Chemtrailers: Your time is NOW!

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

How about for the general well being of people everywhere? Wouldn't you rather be certain that the information you disseminate is actually factual before we end up with countless drones believing paranoid nonsense?

I haven't disseminated any information at all in this thread, false or not. If you have seen me do so, by all means pull me up on it.

But yes, all in all, I am thinking of the well-being of people everywhere.

[edit on 28/5/10 by GobbledokTChipeater]

Originally posted by GobbledokTChipeater
I don't understand why anybody has to "prove" anything. I don't understand why I have to prove my side or produce something concrete.

Maybe you'd like to so that you can know conclusively that the things you believe in are fact. Otherwise you're operatin on a faith based notion with paranoid overtones. This cannot be healthy for anybody.

reply to post by GobbledokTChipeater

No, I'm saying they lack the credibility to do it unbiased. Of course they would say, no matter how random the test they do would be, that the anonymous "they" just made sure no one was spraying.
I have my own paranoid delusion that these shills actually HAVE performed the tests many times and have never been able to produce the results they want so have not published them. And that they have done all kinds of tests, rejecting all unfavorable results for years. To publish results would defeat their purpose and bring an end to their chosen occupation.

Your argument throughout the thread has been "science cannot disprove "chemtrails" so they most likely, very possibly, could be real". Such a premise is closing your mind to the facts, although you I'm sure think that you have an open mind because you hold out the possibiliity. Facts are available that have never proven any aspect of "chemtrail" theory. Not supposition, not suspicion, not speculation, real facts.
You choose to believe, I choose to know. There is a big difference.

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Maybe you'd like to so that you can know conclusively that the things you believe in are fact.

How do you know what I believe? And how do you know what is healthy for everybody (anybody)?

Originally posted by Chadwickus
Since the chemtrail debate (or argument) seems to have picked up, I thought I would share a study conducted on aircraft contrails and discuss the results of this study.

Firstly, a link to the study (pdf):

www.coas.oregonstate.edu...

The article makes for good reading and explains how and why contrails form.

SOOT

5.2% of the sample consisted of soot particles.

fairly obvious as to why soot was found coming out a jet engine.

Soot-Harmful to humans

The tiniest bits of airborne soot from vehicle exhaust, power plants and industries have the potential to affect global climate and take a much bigger toll on human health than previously thought, according to a new study by researchers at Carnegie Mellon University

Read more: www.post-gazette.com...

METALS

Metals found consisted of Iron, Chromium and Titanium and made up 12% of the samples collected.

All three of these metals can be found in components of aircraft engines, so again, nothing out of the ordinary.

12%!! So twelve percent of that crap in the sky is heavy metal, which is poisonous to everything, especially at the nanosize. Imagine all the lung issues, blood poisoning, cancers being caused from this.

How could one possibly downplay 12% metals??

METALS (MIX)

As the above graph states, the mix indicates sulfur was found amongst the three metal particles.

Sulfur is used in jet fuels to help with lubricity, as a side note, many groups are pushing for fuels which contain little to no sulfur in them due to environmental concerns.

More metals?? Yuk!! They took the time to do samples, but they can figure out what is in the mix. Some metals can be EXTREMELY expansive.

With all the metals coming out of the engine, it's amazing they even stay put together!

UNIDENTIFIED VOLATILES

Many of the unidentified volatile particles contained carbon peaks with areas at least 2-3 times above background noise level, suggesting that these were organic compounds.

Volatile can mean many things. Some are dangerous to humans. The study "suggests" organic? Oil is organic, and now, thanks to the gulf spill, we realize that oil contains benzene, which is very hazardous to everything.

UNIDENTIFIED NON-VOLATILES

Unidentified non-volatile particles often had small amorphous shapes, which could be soot, or large angular planar shapes, which could be silicates (which could not be positively identified since the grids were SiO coated).

Silicates. So we're breathing tiny pieces of glass?? No wonder asthma, and respiratory diseases are going through the roof!

And again, why can't they identify everything??

MINERALS AND MINERALS MIX

Minerals found consisted of Sodium, Aluminium Potassium and/or Iron and made up 20% of the samples collected, the mix again contains sodium in the particles.

These minerals are all crustal in origin.

 

Sodium? No wonder the govt wants us to eat less salt. Ever seen anything grow on the salt flats?

Aluminum? It's not a metal?? Like to breath aluminum? Don't they put that in chaff?

Potassium. To much (chronically) is detrimental to the thyroid. Makes people fat and depressed.

And still, the study doesn't address the effects of all these metals oxidizing (rusting) when they hit the atmosphere. It's what creates acid rain.

Thanks for proving that CHEMTRAILS exist!!





[edit on 28-5-2010 by OurskiesRpoisoned]

Originally posted by stars15k

Such a premise is closing your mind to the facts...

Which facts? The ones that show what was in the exhaust of two different jets 12 years ago?

Or the ones that say that yes, contrails can occur?

Because I'm not refuting any one of those...

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by GobbledokTChipeater
reply to post by stars15k

 

Yes but nobody's saying that all contrails are chemtrails. Therefore, even if some contrails have been tested, it proves nothing.

It proves the composition of contrails. Now chemtrail enthusiasts have a baseline by which to compare suspected chemtrails. That is, should someone take the initiative to do the testing. Note: should this happen we'd have to rule out known expulsions from aircraft such as military chaff, cloud seeding, cropdusting, fuel and latrine dumps, etc.

