International Chemtrail Symposium May 29 2010

Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by OurskiesRpoisoned

 

Cool.

Here is the mission of the Department of Chemistry.

The Primary Mission of the department is teaching in order to empower cadets with the knowledge, skills, and values to make accurate technical judgments based on scientific principles to serve the Air Force and nation.

www.usafa.edu...

Your other link is part of a fictional Research Paper.

As per the disclaimer:

This report contains fictional representations of future situations/scenarios. Any similarities to real people or events, other than those specifically cited, are unintentional and are for purposes of illustration only. This publication has been reviewed by security and policy review authorities, is unclassified, and is cleared for public release.

csat.au.af.mil...

It also says this.

We express our appreciation to Mr Mike McKim of Air War College who provided a wealth of
technical expertise and innovative ideas that significantly contributed to our paper. We are also especially
grateful for the devoted support of our families during this research project. Their understanding and
patience during the demanding research period were crucial to the project’s success.

Are you suggesting the references are made up?

Originally posted by NichirasuKenshin

Originally posted by OurskiesRpoisoned


The time for talking is over. Colorado Springs is killing it's own. Passed through there two days ago, pulled off I-25 about 5 miles north of downtown, and took this shot. You can see downtown just above the date stamp.


[edit on 30-5-2010 by OurskiesRpoisoned]

And this has what to do with the pics of the book you posted? Care to connect those 2?

US Air Force Academy is in Colorado Springs. Jeez, do you even know what your arguing about?

Originally posted by OurskiesRpoisoned


US Air Force Academy is in Colorado Springs. Jeez, do you even know what your arguing about?

Yes... So what? Where in those documents do they talk about chemtrails in the sense that you are implying??

Your position seems to be that you are in possession of documents that prove that the USAFA is teaching how to spray chemtrails.

I have not yet seen a single sentence in the documents you posted that would lead me to believe that.

That there are clouds in Colorado Springs, well - to me that's a given. No need to argue there.

I asked you to connect the contents of the pics you posted with what you observed. I don't think the connection is obvious... enlighten me

[edit on 30-5-2010 by NichirasuKenshin]

reply to post by OurskiesRpoisoned


Nope, not at all.

They helped with technical expertise and innovative ideas.

[edit on 30/5/10 by Chadwickus]

Originally posted by NichirasuKenshin

Originally posted by OurskiesRpoisoned


US Air Force Academy is in Colorado Springs. Jeez, do you even know what your arguing about?

Yes... So what?

Well, on the way to Denver, the day before, I was south of Colorado Springs on Hwy 160 La Veta pass and snapped these shots.



The chemtrailing was extremely heavy all the way from Pueblo to Denver.

I snapped a picture of the clouds above downtown Denver that night.



The next day, Colorado Springs was covered in haze so brown and thick you could taste the metals in it.

The metals, studied in the Chemtrail document, you dig?

Originally posted by Chadwickus


OurskiesRpoisoned, maybe you'd like to email the author of the book (Dr. Donald Bird) that you have, he is still a staff member at the USAFA Department of Chemistry, in fact he is Deputy Head.

Please explain to the good folks reading this, how you know that Dr. Donald Bird wrote the book?

I have the document in hand, and do not know who the author is. Post to me where you are privy to this info.

reply to post by OurskiesRpoisoned


Uh......people made a big fuss in the past two days that the contrail that can be used as a baseline for chemical analysis was over a decade old. Now "chemtraierls" are pointing to studies from the 1970's.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander....

I've actually seen and read most if not all of the reports you list. The big problem is with the definition of the world "aerosol". It DOES NOT mean things that are "sprayed', nor even just anthropogenic aerosols.

Until "chemtrailers" understand this, you will just follow red herrings. And not really learn a thing, and continue to make assumptions instead of using facts.

reply to post by OurskiesRpoisoned


So where in your documents do they talk about spraying metallic particles to create cloud covers?

Again. My contention is that you are simply in possession of a 101 Chemistry Book like any other that is used in schools around the world.

Please reference the parts of the document that talk about "chemtrails" in the sense that you are implying. This is my 4th request for you to connect the contents of that textbook to the idea of chemtrail-spraying on a large scale. If it's so obvious why is it so hard for you to point out to me?

Again, I do not deny that there are clouds in Colorado. No point in arguiung that with me. To me, that is what your pictures of the sky prove.

reply to post by OurskiesRpoisoned


Nothing in aerosol form at flight altitude is going to be down to a level that effects your health for hours, days, or possibly never. What you show looks like an inversion, holding in fog/smog. And can in no way be proven to have come from flight altitude. Unless you tested the trails, hundreds of miles away, sometime yesterday and have tracked the same exhaust to your area.

I'm guessing you did not do this.

Originally posted by NichirasuKenshin
reply to post by OurskiesRpoisoned

 

So where in your documents do they talk about spraying metallic particles to create cloud covers?

It's in the Acid Rain section. Before I reveal my ace in the whole, I'm giving people within the government the chance to come clean.

Only by a revolt within the federal government can this thing end without a great deal of blood being shed.

If the US government wants to continue to lie to the citizens they serve, then their punishment will be most severe.

They can save themselves by exposing the truth. Let this be a warning.

Originally posted by stars15k
reply to post by OurskiesRpoisoned

 

Nothing in aerosol form at flight altitude is going to be down to a level that effects your health for hours, days, or possibly never. What you show looks like an inversion, holding in fog/smog. And can in no way be proven to have come from flight altitude. Unless you tested the trails, hundreds of miles away, sometime yesterday and have tracked the same exhaust to your area.

I'm guessing you did not do this.

You completely ignore my testimony that I tasted the metals in the atmosphere.

