*UPDATE* BP has NEVER shown us the main leak! Until now...

Look behind the three or so geysers in the front. OMG, look at all that

Originally posted by Blazer
They have the live view of the main leak up again:
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I'm going to compare that shot to the shot of a BOP posted earlier when I make it to the end of this thread.

Originally posted by IandEye
I believe you're right. I looked at it and it appeared to be a bad editing job of a tape-loop, like someone trying to get away with something......

I thought the same thing when they 'kept us updated' on the top kill yesterday evening. The way it was flowing looked almost fake, and the words at the top left of their feed was moving with the leak. Before that it always looked like the same feed!

This has been bothering a lot of us, and for good reason! This crap is really screwing a lot up economically and then some. I heard in a video yesterday, how people down there could barely breathe because of fumes! FUMES! Gas fumes! WTH?! The majority of life in the Gulf is next to nil already! BP needs to get their heads out of their arses, as well as our leaders! Something just isn't right here! Enough is enough!

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I see more than just 3 leaks there.

Like your avatar btw. Fits perfectly here.

I pulled these quotes from the NY Times link provided by another user.
For whatever this is worth..

At a hearing in New Orleans, the highest ranking official on the Deepwater Horizon testified that he had a disagreement with BP officials on the rig before the explosion.

Jimmy Harrell, a manager who was in charge of the rig, owned by Transocean, said he had expressed concern that BP did not plan to conduct a pressure test before sealing the well closed.

Then there was this, not that it's completely unexpected..

The investigative hearings have grown increasingly combative. Three scheduled witnesses have changed their plans to testify, according to the Coast Guard. Robert Kaluza, a BP official on the rig on the day of the explosion, declined to testify on Thursday by invoking his Fifth Amendment right not to incriminate himself.

carewemust: If BP the corporation is punished the
way many of the corporation-haters want, you can add
thousands of BP employee families to the families along
the Gulf who will be financially devastated by this incident.

The animal and wetland issues will be dwarfed by the
overall human carnage this will cause.

True. However it is not the employees families ot Gulf
residents fault for any loss. The corporation is the fault of their
negligence and careless oversight in this catastrophy and the lies
they have now entangles themselves in. We;re not dumb ignoramous
Americans! They know this too, and STILL go on with b.s. eminating from
every orifice they have. They deserve to be punished.

The animal issues will affect us more, economically.
Inflation and job losses will increase from the South up. Simply because
they have to find other fishing sites that are not affected, and BP
will end up losing more than gaining once the boycotting begins, and
they cannot afford to maintain employment costs. They're the screw up,
as well as the big boys who are allowing this b.s. to go on. Hell! I do not
just blame BP! I blame the man hiding in the darkness. The more they allow crap like this, the more they are shouting to The People how they are running things, and showing us more and more how much power they have that WE have given them. Humans are parasitic. These corp. whores are the malignant disease! Now look where we stand in the scheme of things!

Fedge: great changes have to come and it will change
people habits so yes there would be unemployed people.
a little more than what we know today, but it would change
things.

Hell yes a lot is going to change. A forced change is more like it!
Now we must look toward other means of well...survival on many levels!
Watch and see. Seriously, we think the cost of living is bad now...it
gets even better /sarcasm

However it all lands on OUR shoulders where we go from here. Better
late than never right? Sad it all had to come to this for the lot of us
to finally realize and see. I guess when a man has had more than he
take, the cup runneth over.

DClairvoyant @ KP:
KP: Anyone who would trust an oil company executive or
spokesman today could probably be declared legally insane.
I mean think about it just one moment and ask yourself when
have they ever told us the truth?

I agree! It really gets me when so many people go out of their
way to defend such blatant falsehoods! This goes for these
Company CEOs, their Presidents and spokesman etc. We can
safely include the majority of MEDIA as well! They're butt
kissing, brown nosing greedy li'l baastarde's. Shifty
little drones that will stop at nothing for a story at any cost.
All-in-all, WE are expendable!

Originally posted by Marrr
I pulled these quotes from the NY Times link provided by another user.
For whatever this is worth..

At a hearing in New Orleans, the highest ranking official on the Deepwater Horizon testified that he had a disagreement with BP officials on the rig before the explosion.

I would so love to know what the argument was about? Perhaps it was the next part of your quote! nonetheless, they should have been paying attention, and used w/e common sense they had left. Unfortunately they've shown none.

