North Korea warns it will meet war with 'all-out war'

Originally posted by Silcone Synapse
Now I don't know how accurate the info is,but if it is anywhere close to the truth,any war would be devastaing for all concerned.

Give it a read:

rense.com...

That's not good news if true. I sincerely hope that guy is not a reliable source of information.

Originally posted by CanadianDream420


They did well back in the 50's, sure they had Chinese assistance, but even with ultimited American planes flying over head day and night they still put up a fight for years...

Remember, from birth, they are FORCEFULLY told that Americans raped and tortured all there woman and children and do not have internet or even international TV to tell them the difference. Most cannot wait for war.. It's what they want.

They did do well in the 50's,and they have been building their defences ever since,yes,with Chinese help.

According to the article I posted earlier(rense,so don't know how accurate it is)The DPRK have been quietly tunneling away for decades,in an effort to counter the otherwise overwhelming munitions of the USA.

rense.com...

The Russians have recently said they need better proof of what destroyed the SK ship-In other words they do not buy the official explanation...they have probably learned of the possibility that the torpedo was German made.

They won't take sides without concrete proof.

That,or they do not want to piss China off.Or Both.

What you said about the indoctrination of the people in North Korea is right on the mark-watch any number of films about NK,and its amazing the apparent love the people hold for their Dear leader.
Many of those who declare total love and obidience to kimmy have had family members sent to his death camps-yet they still declare they love him.

Total fear/god like worship.
Totally brainwashed,poor people.

Some say we have it bad in the developed world in terms of government control and corporate/TV brainwashing,but when you look at our situation compared to NK,we have got things pretty good IMO.

If there were ever a people who should be helped,it is those under the rule of Mad Kimmy IMO,although it may take generations to change their mindset,for it is so deeply cut into their identity.




[edit on 27/5/2010 by Silcone Synapse]

like canada mentioned alluded to somewhat, North Korea is more than capable of "all out war" perhaps you dont understand what "all out war" means.

some numbers:
Active Military Personnel: 1,170,000 [2008]
Active Military Reserve: 4,700,000 [2008]
Active Paramilitary Units: 189,000 [2008]

ARMY
Total Land-Based Weapons: 16,400
Tanks: 3,500 [2006]
Armored Personnel Carriers: 2,500 [2006]
Towed Artillery: 3,500 [2006]
Self-Propelled Guns: 4,400 [2006]
Multiple Rocket Launch Systems: 2,500 [2006]
Mortars: 7,500 [2006]
Anti-Aircraft Weapons: 11,000 [2006]

NAVY
Total Navy Ships: 708
Merchant Marine Strength: 167 [2008]
Major Ports and Harbors: 12
Aircraft Carriers: 0 [2008]
Destroyers: 0 [2008]
Submarines: 97 [2008]
Frigates: 3 [2006]
Patrol & Coastal Craft: 492 [2006]
Mine Warfare Craft: 23 [2006]
Amphibious Craft: 140 [2006]

AIR FORCE
Total Aircraft: 1,778 [2006]
Helicopters: 612 [2006]
Serviceable Airports: 77 [2007]
globalfirepower.com...

There is no other country as tightly controlled and as brainwashed as North Korea, again just as canada mentioned above. in the 50's they did just fine by themselves for abit then the chinese came in with help and we ended up where we are at today. I think its is quite evident in todays world that modern armies arent as invincible as many of you seem to think. were still fighting the taliban arent we? the russians are still fighting the chechens arent they? If your soldiers have the will power and fortitude to take the fight on then it can at times more than make up for the material and technological disadvantages. North Korea isnt Saddam's Iraqi Army.. Arabs are notoriously bad fighters, the koreans on the other hand have a history of being tough, sturdy fighters.

Between 1592 and 1598, Japan invaded Korea, but was eventually repelled due to the efforts of the Navy led by Admiral Yi Sun-sin, and other forces of resistance. In the years 1627 and 1636, Joseon suffered invasions by the Manchu Qing Dynasty.

Beginning in the 1870s, Japan began to force Korea out of China's sphere of influence into its own. In 1895, Empress Myeongseong was assassinated by Japanese agents.[3] In 1897, Joseon was renamed the Korean Empire (1897-1910), and King Gojong became Emperor Gojong.

Nevertheless, In 1905, Japanese forced Korea to sign the Eulsa Treaty making Korea a protectorate, and in 1910 annexed Korea, although neither treaty was considered to be legally valid.[4] Korean resistance to the Japanese occupation was manifested in the widespread nonviolent March 1st Movement of 1919. Thereafter the Korean liberation movement, coordinated by the Provisional Government of the Republic of Korea in exile, was largely active in neighboring Manchuria, China and Siberia.

