A Nation Mesmerized: Can BP Plug the Gulf Gusher?

A Nation Mesmerized: Can BP Plug the Gulf Gusher?

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ROBERT, La. – As the nation remained transfixed by a busted oil well spewing millions of gallons of crude into the Gulf of Mexico, BP offered few details Saturday on its latest bid to plug the worst oil spill in U.S. history and scientists suggested any progress was incremental at best.

BP PLC spokesman John Curry said operations for the "top kill fix" continued Saturday, but he said he could not give a timetable for when the maneuver might be declared a success or failure.

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No matter anyone's particular thoughts, ideas, or suggestions of how it happened, who is responsible, or whether it happened, we can all agree on one thing.

This is a typical reaction via the bureaucracy of both BP PLC and the White House.

It has been weeks since this tragedy happened and we are just not seeing a quick enough reaction and or handling of an incident which will cripple our nation due to the marine life that is and will be killed off.

Not only that but the people who survive via that marine life to earn a living and with our economy already being in the toilet, this sure is not going to help the area previously ravaged by Hurricane Katrina either.

With the beginning of hurricane season coming in just a few days, one sure would think that BP PLC would be trying a lot harder, because when and if a hurricane hits the Gulf of Mexico, the change in pressure in the water, and storm itself, and the oil slick will not only make this disaster far worse, but it might very well make it impossible to clean up with any sort of efficiency.

This does mean of course that oil will be picked up with the water and thrown about in a potential hurricane and the winds will do with it what they will.

Sooner or later, these people will not only be responsible for damaging the marine life and economy of the areas currently affected, but for anything else a hurricane might do with their oil.

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[edit on 29-5-2010 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

As a person that is involved in this first hand I am appalled.

Earlier in the week the USCG came and took the spare boom we had here in Hancock County that was being used for spill boom maintenance.

I was supposed to go to Grand Isle LA today but the Local Government there along with BP turn down our request. So one of our Hazmat guys that has some family there is going to sneak in and get some samples off the beach and sneak some photos.

Hancock Co. not equipped to fight the oil

TPTB want this spill to hit land and ruin the coast.

Our Economy was hit hard by Hurricane Katrina but that kept us from being impacted by the Fed induced recession.

They know the South is awake to their games and will Fight if they push us too hard too fast.

They need this spill to kill the south's economy and drive up oil prices to curb the Patriot movement.

But they will fail. It will strengthen our resolve to remove as many of those corrupt bastards as we can.

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This disaster is horrible, and everyone knows that. the media keeps under reporting the massive implications of this spill. The Obama administration is putting on a show trying to make people think that they are doing everything possible to clean up this spill.

its one huge PR campaign when he's around. He is more concerned about his image rather than the spill itself.

This is a global catastrophe and little is being done to stop this mess. Get BP out of there, and send in scientists, biologists, etc and let them figure out the best way possible to clean up this spill. Whatever profits BP has been making should be siphoned for the cleanup and they should foot the bill 100%.

Ticks me off on how badly managed this spill is. Not to mention the Bureaucracy which should be dumped because this is a global emergency. screw paperwork, screw permits, etc. Just let them do what they need to do to fix this damn problem!

I posted a thread earlier today in regards to the Underwater sea life that will be contanimated by the oil plumes created by the mixture of oil and dispersant.

We probably won't know the extent of the damage for many many months to come.

Needless to say I don't think we can comprehend how bad it is and they will probably keep the real data hidden for a long time.

The only remaining question is who will be responsible and what kind of reprocussions will occur from the carelessness and lack of general concern among government agencies and BP.

~Keeper

If we are lucky and they don't go off and do something crazy like attempting to seal this thing with a nuke given it's potential vicinity to a fault line (big if) they are going to end up doing exactly what they did during Ixtoc - Relief wells

And folks it ain't gonna happen any time soon, best case estimations are months off all the while this cavern is forming where the oil used to be because they have not been able to pump brine into it as they would in a normal operation and God forbid if the pressure on that cavern gets too great to bear and it collapses.

What we need to do now is focus on cleaning up and more importantly attempting to stop what is heading in. Stop sinking the stuff for one. those booms are of little use with the stuff coming in underneath them. and put to work the 22,000 people they purport to have on the payroll, everyone knows about the people signing in in the morning and being sent straight home while still getting paid.

Stop positioning and trying to come out ahead here. there is no ahead here, there are only varying degrees of behind.

[edit on 29-5-2010 by WWJFKD]

I wish to hell our government or BP would allow a true manager go in and take charge. This is the problem, they do not even know how to go about making decisions.

I think either a military man with engineering background or a bigtime construction firm management specialist would be the trick.

Of course they do not have the specialization, that is why they are needed. The ability to delegate authority and expertise without worrying about hurt feelings.

I will not speculate on anything except the inability of anyone in charge to disseminate information. This is where they need the management specialist to come in. That is the main job of a management man, to get the information to the ones that need it.

This is standard government and their corporate whore doing their CYA routine.

This is just a big distraction, I bet once they've plugged it we'll get back to other things only to find out that our families are in detention camps run by shape-shifting Freemasons.

