unified Field Theory. He has spent most of his life researching the fundamental geometry of hyperspace and studying a variety of fields including theoretical physics, cosmology, quantum mechanics, biology, chemistry, anthropology and ancient civilizations.

Combining this knowledge with a keen observation of the behavior of nature, Nassim discovered a new geometry array that he found to be fundamental to creation, and thus the basis for his Unified Field Theory emerged. His research has far reaching implications in a variety of fields including theoretical and applied physics, cosmology, biology, chemistry, sociology, psychology and archeology and has the potential to solve the most pressing issues of our times.