Simmons Says Obama Should Detonate Nukes to Seal Oil Leak;

reply to post by shmuu


you are not a NUCLEAR phisisist, nor am i. You just do not know.

reply to post by nite owl


I know enough about the thousands of nuclear tests that have been conducted on this planet to know it's not going to form a supervolcano of burning oil that destroys all life in the gulf.

reply to post by shmuu


Well, i hope you and all the others who want to nuke and radiate are right, because if your not, life on this planet will become pretty grim. DO NOT TAKE A CHANCE.

reply to post by Liberal1984


Do you really belive that most off it will go into space? Facts please. I may be wrong but I feel its going to have to be done right at the heart of the well, not the suface. I think the idear being that it will fuse the area. I.E glass parking lot. What has this to do with variable nuclear triggers. I am not trying to be rude but space????????

reply to post by shmuu


So tell me, how many of those NUKE tests were dropped on a vast pocket of oil? HMMMM, NONE. SHOW ME A LINK on that one.

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reply to post by nite owl


www.youtube.com...

Underground nuke in the gulf ??
Watch the ground in this video and think about this happening in
the gulf .

www.youtube.com...

[edit on 30-5-2010 by JTK69]

Here is a video of a contained underground nuclear explosion being used to destroy an out-of-control oil well, including an explanation of how it worked and will work again.

www.youtube.com...

I don't really like the idea blowing up the area. It's hard to predict the consequences, but the Russians have done this before.. actually 169 times !!(well, only 5 times for cases like the one we have now)
Anyway, I hope they'll find another way to stop the leak and prevent destroying the entire flora and fauna in the region.

Here some more info:

Yes! It’s so simple, in fact, that the Soviet Union, a major oil exporter, used this method five times to deal with petrocalamities. The first happened in Uzbekistan, on September 30, 1966 with a blast 1.5 times the strength of the Hiroshima bomb and at a depth of 1.5 kilometers. KP also notes that subterranean nuclear blasts were used as much as 169 times in the Soviet Union to accomplish fairly mundane tasks like creating underground storage spaces for gas or building canals.
These kinds of surgical strikes to shut off underground leaks, however, were carried out only five times, with the last one occuring in 1979. And there was only one misfire, near Kharkov, Ukraine, where a nuclear blast was unable to stanch a gas leak.

the full article is HERE

Originally posted by shmuu
reply to post by nite owl

 

I know enough about the thousands of nuclear tests that have been conducted on this planet to know it's not going to form a supervolcano of burning oil that destroys all life in the gulf.

And do you absolutely know that this well is not very near the fault line of a tectonic plate that is already in danger of a structural collapse due the void being left by the escaping oil that would cause the sea floor to crush it possibly setting it in motion and its brother the New Madrid fault which it butts up against conceivably causing something akin to the Great Lakes dumping into the Gulf of Mexico? Neither do I

(not directed at poster)
The Russians do this all the time? They say so right here in Pravda? you mean our "friends" the Russians and you read this in Pravda our Russian friends MSM. Most of us don't trust our own MSM let alone Russias. This is like a bad Twilight Zone rerun.

Lets work on cleaning up what has already been released and then lets continue to work on this relief well idea which has already been proven effective. I know its going to take time and I know what this means to the Gulf Coast, I live here for crying out loud but I refuse to cry over spilled milk, we don't have time for that, but this is also not the time to adopt an attitude of "lets do something even if it's wrong"

I'm concerned...

No need to say anything else because my opinion will NOT affect the decision.

reply to post by shmuu


I watched that video 3 times and not one mention of oil. That video is a hydrogen bomb test detonation PROJECT CANNIKIN. It showed men digging a 90 inch dia hole 5000 feet down and men going down there digging out an area at the bottom. SORRY, no bomb was detonated in or around an oil cavity. In the video a fenced off area by the water was air being pushed out here, so the men 5000 feet down had a fresh supply of air rushsing down the 90 dia tube. SHOW ME A LINK.

reply to post by shmuu


Dude, I understand that in theory it may be the quickest answer. This whole situation is devastating. But they are dealing in factors that they haven't encountered before. Everything they are doing, or everything they can think of is just a science experiment.

www.msnbc.msn.com...