With the defeat of Japan in 1945, the United Nations developed plans for a trusteeship administration by the Soviet Union and the United States, but the plan was soon abandoned. In 1948, new governments were established, the nominally Capitalist South Korea and Communist North Korea divided at the 38th parallel. The unresolved tensions of the division surfaced in the Korean war of 1950, when North Korea invaded South Korea.

en.wikipedia.org...

Intense video.. o.O

[edit on 27-5-2010 by TheCoffinman]

The Coffinman just pretty much confirmed what it states in the Rense article from another source.Which is scary IMO.

reply to post by Chris McGee


I have found one more which is a commentary on what -Han Ho Suk has said,the diector of Korean affairs.
Again,its grim reading.
This one from 2003:

[What follows is the abstract to a piece written by Han Ho Suk, Director for the Center for Korean Affairs. It is currently featured on Korea WebWeekly. Part I was published on April 25, 2003.]

2. North Korea's Massive Retaliation Strategy
North Korea's war plan in case of an US attack is total war, not the 'low-intensity limited warfare' or 'regional conflict' talked about among the Western analysts. North Korea will mount a total war if attacked by the US. There are three aspects to this war plan.

First, total war is North Korea's avowed strategy in case of US preemptive attacks.

Second, North Korea expects no help from China, Russia, or other nations in case of war with the US. It knows that it will be fighting the superpower alone. Nominally, China and Russia are North Korea's allies but neither ally is expected to provide any assistance to North Korea in case of war. Neither nation can or is willing to protect North Korea from attacks by the US, and North Korea alone can and will protect itself from US attacks. This principle of self-defense applies to all nations.

Third, North Korea's total war plan has two components: massive conventional warfare and weapons of mass destruction. If the US mounts a preemptive strike on North Korea's Yongbyon nuclear plants, North Korea will retaliate with weapons of mass destruction: North Korea will mount strategic nuclear attacks on the US targets. The US war planners know this and have drawn up their own nuclear war plan. In a nuclear exchange, there is no front or rear areas, no defensive positions or attack formations as in conventional warfare. Nuclear weapons are offensive weapons and there is no defense against nuclear attacks except retaliatory nuclear attacks. For this reason, North Korea's war plan is offensive in nature: North Korea's war plan goes beyond repulsing US attackers and calls for destruction of the United States.

www.asianresearch.org...

Thing is,I still do not know if Han Ho Suk of the Center for Korean Affairs is a legit source,or a NK propaganda mouthpiece.

I hope(but doubt) he is the latter,otherwise massive loss of life could occur in any dust up between the Koreas and US.



[edit on 27/5/2010 by Silcone Synapse]

reply to post by Unium


Something has told me to look out for the 3rd July... maybe this is the day things will kick off...

reply to post by TruthxIsxInxThexMist


The 3rd of July ? Any particular reason for such a specific date =) ?

reply to post by Unium


Imagine how the levelling of Seoul would go down on the 4th of July,America's independence day...(day after an attack on the 3rd)

MSM mind riot,sudden geopolitical changes,WAR-just like 911.

Damn,lets hope that does not happen again.

Our whole species need to rethink the concept of wars IMO,for soon we may not survive to regret it.

And I ain't no hippy.

NK has been breeding and training their massive military for quite some time. They have been obsessed with war preparation. They are not to be trifled with.

Don't believe the Western media when they depict North Korea as a country of peons. Parts of the country is starving because they have spent massive amounts of money on their military machine. I for one am worried if anything breaks out.

There is allot that we don't know about their capabilities. It would be stupid to underestimate them when we have no idea of exactly what we are up against.
This is a very determined and merciless opponent.

We need to take a back seat on this.

I'm gonna be short and sweet on this one:

Kimmy is seriously the biggest baby I have ever seen! It's like a 10 year old kid who has control of a whole country, and when he doesn't get his way he throws a hissy fit.

I mean, seriously!

And all of those civilians in his country - how brainwashed they must be.

Ridiculous. Kim should be ashamed of himself.

And if you're going to do something, friggin do it already.

- Don't talk about it - BE about it.

Originally posted by Oneolddude


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Just referring to the photos you posted,Those girls look like they could kick some ass as well as looking pretty hot.The generals in second picture ,How old are they?look about 60 maybe 70 years old , how can you get so many medals without going to war,to young for Korea vs korea 56 ?Second from left looks like Kims double.

reply to post by 12voltz


Hang on,the guy with the most medals(middle of the3generals) looks supiciously like Mad Kimmy-but hes also in the picture,at the right.

You notice that?

Is that a double or is THAT the real kimmy?

Weird.

[edit on 27/5/2010 by Silcone Synapse]

A lot of people are forgetting two crucial aspects of war with North Korea -:

- They are widely believed to have one of the largest stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons on the planet.