Jimmy Harrell, a manager who was in charge of the rig, owned by Transocean, said he had expressed concern that BP did not plan to conduct a pressure test before sealing the well closed.

Oh really now?! They "did not plan" aye? WTH is their damn problem?!
What are the chorus lyrics to that Linkin Park song?
"Tried to give you warning but everyone ignores me
Told you everything loud and clear
But nobody’s listening"

That can be applied here, if this is the case.

Then there was this, not that it's completely unexpected..

The investigative hearings have grown increasingly combative. Three scheduled witnesses have changed their plans to testify, according to the Coast Guard. Robert Kaluza, a BP official on the rig on the day of the explosion, declined to testify on Thursday by invoking his Fifth Amendment right not to incriminate himself.

Hmmm...I wonder why? We can only speculate so far.

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[edit on 28-5-2010 by Persephone1]

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The three right in front there. Looks like it's even worse and more widespread behind.

Originally posted by AndersonLee


How we will know if the top kill is working?

The lawsuits will start and "Breaking News" coverage of disappearing CEO's will be the indicator that the leak has been stopped. BP is going to get out of the liability by blaiming the rig builders. The company responsible for building the rig is already moving money (paying out bonuses and such) but they are claiming it is not in preparation of the inevitable lawsuits and accountibility hearings that are on the horizon.

The western Gulf states are claiming they have beautiful waters and beaches and are upset that they are getting calls cancelling vacations. These states' officials want the public to know that the gusher is really not that bad... Look: They have fishing boats in the background! [CNN.com] BP is claiming that some of the images captured by their submersible "look worse than they really are" or does not show clear images due to the detergents they have been using that keeps the oil from rising to the surface. As a result, they are only releasing the footage that has been approved.

Originally posted by alb1954
Great comments and insight here about this coverup. I was wondering if perhaps the reason that BP insisted on using "their" brand of dispersant and have been doing absolutely no cleanup is because that after the leak is stopped they will try to recover the water/oil mix, separate and clean it and make a profit from the "reclaimed" oil. It just seems strange that there has been such a minimal effort at cleanup from both BP and the government. I also agree about the video footage, it is probably some sort of looped, edited footage. Everytime I see the "live" video, I think back to the old Burger King commercials (or was it Wendy's), "where's the beef". Where is the "mud" pipe going up to the surface in any video footage? BP is not showing all of the site and all of the leaks.

BP, state, and federal government officials are claiming that finances and manpower are being utilitized to stop the leak. None want to spend the extra on clean up when there is still so much finger pointing on who will be responsible for paying for the clean up. There are a couple boats out there skimming the water and throwing out absorbant "nets" but the rest of the fleet and absorbant materials are waiting at the dock for guaranteed payment.

The locals are screaming for Obama to direct military efforts away from the Middle East to clean up efforts here like what was done when the Iraq war first started and we went in to clean up over there. The federal government says they have to get a new tax going to fund a major clean up and relief mission for affected families and coastline.

In other words: Not one person, company head, or government official is going to stick their neck out to send out a cleaning crew because that will be an admission of liablility and each is afraid of being saddled with the end bill: No money, no clean up!

"Reporter gets to the site and asks 'who's in charge here?' Looking around, he sees each person pointing a finger on someone else. The reporter follows the fingers until he sees that the last finger is pointing at himself. Okay, fine, the reporter asks 'who's responsible here? and in a blink of an eye they all disappeared."

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I tried your live feed and it said that it was NOT the live feed and gave the address for the live feed on the ticker. That came up with nothing either, or rather just an unmoving picture or seemed to be.

With regard to ther comments that a 21" pipe cannot be the main pipe I believe those commenters are wrong.

The conductor casing serves as a support during drilling operations, to flowback returns during drilling and cementing of the surface casing, and to prevent collapse of the loose soil near the surface. It can normally vary from sizes such as 18" to 30".

The purpose of surface casing is to isolate freshwater zones so that they are not contaminated during drilling and completion. Surface casing is the most strictly regulated due to these environmental concerns, which can include regulation of casing depth and cement quality. A typical size of surface casing is 13⅜ inches.

Intermediate casing may be necessary on longer drilling intervals where necessary drilling mud weight to prevent blowouts may cause a hydrostatic pressure that can fracture deeper formations. Casing placement is selected so that the hydrostatic pressure of the drilling fluid remains between formation pore and fracture pressures.