Just listen to the segment with Michio Kaku. Too many unknowns. I know it is related to the "Top Kill" scenario only...but still unknowns.
He did mention calling in the military at some point, if they can't get it stopped though. haha.

Containing the radiation in the link you provided was good stuff. Was it an oil well though? Or just oil drillers, that dug a hole for the gov't. I missed that part.

They do need to get it stopped. If YOU can guarantee it would work, why aren't they doing it?

reply to post by Demoncreeper


It was an out of control oil well. The Soviet Union has plugged 5 such oil wells using that same method you saw in the video. A 6th one they screwed up and did non successfully stop the leak. Even assuming we haven't gotten any smarter since then (and we have), 5 out of 6 sounds like pretty good odds to me.

reply to post by shmuu


I seen the second video. I hope that the radiation is contained at that depth also. I still do not like the idea tho.

reply to post by N.of norml


Thanks for your reply and I would readily agree with your assesment of the situation. But to put in simpler english so that more may understand, I would be honoured to be granted the priviledge to point out a few concerns.

1. It is true that the top layer is porus, HOWEVER, do realize if that is so, then oil would have seeped out long ago. The truth is that there is a hard classed rock layer that had prevented it from doing so.

2. My proposal calls for a continual bombardment till it reaches this layer, and form the artificial sealing of that 5ft hole, using tnt instead of ridiculous nukes.

3. That drilled hole penetrated several more hundred feets through this classed hard rock depths, but we do not need to blow the hole all the way down. Only a few feet more till the 5 ft hole is collapsed upon and closed up. It is only a single opening from the source of oil to the surface.

4. Once we have covered up the hole, at least even with 80% sealed, there can be other options and time to cover up the balance 20%.

There is no longer time to waste. Each litre of oil that rushes out will cost planet Earth months if not years to maintain back the social and ecological balance. President Obama was reported to have had the best intellligent minds working on this issue recently, YET till today, no news was heard? What gives? Or was 'top kill' their 'best' idea??

reply to post by leo123


baaaad idee remember the meteor struck the gulf 65M years ago...
seabed is fractured .... big chance for total collaps off it...

reply to post by nite owl


I doubt you're alone. People hear "nuke it" and usually the first reaction is "woah, woah, woah, woah, hold up a second, slow down, what the f--- is wrong with you?"
It's just the nuclear nuts who've researched nuclear weapons (for some disturbing reason =P) that don't react that way because they know how well we understand nuclear explosions. That was the purpose of the more than 2,000 nuclear explosion tests that have been preformed in the last 65 years. At this point, we possess the necessary understanding to use nuclear explosions to perform precise tactical operations. We know how it will behave in all sorts of conditions and materials. Here's a really boring video on the development of the B61, a small nuclear bomb that we have tons of in the US Enduring Stockpile, ready for use. It has a "dial-a-yield" feature that allows precise control over how powerful the explosion will be. It's small, ready, and could be quickly deployed where needed.

Originally posted by ressiv
reply to post by leo123

 

baaaad idee remember the meteor struck the gulf 65M years ago...
seabed is fractured .... big chance for total collaps off it...

lol, I don't think we'll need to use quite that big of a bomb =P No worries.

[edit on 30-5-2010 by shmuu]

Originally posted by WWJFKD

(not directed at poster)
The Russians do this all the time? They say so right here in Pravda? you mean our "friends" the Russians and you read this in Pravda our Russian friends MSM. Most of us don't trust our own MSM let alone Russias. This is like a bad Twilight Zone rerun.

Don't get me wrong, I quoted only the info I needed, because I red about those tests in one book long before this event to happend, but I cound't remember the exact statistics, so I browse the Net.
That was one of the first results I got form Google Search.

So, about the Pravda, the "friends" and this kind of stuff, justi ignore it..

reply to post by shmuu


Thanks for the info on the nuke blast. I still do not like the idea anyways, something could go seriously wrong, why take a chance.