This whole thing has me really ticked off. I posted in another thread a link that will take you to the BP response site. At this site you can ask questions. I suggest we all keep doing that. I personally am still waiting for a response to my questions and will post them when and if I get a reply from them.

Here is the site.

Deepwater Horizon Response Site

I still believe that the government knows these plans are not going to work before they even begin them. I also think this thread made my point pretty obvious.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The fact that this has happened before, with most of the same 'fixes' in the same order shows me that they are prolonging this oil leak for some reason. My guess is they are going to turn it into some propaganda for an upcoming war. That is the only reason I can see they would allow their own country to get crippled in this manner.

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Distraction yes, but at who's direction? You may want to read my thread here:

B P and the Iran Connection - Was It Sabotage?

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[edit on 29-5-2010 by manta78]

I am not an expert...by any means, but whether thru luck or my dumb readings.."I'm addicted to old books"
I try to put into perspective tthat the earth narurally leaks more than the gulf .......by many times fold.

Like I said I am no expert, but everyone seems to be taking the sacrificial MSM bait..."so to say"....beware, my thoughts are slow, I'm Apaleachian American...
But I tend to think once we swallow the bait, they are going to set the hook and start realing us in real slow.

heres one of many links for natural seapage ammounts....
www.sodahead.com...

This thing is out of control, and the sad thing as one pointed out is the President seems more concerned about his image than a national crisis raising havoc on the Gulf Coast? It is a real sorry affair for all. Then, what makes matter worse, it seems BP may be slacking on their efforts as well? From rumors and innuendo about workers being sent home as they reach the work site, and a busload of temp workers to be used to make the President's latest visit rosier than it should have been. Perhaps, BP is trying protect their reputation as well. According to many locals, work that needs to be done is not being done, or is being refused when ideas and assistance are being offered. It is either a result of bureaucratic red tape among the many agencies of the Federal Government or complete and utter ineptness to the severity of this problem.

To put things into perspective, I saw images of this slick from space! That ought to make the Government, Media, and BP respect the severity of this disaster. This is not some isolated incident to put on the back burner to focus on other things. Every resource at the government's disposal ought to be utilized to solve this problem. Moreover, the President ought to pack his travel bag and remain down in the Gulf Coast region until a satisfactory conclusion can be reached on this disaster. We have learned the country can be run from other locations, one example comes to mind, and that was with President Bush and his frequent trips to Crawford, Texas. A crude example, but an example non-the-less. If the President wants to prove the naysayers wrong about his leadership chops then this is a match made in heaven. However, he seems to have priorities placed elsewhere, and the perception of ineptness is utterly appalling! This may very well be Obama's Katrina?

Why is the ineptness and trickery of BP being allowed by the Federal Government in the first place? Perhaps, it is because the Obama Administration is fearful of taking over the response efforts to shield themselves from potential failure? It is probably easier for them to allow "Big Oil," to fall on their sword instead of themselves?

One way or another, it seems the politicians will find a way to profit off this tragedy. Here is what I mean, we are hearing talks by senators, Joe Lieberman (I) Conn. and John Kerry (D) Mass., about bringing up that mess known to everyone as Cap and Trade. Then we have congress kicking around the idea of overburdening taxes on oil, and we all know who is going to get pinched for that and that is the consumer. We know the oil companies are going to offset that loss on the consumer as they always do. So, this appears to be a win win for the government? They get to steamroll another unpopular agenda into public consciousness and acceptance, and an opportunity for more tax dollars to be spent on programs only they know where.

Sadly, its the American people who are going to lose on this one, which seems to be the going trend lately? I am appalled at what is going on in the Gulf Coast and it appears the Gulf Coast is slowly becoming the rear-end of the United States to put it nicely. What a shame for the people who have to live down there and subsist on the tourism, fishing industry, and other economic spoils the gulf offers to people of that region. This thing looks to be long from over, and I have a feeling this "Top Kill," solution will go down in the history books as another miserable failure. We know how serious this matter is, and I know the people of the Gulf Coast do as well. This could be President Obama's Waterloo, and his supporters in the House and the Senate? One way or another, someone has got to answer for this and be held accountable.

I don't post much, but here is what is really going on at the GOM.

Take it for what it's worth, I have a friend that works pretty high up with the EPA and found out some details a few days ago that most people don't know.

1. As some of you have figured it out, there is only one good solution to this leak and it is to drill the relief wells. Unfortunately, that takes a few months to do and that is not what the average Americans want to hear. BP and Obama knew this from the beginning. The Dome, top kill, junk shots are all things that will not work, but they have to be done so that the average joe thinks that something is being done to stop the leaking.

2. Why is it that the US Coast Guard and BP are limiting access to beaches? There are a couple of reasons. First, they really don't want your average joe to see how bad things are. According to my friend, there are some areas where dead tons of dead sea life has been washing ashore plus there are other areas where the oil is very thick at the beaches.

