Driving under the influence~ of coffee!

Driving under the influence~ of coffee!

I was told that the cops can now arrest you for driving under the influence of coffee.

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I was just talking to a young friend who is attending DUI classes. She said they were told that the LEOs are now able to write us up for having too much caffeine in our system. Isn't this a bit like 'driving while black'? They now are pulling us over and searching us without cause. And the coffee drinking LEOs are writing us up for drinking coffee? Can it be any plainer? We are now not protected by the law, but they are above it, and using it to trample us. I like to be free, so I am leaving, ASAP.


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Well it's just hearsay right ???

I mean I've never heard anyone ever getting arrested for driving while caffinated.

Instead of waiting outside of bars and nightclubs they would make a killing hanging out around starbucks.

Technicaly caffeine is a drug, though it is a legal one. So I wouldn't worry too much about this premature hysteria.

Any drug - legal or not - that impairs your ability behind the wheel [or controls] of a mechanized vehicle - be it lawn mower, tractor, boat with a combustion engine, etc. - anywhere - be it on a roadway, on navigable water, in a field, on your private property, on your rooftop for that matter - is a crime. Well, at least in *my* state, and I believe in others as well though I cannot attest to that as fact.

Being a self-professed caffeine addict, I can state without a moment's doubt that I have been over caffeinated on several occasions, none of which *impaired* my physical or mental faculties. At worst I suffered the shakes, a racing heartbeat, and unsettled digestion. However, if someone were to be *impaired* by such a condition then it *would* be illegal for them to drive -- at least in my state.

reply to post by Geeky_Bubbe


To add on to your statement, any chemical change can impair driving abilities. Illegal as well as legal drugs can alter a persons mental states. When we take a look at emotions being chemical effect on the brain we can understand that our mental states can be altered by "normal" mean as well. For example, has anyone every been really mad or sad and operated a vehicle? These could be times when you have been mentally disturbed or angered. In these situations operating a vehicle could be similar to that of those operating a vehicle under the influence of drugs.

The human mind is a strange and complex concept to grasp onto.

reply to post by Gregarious

It says visit the link for the full article...where is the link?

Have you got any evidence at all anyone has ever been arrested for driving while caffeinated?

I remember one time I drank too much caffeine, but even then I think I could still drive safely and in fact my reaction times were probably quicker as a result.

So I understand what people are saying about being under an impaired influence of any drug while driving is illegal....that much is certainly true...I find it to be a stretch for caffeine to provide such an impairment, though perhaps not impossible. It would have to be a really extreme caffeine OD I suspect.

reply to post by IntastellaBurst


Sure, this is hearsay. If you want to call a class for DUI heresay. Specifically pertaining to the Power drinks with high caffeine for teenagers. But also reguarding just drinking coffee. You KNOW that they will arrest you if they can detect ANY level of alcohol, if you sip it, you can smell it, and they will bust you. I was told by a LEO that the laws are currently made so that they can pull you over and search you, for no reason. They use regulations that are ridiculous and every one always breaks them, so they can say it is for that. Like tires a certain distance from the wheel well, or license plate a certain dimension. It is a prearranged excuse. We are also supposedly protected for 'equal protection under the law'. So, all of us that are not just let off because we are bureaurats, lawyers, cops, or firemen, we are being discriminated against. By them creating a class of people that are above the law, they logically discriminate against all those they hold to the law. Go ahead, try fighting that discrimination in court. They are part of that group, and are not about to recind that benny. Face it people, we are lawless, but with the deceptive illusion that we have rights and law. The wise man sees the evil and hides himself.

Surely being high on caffeine is better than driving whilst tired.

What next??! Arrested for driving whilst too hungry?!

Driving without taking the proper nutritional & dietary requirments....

reply to post by Gregarious


WOW!

Firstly, there are bad cops, bad judges, bad juries, bad lawyers. There are bad in every profession and human endeavor.

Secondly, there is a problem in this nation of "criminalizing" the average person. One need only read Rosenzweig & Walsh's One Nation Under Arrest or Roberts & Stratton's The Tyranny of Good Intentions to understand the veracity of your basic premise... even if not the specifics.

But, ultimately, laws are *not* "suggestions". They are *laws*. If it is illegal to have tires outside of a pre-defined ratio... well... it's illegal. It may seem silly, but there are safety reasons, whether we believe there is an inherent danger or not.

There are any number of laws I find ridiculous, some I find onerous, and some I find out and out offensive, but that doesn't give me the right to ignore them. The society that I freely reside decided what laws would constrain my behaviors. If I find them that bad or if they get to the point where I can no longer abide their infringements, etc, I am perfectly free to move elsewhere. And, for the record, I've contemplated such on several occasions.



[edit on 29/5/10 by Geeky_Bubbe]

reply to post by Gregarious



Yes, that's what I would call hearsay, unless I see proof of anyone EVER getting arrested for this, .... that's all it is, hearsay.

They cannot arrest you for ANY level of alcohol in your system unless your under 21. You have to blow a .08 or higher on a breathalyzer, and even though laws are made to catch us up, we can also use them for our advantage if you know a little.

For instance, if you pass the field sobriety test, you are not required by law to even take a breathalyzer, and they cannot search your vehicle without probable cause or your permission.

and if they do, guess what ?? you can get whatever evidence they have against you thrown out of court. You can also get off for a multitude of other technicalities. Such as them forgettin to read you your miranda rights.