This is the problem with you people in the government. You believe no one on their word. It disgusts me.

reply to post by OurskiesRpoisoned


First picture oographic wave clouds. Clouds, well known and photographed and easily identifiable with a cloud guide.

Second picture, is hard to tell altitude (as in low, middle, high, not feet), from the angle of the shot. Looks like maybe a cloud billow is in front, with virga and wind. Also well known.
The first photo might have been contrails, but can be completely natural. The second picture I'm calling as totally natural.
Clouds would not be "brown and thick". That would be SMOG, a totally ground-level contribution. Show a contrails that is thick and brown and maybe your have a point...

reply to post by OurskiesRpoisoned


I am not "in the government". I'm a cloud-watcher and want to know what clouds I am looking at. I try to identify clouds like some do wild flowers or birds (although I an avid bird watcher, too).

It's called "Occam's razor". The simplest answer is usually the best. What you show has a natural, known explanation. Prove they are not clouds if you claim they are not.
It is not that I don't believe you, it's that what you say has a logical explanation, smog. Saying it all came from airplanes spraying is not provable without testing. Did you test? If not, you will have a hard time convincing anyone but a "chemtrailer" or a gullible newbie.

Originally posted by stars15k
reply to post by OurskiesRpoisoned

 

First picture oographic wave clouds. Clouds, well known and photographed and easily identifiable with a cloud guide.

Second picture, is hard to tell altitude (as in low, middle, high, not feet), from the angle of the shot. Looks like maybe a cloud billow is in front, with virga and wind. Also well known.
The first photo might have been contrails, but can be completely natural. The second picture I'm calling as totally natural.
Clouds would not be "brown and thick". That would be SMOG, a totally ground-level contribution. Show a contrails that is thick and brown and maybe your have a point...

Yes, I know that you have an answer for everything. Must drive the people around you nuts.

If you have every been to Colorado Springs, you would realize how completely uniformed your statement is claiming this is smog.

L.A. doesn't even have smog this bad on it's worse day. Your disinfo is getting old. You don't want to go on the ignore list.

Originally posted by stars15k
reply to post by OurskiesRpoisoned

 

I am not "in the government". I'm a cloud-watcher and want to know what clouds I am looking at. I try to identify clouds like some do wild flowers or birds (although I an avid bird watcher, too).

It's called "Occam's razor". The simplest answer is usually the best. What you show has a natural, known explanation. Prove they are not clouds if you claim they are not.
It is not that I don't believe you, it's that what you say has a logical explanation, smog. Saying it all came from airplanes spraying is not provable without testing. Did you test? If not, you will have a hard time convincing anyone but a "chemtrailer" or a gullible newbie.

You do not receive funds from the US government? Please, tell the truth.

Still waiting for Chadwickus to explain how he knows who the author is.

[edit on 30-5-2010 by OurskiesRpoisoned]

Originally posted by OurskiesRpoisoned


It's in the Acid Rain section. Before I reveal my ace in the whole, I'm giving people within the government the chance to come clean.

Uhm.. So basically you are saying that you have the evidence, but you won't show it, because you want to give the perps a chance to redeem themselves. We'll ok. Again- all you have is a textbook on 101 chemistry.

Question... What does acid rain have to do with the popular concept of chemtrails ? Are you implying that they are the same?
Or are you implying that they teach students at the USAFA about spraying chemtrails under the cover-name "acid rain"?

Acid Rain is in my chemistry textbook too. So I'm kind of confused.

Of course, you could just put your pics where your mouth is, but...I know.. redemption and all...

So just enlighten me. What's the connection between acid raid - a phenomenon acknowledged and well studied by aerial sciences (just like contrails...) - and the supposed large scale spraying of chemicals for cloud formation purposes? (not cloud seeding; chemtrailers usually insist that those are not identical)...

Is it so hard to explain? I was really curious.

One thing I would like to add that is not scientific, just wrong.

I like art, and "paint" on my computer. I use a lot of computer publishing programs.
The cover of what you show is handdrawn and not very well. No one in the government would release a publication that looks like what you present. It looks typed, not printed.
Those are red flags that this was not what you claim it was. While it was used enough (or at least the content was used) to warrant the catalouging it received, I think it was a private, amateur attempt at producing more of a study guide, or sub-course than an actual text.

I know this is my opinion, but can you think of anyother "modern" govermental document that looked like this? I can't. Someone made it, it was liked enough to make it available to all, so it was catalouged.
I've worked in school libraries and this type of thing happens. The only reason we have it is the school involved was a military one, and they keep everything.
Which also could explain the title: It was done tongue-in-cheek, and was used as an inside joke.

reply to post by stars15k


I think it is a legit chemistry textbook used at the USAFA. Isn't it usual for teachers to write their own textbooks in such institutions? Like to tailor it down for the students?

But I share your opinion; it is simply not what the OP makes it out to be. He now claims that the chemtrail part of the book is hidden in the "acid rain" section.

The only thing to connect this textbook to chemtrails is its title. As Chadwickus pointed out, it isn't that for off for a name for a chemistry textbook - especially when it is an introduction made for people that will have to have basic knowledge of atmospheric chemistry.

reply to post by sandwiches


I don't know if this 'chemtrails' is actually happening but funnily enough i watched this Film last night entitled 'Toxic Skies' and in that they were discussing chemtrails experiments... people in this Town were coming down with symptoms of the Plague!!

I have flagged your thread.

Originally posted by stars15k
One thing I would like to add that is not scientific, just wrong.

I like art, and "paint" on my computer. I use a lot of computer publishing programs.
The cover of what you show is handdrawn and not very well. No one in the government would release a publication that looks like what you present. It looks typed, not printed.
Those are red flags that this was not what you claim it was.

It's a course workbook. Your going on the ignore list. Good luck with yourself.