- Even more importantly the Korean Peninsula is an incredibly harsh terrain to fight a war on. Most of the land is mountainous and uneven. Freezing winters to intensely humid summers (think "The Pacific" to anyone watching it and you get an idea). The middle-east wars at the moment are nearly perfect battle conditions (clear visibility most days and nearly always the same weather).

Now don't get me wrong with the full force of SK and the US bearing down on NK they WOULD fall... but what a bloody war it would be. Furthermore it would not be swift (the idea of days to weeks is comical), it would take months at-least without Nuclear Weapons.

reply to post by jonny2410


Excellent points you bring up. No doubt in my mind that the South with the assistance with the U.S would be victorious in an all out war with the NOrth. However With conventional weapons, and even with all the technological advancements the U.S military has at there disposal. In Order to secure a country you need boots on the ground and as jonny2410 stated the terrain alone would make it difficult and take time to round up all the factions dug in the mountains.

reply to post by jonny2410


wow the way you described the land reminded me of good old west virginia here. anyways yea i dont know if we should underestimate them

By the way.... NORTH KOREA JUST VIOLATED THE ARMISTICE ONCE AGAIN.

Here

N. Korea has brought anti-aircraft guns into their guard post inside DMZ in Cholwon area, and deployed them, according to a report.

Military authorities said that they observed N. Koreans brought in 14.5mm heavy anti-aircraft guns(quad) to their guard post in Cholwon area on May. 25.

They said that it is a violation of Armistice Agreement which bans heavy weaponry inside DMZ, and they are monitoring it carefully.

Totally no big deal eh? Violation after violation after violation.

So all the reports saying that there was no military hardware/troops movement was just debunked by this report.

If this is going on, WHAT ELSE IS GOING ON?

reply to post by Vitchilo


Wow well the truth seems to be seeping out. Now i am not backing NK at all but i remember them basically stating last May that the armistice was over. Having said that its still quite a step.

reply to post by Unium


No specific reason.... i just had this flash which i get from time to time... sometimes things happen, sometimes they don't when i get a specific date!! Very weird but its all i got...

reply to post by Tnewguy


Iraq? Iraq hadnt any thing bigger than a firework in comparison with its enemies, and never got to deploy even those pathetic measures before the bulk of its regular army was destroyed , imprisoned , or conscripted into the new regime. Hell , in my country we are still trying to get some answers about how it came to be, that we went to war on the pretext of the presence of weapons that Iraq DID NOT HAVE !
And Afghanistan ? Are you kidding me ? Their ONLY method of effective attack is getting a man and a device into the heart of thier enemies! They dont have ANY standard military ability whatsoever. Thats not how they do business! The ONLY people who should have been fighting EITHER of those wars, are intel operatives, not wave after wave of Brits and Americans with wives and families, and lives to live. The only effective tactics that either Iraqi or Afghanistani war fighters have, is to seed thier homelands with IED, and hide or run. Thats ALL they have. To mention them as an effective battle force, with actual strategy is RIDICULOUS!
ALL either warfighting group have, is the advantage of local knowlege and small cell based groups, hard to eliminate the entire network when only small elements are exposed at one time after all . That works for them , and against our troops, sure enough its a deadly combo for men on the ground in the battlespace. But in terms of what US and UK citizens see in terms of terror attacks, the ONLY difference that can be made to those numbers, comes from better intelligence, and intel is best gathered by agents , not battle groups. Its ALWAYS been that way , and it always will be.
North Korea on the other hand, has a military establisment which has a MASSIVE ego. They will fight with military tactics, and yes, they could do damage. Theres NO fighting force on earth that is totaly incapable of causing damage to an enemy, BUT because they have a regimented military structure in NK, they will be far easier to predict for a half decent military strategist, than the small mobile cells of the taliban . From a tactical point of veiw, they will be sitting ducks in comparison to the moving target presented by terror groups.

reply to post by CanadianDream420


Sorry that was badly worded. Britain and the US may still have many men available , but I doubt that a significant force of men and machines would be delivered by either because of the fronts already being fought on.
Russia and China can do an awful lot , but considering that the chinese own bad debt from America, it doesnt make sense for them to assist people in damaging what amounts to machinery and men they now own by debt.

Originally posted by Chris McGee

Originally posted by Silcone Synapse
Now I don't know how accurate the info is,but if it is anywhere close to the truth,any war would be devastaing for all concerned.

Give it a read:

rense.com...

That's not good news if true. I sincerely hope that guy is not a reliable source of information.

Reading that made me laugh...it's a bit like "that guy over there is gonna try and swing at me, but I'm gonna duck and throw an uppercut if he does"...next thing you know, the guy is lying on the ground for being an idiot.