Again, the burden of proof of "chemtrails" lies on those making the claim. This requires irrefutable scientific evidence, not youtube videos, webpages with photos, claims that contrails look different than in the past, nor the unsupported claims of various people in positions of authority.

Or celebrities. The artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as Prince spoke abou them, so they must be real. At least to the many reposters on YouTube.
And Mythbusters, with all the experts anyone could ever want available ( I imagine eagerly) to help, called it "silly" so they are ignorant or shills.
Go figure........

Originally posted by GobbledokTChipeater


I haven't disseminated any information at all in this thread, false or not. If you have seen me do so, by all means pull me up on it.

But yes, all in all, I am thinking of the well-being of people everywhere.

[edit on 28/5/10 by GobbledokTChipeater]

Wouldn't you rather the people not be ignorant about the natural processes around them? Wouldn't you rather that the people that teach our next generation use facts and not opinions and speculation? Isn't it in the general well-being of people to not fear, for whatever reason, the visual display of a jet's passing?

Originally posted by stars15k

Or celebrities. The artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as Prince spoke abou them, so they must be real. At least to the many reposters on YouTube.
And Mythbusters, with all the experts anyone could ever want available ( I imagine eagerly) to help, called it "silly" so they are ignorant or shills.
Go figure........

You are simply trying to discredit me by: a) Putting me in a "reposter on YouTube who believes everything celebrities say" catagory; and: b) Putting words in my mouth ("Mythbusters are shills").

You chemtrailers are so ignorant its unbelievable. There is so much evidence disproving chemtrails, more than any other topic on ATS and yet you ignorant people still stand by your ridiculous claims. It is like me arguing with you that the Sun is Nibiru. Same level of stupidity. You are misidentifying something, you are paranoid, you do not understand meteorological concepts or for that matter basic school level science!! Stop ignoring all the evidence being thrown at you and really think in depth about what you are claiming. If you have a grain of intelligence you will see yourself that Chemtrails dont exist.

Originally posted by GobbledokTChipeater

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Maybe you'd like to so that you can know conclusively that the things you believe in are fact.

How do you know what I believe? And how do you know what is healthy for everybody (anybody)?

It seems easy to intuit that you have a belief in "chemtrails". Correct me if I am wrong.

Also, believing in falsehoods is generally an unhealthy practice. Much is documented on this condition.

Originally posted by stars15k

Wouldn't you rather the people not be ignorant about the natural processes around them? Wouldn't you rather that the people that teach our next generation use facts and not opinions and speculation? Isn't it in the general well-being of people to not fear, for whatever reason, the visual display of a jet's passing?

I'm glad you are only concerned with peoples wellbeing, so I suggest to please hire a jet and get the ball rolling!

As soon as the test results come back fine, everyone will suddenly stop being ignorant about the natural processes around them, the next generation will be saved from using bad facts, opinions and speculation, everyone will suddenly love jets, and dogs will stay puppies forever! Isn't life grand

You act as if, when this test is performed, this is the definitive way to end all the mentionings of chemtrail on the internet. It won't.

[edit on 28/5/10 by GobbledokTChipeater]

reply to post by OurskiesRpoisoned


Well cars, buses, trucks and motorbikes make chemtrails too then...

Don't confuse pollutants with the supposed poisoning done by chemtrails.

Why won't you "debunkers" respond to my post.

Accepting the facts are not in the "debunkers" best interests?

Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by OurskiesRpoisoned

 

Well cars, buses, trucks and motorbikes make chemtrails too then...

Don't confuse pollutants with the supposed poisoning done by chemtrails.

Show me where a bus puts out 12%+ metals in it's exhaust.

Show me where a car puts out sodium, heavy metals and unknown compounds.

Show me the exhaust of 1000 bikes, and compare it to the exhaust of one jet engine.

Too bad you can't, or won't see that.

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

It seems easy to intuit that you have a belief in "chemtrails". Correct me if I am wrong.

As I have mentioned already once in this thread, I'm not sure. Does it really matter to you so much what I believe? If so, why? And don't pretend it's for my wellbeing because if you were worried about someones/everyones wellbeing, I'm sure there is more productive things you can be doing than this

Originally posted by OurskiesRpoisoned

Thanks for proving that CHEMTRAILS exist!!

Chemicals and soot are present in all exhaust.


Unless you're claiming that normal aircraft exhaust is "chemtrails". In that case, the correct word for aircraft exhaust trails is "contrails".

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by OurskiesRpoisoned

Thanks for proving that CHEMTRAILS exist!!

Chemicals and soot are present in all exhaust.


Unless you're claiming that normal aircraft exhaust is "chemtrails". In that case, the correct word for aircraft exhaust trails is "contrails".

Please respond with facts. I don't know you from the next guy. Your opinion is simply that, on opining.

edit to add: Show me the numbers, I mean.

[edit on 28-5-2010 by OurskiesRpoisoned]

Originally posted by OurskiesRpoisoned
Show me where a bus puts out 12%+ metals in it's exhaust.

Show me where a car puts out sodium, heavy metals and unknown compounds.

Show me the exhaust of 1000 bikes, and compare it to the exhaust of one jet engine.

Too bad you can't, or won't see that.

You are capable of searching things on the internet, aren't you? Try this search phrase: "vehicle exhaust chemical composition"

Originally posted by stars15k

Originally posted by GobbledokTChipeater


I haven't disseminated any information at all in this thread, false or not. If you have seen me do so, by all means pull me up on it.

But yes, all in all, I am thinking of the well-being of people everywhere.

[edit on 28/5/10 by GobbledokTChipeater]

[edit on 28-5-2010 by stars15k]