So laws can work against you, ... but they can also work FOR you !!.

Also remember, if your being a douche to a police officer you bet they'll find a way to arrest you even if they have to plant drugs on you.

Some mutual respect and kindness are more effective than any law.

Originally posted by IntastellaBurst
reply to post by Gregarious

 

they'll find a way to arrest you even if they have to plant drugs on you.
.

Hate to tell you, no I don't really, but these gangsters also place an unmarked gun, with no prints, in a plastic bag in their trunks. That way they can murder anyone they want, and plant the gun on them to show 'self defense'. Yeah, it's hearsay, from a cop!
I am courteous and respectful of anyone, unless they give me a clear reason not to. And I have never met a cop that failed to, and gave me a reason to believe he had any integrity. This is disturbing, as I know that they were hired to protect us from that type. But the bad ones now have the option of being a cop, and getting paid for their malfeasance. And we have to respect and honor them merely to get them not to take our lunch money? Hellooo?

[edit on 29-5-2010 by Gregarious]

I call Hoax

hoax

hoax

reply to post by baddmove


Hoax huh? Why don't you tell everyone that the sky is falling? I'll bet you are one of those outstandingly intelligent citizens who actually believe Baraq over his grandmother. So, the Constitutionalists are also all hoaxers? How about anyone who believes the Fed should not be stealing billions, or the banksters loaning out trillions that didn't previously exist? All hoaxers? And any conspiracy stories at all, simply hoaxers? What the sam hill are you doing on this site, if you can't think?

Originally posted by Gregarious

Originally posted by IntastellaBurst
reply to post by Gregarious

 

they'll find a way to arrest you even if they have to plant drugs on you.
.

Hate to tell you, no I don't really, but these gangsters also place an unmarked gun, with no prints, in a plastic bag in their trunks. That way they can murder anyone they want, and plant the gun on them to show 'self defense'. Yeah, it's hearsay, from a cop!
I am courteous and respectful of anyone, unless they give me a clear reason not to. And I have never met a cop that failed to, and gave me a reason to believe he had any integrity. This is disturbing, as I know that they were hired to protect us from that type. But the bad ones now have the option of being a cop, and getting paid for their malfeasance. And we have to respect and honor them merely to get them not to take our lunch money? Hellooo?

[edit on 29-5-2010 by Gregarious]

OMG!

WOW!

WTF!

OK, those are the least offensive expressions of my thoughts that I can manage without being sanctioned.

I have NEVER come across ANY officer doing, or prepared to do, what you stated. Perhaps there are former or current police that have done such, or were prepared to do such, and actually I don't doubt that there were/are... somewhere... just that they are the smallest minority and so far outside the norm as to be unequivocally an aberration.

I've already stated what is already well known: There *are* bad cops. Much to my dismay. There are bad in every profession or organization, whether you look to doctors, priests, ministers, politicians, actors, physicists, teachers, nurses, librarians, etc.

To paint ALL with the same criminal and morally repugnant stink because of something someone *said* says a great deal more about YOU than it does about police officers.

you cannot be arrested for having Bad Breath,

until such case when proved by way of testing that the amount of coffee/alcohol or any other substance you consume puts you over the required laws in force.

no laws are in place for excessively drinking coffee, and this alone cannot be tested by field sobrietry or breatherlizer units in place to show up as any sign of over the limit reading.


[edit on 29-5-2010 by redgy]

Originally posted by Geeky_Bubbe
Any drug - legal or not - that impairs your ability behind the wheel [or controls] of a mechanized vehicle - be it lawn mower, tractor, boat with a combustion engine, etc. - anywhere - be it on a roadway, on navigable water, in a field, on your private property, on your rooftop for that matter - is a crime. Well, at least in *my* state, and I believe in others as well though I cannot attest to that as fact.

Being a self-professed caffeine addict, I can state without a moment's doubt that I have been over caffeinated on several occasions, none of which *impaired* my physical or mental faculties. At worst I suffered the shakes, a racing heartbeat, and unsettled digestion. However, if someone were to be *impaired* by such a condition then it *would* be illegal for them to drive -- at least in my state.

Are you in California? Because my friend who just got arrested for a possible DUI told me the same thing.

It is preposterous. The entire law needs to be re-stated with specificity. This is why people get wrongfully accused, because laws are too vague.

It should be "any substance that impairs your ability to timely react"
Caffeine does the exact opposite. It magnifies your reaction time.

Well - if the stats are correct (just google them) - 80-90% of adults in North America are consumers of, or addicted to, caffeine. Which means so are the cops. I wouldn't worry about getting a ticket for over-consumption of caffeine... Lol.

Just further proof of the "change" Mr. Hussein promised us! Wasn't like this during the Bush years, back when a man was able to get free refills at the Qwikie Mart of his choosing, and no one said boo about it. I bet hat socialist elitist will soon outlaw any form of coffee that doesn't come out of a Starbucks cup!

reply to post by Gregarious


OH, please, this is either a complete hoax, or you have used the excuse 9of being over/coffied[more than likley over coc ained for a ticket

Your friend is pulling your leg.

Please tells us what LE department pulled your friend over - location, etc. This can easily be verified

Since alledged friend was alledged told this - please tell us what the cafeine limit is before your arrested

Id also LOVE to know how they test for caffeine out in the field.


[edit on May 29th 2010 by greeneyedleo]