Secondly and most importantly, my friend tells me that the toxicity of the air and touch to the oil has been extremely underreported. The reason why these fishermen are not being hired on to help with the cleaning is because BP doesn't want these people to become the GOM version of the first respoders for 9/11 where many of them got really sick and died. These people that are cleaning up and smelling the chemicals that are involved are really jeopardizing their lives. At the end, it's not a conspiracy to destroy the wetlands, the govt and BP just don't want thousands of people dying because they were helping with the clean up effort.

If you combine what I have written above, it does a little to explain why things look so bad at the GOM. The sad reality is that this leak will go on for a couple of months before the relief wells are drilled.

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I concur with everything you have said - it is completely in line with what I have been hearing and it sounds like they have scrapped this asinine nuke idea thank God.

I can give you all kinds of pictures of dead fish if you are into that - there are plenty.

The way I see it.

The oil is bad enough but at least it is natural. Lets disband all this COREXIT nonsense. Sinking the oil is serving no purpose other than to attempt to downplay this thing. Too late guys - the proverbial cat is out of the bag.

This thing has to be stopped from coming on shore any worse than it already has. The booms are much more effective when the oil is floating near the top of the water. BP needs to step up to the plate and get the people the necessary HAZMAT equipment to protect these people - myself included. Because sooner or later the fine people of the Missiana Gulf Coast are gonna get out there and do it them selves and the resultant lawsuits will be far worse than anything BP could imagine if they just bucked up in the first place.

Excellent post - thank you for your contribution and the courage of your friend to share that information.




[edit on 29-5-2010 by WWJFKD]

The top kill didn't work. The ROV's have cut off the bent over pipe (riser) that was shown on their camera leaking out of 4 places and another semi-submersible drilling rig is slowly making its way to position over the well, they will then lower another BOP on top of this faulty one. I can see the drilling rig slowly inching over there. It is doing just over 1 knot. This new development hasn't been released to the MSM yet.

[edit on 29-5-2010 by Just Wondering]

I posted this another thread...if I did not think it a decent question I would not repost this here

Ok, so there are now huge blobs of oil, oil that is mixed with toxic dispersants. Might it be possible for one of these 'huge blobs' to get drawn to the surface, get picked up as sea spray or a waterspout.. and then.. in a flash of lighting, we might be activating the technology used to produce a FAE Fuel Air Explosive... the Feds cant talk about FAEs they are classified.

It may have been an FAE from the fuel oil MIST from the first fertilizer explosion.. a second later that collapsed the front of the Federal Building in OK - the oil soaked fertilizer just broke the windows to let the mist in...BOOM!

Imagine a 'plume' sucked up by a waterspout during a lighting storm...perhaps a math wiz could work out the potential TNT equivalent released during that blast... how far might that shockwave go?

The blob is the gas tank, the hurricane is the carburator, and lighting completes ignition...

BP Oil Plumes + Hurricane = Air Fuel Explosive?

A poster from the South suggests this was intentional.. The recent troubles at a north sea rig run by Norway would suggest then tampering at another rig to make it look like this was a natural event...

Because if this was not choreographed by man, earth is changing before our eyes as hydrate pressures go up in different parts of the world... or did they know it might be uncontrollably high at the BP site?

I have a slight concern about feeding such a volume of petroleum volatiles into a vortex compressor.. (Hurricane) and then have a lighting strike. (Ignition)

FAE's are the most powerful blast producers per Kg of fuel outside of Nuclear.

Might such a blast wave be strong enough to crack the ocean floor of the gulf?

[edit on 29-5-2010 by seataka]

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The Russians have killed several out of control wells with limited yield nuclear devices. Everyone needs to get over the fear of using a nuke to seal the thing off. We need to call in the Russian experts that have done it before and get the thing sealed off.

A nuke will melt rock and crush enough of the well to seal it off and stop the flow. I think the risk of doing that is a lot less than what will be the result of all the feeble minded bumbling that is going on now.

reply to post by Just Wondering

That would explain why it looks worse today and why they are no longer showing the BOP. Thanks for posting this info, Just Wondering. Can you give a source for that information?

Originally posted by expat2368
reply to post by WWJFKD

 

The Russians have killed several out of control wells with limited yield nuclear devices. Everyone needs to get over the fear of using a nuke to seal the thing off. We need to call in the Russian experts that have done it before and get the thing sealed off.

A nuke will melt rock and crush enough of the well to seal it off and stop the flow. I think the risk of doing that is a lot less than what will be the result of all the feeble minded bumbling that is going on now.

I feel you I really do but consider the seismic event that was felt by every seismograph in the US at the same time. It was particularly strong in Florida and China of all places. Something happened at a very deep depth.

Then we have to look at this information and some of the research of Jack Reed a geophysicist with Texaco in New Orleans at the time.



We got another thread going around about the location of the actual gusher and if correct it comes dangerously close to Jack Reeds missing tectonic plate. Jack Reeds (theoretical) plate butts up against the New Madrid Fault line.

Then you have Gordon Michael Scallions future map of what he believed the US would one day look like. Yeah he's pretty far out there but just between you and me I'd rather not chance it.



If Reed was right there is already a danger that the sea floor may crater due to the gap left by the escaping oil and set that plate in motion.

None of this amounts to a conclusive body of evidence but I think we need to err on the side of caution here with this one and just keep going forward with this relief well.