The final interval is production casing. As with the casing intervals described above, the production casing string extends to the surface where it is hung off. As the smallest casing, it will former the outer boundary of the 'A' annulus, which may involve it being used for gas lift and well kills. A typical size is 9⅝ inches.

Source

This would appear to make the 21" pipe on the large side.

One thing puzzles me.

Many posters are berating BP and saying they should be responsible for all the costs involved and that the spill was planned. No oil company in it's right mind would spill oil like this, that is just an completely unbelievable statement. I am not saying that BP should not be responsible, but I am also darn sure that this was an accident, and most of you 'armchair experts' should remember that if you did not love your oil based economies so much then none of this would be necessary and there would be no spill.

We are all as much to blame for this as the oil companies because of our demand

[edit on 28/5/2010 by PuterMan]

Originally posted by PuterMan
[...]and most of you 'armchair experts' should remember that if you did not love your oil based economies so much then none of this would be necessary and there would be no spill.

We are all as much to blame for this as the oil companies because of our demand

This is pure Bullcr*p. We have had free energy technology since the days of Nathan Stubblefield and Nikola Tesla (Not to mention Edwin V. Gray). We have had 100mpg carburetors since Charles Pogue invented the vaporizing carburetor in the 30s. Daniel Dingell of the Philippines was recently bought off from his water fuel project. Stanley Meyer was assassinated while celebrating the signing of an agreement with a manufacturer for HIS water fuel system. The undisputable fact is that the powers that be rely upon scarcity of energy in order to control the populace.

Ask yourself: Qui bene?

Or are you here to dispense guilt upon the common man who wants to feed and house his family in peace?

Are they working on the leak again now? I just refreshed the feed, It was still showing exactly the same footage as yesterday, a leek spewing white/brownish material. Now there busy again with the ROV's and the camera is moving around quite a bit.

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Cui bono ...

[edit on 28-5-2010 by AllIsOne]

reply to post by AquaTim84


I'm looking at the live feed now too, and what I see is FAR worse that what I've been seeing the last two days.

I can still CLEARLY see oil coming out in the video feed. It's not a light trick, if you look at it, you can see the vent that is spewing BLACK OIL out and the other vents that are spewing the same gas and mud mix, only less than before. The black oil is mixing with some mud, but you can see it isn't much, most of the mud is just being pushed out.

I still think this is all for show and nothing more. They KNOW they can not stop the leak at those depths and pressures with mud alone.

When there is NOTHING coming out of the top of the BOP, then we know the oil has stopped, right? Because that would mean the holes are all plugged and the mud is being pushed down the well. If that's the case, it doesn't look like they have made ANY progress because that sh*t is still pouring out of the BOP at an alarming rate.

I have family and friends that live in South Florida.... they can smell gas in the air instead of the salty sea water smell. They can smell a foul odor like dead fish mixed in with the smell of the gas. Growing up in those waters, I can tell you that the only reason Florida has had good jobs and a decent economy is because of tourism alone - people come there for the hot sun, warm and clear water. It is the heart of ALL businesses, including shopping malls (Sawgrass Mills being one of the largest in the world), the restaurants, the "strip" of bars and clubs that run up and down the coastlines... these all put MILLIONS of people to work. That is OVER and my guess is it will be less than 90 days from now when the unemployment rate skyrockets in those areas and people flee in droves. I already know people who are financially very well-off that have packed up and left and put their houses on the market to gladly take whatever loss they can in order to get rid of it NOW. This is going to spread like wildfire, especially once the reports come out that it will take 2 more months to drill a relief well before they can really stop this.

In fact... I will bet money that this whole "show" going on with the mud and junk shot, is just a delay tactic to buy them exactly enough time to drill the relief well because they know if they don't stop this thing, it's the end of BP, which will take a large part of the (what is remaining) Euro with them. I would also bet that they will be trying to pass along "good" news as often as they can to pump stock prices so the big guys can get paid and get out before it tanks. It's a classic strategy of any failing corporation where the people at the top see what's coming before anyone else does.

I can't even begin to express how tragic this is in 4000 characters or less. There will be books and stories written about this for at least the next century with the damage that is going to be caused from this. The states surrounding the Gulf states should prepare for an influx of people, and I would imagine that this is what the mobilization of troops is all about that we've been hearing.

All we can do is hope that someone will take charge of this who is more competent than anyone at BP, Obama and the rest of the administration.

This is what happens when you don't choose a President who is versed in all affairs, has a military background and knows how to command people and command respect (not demand it), who has studied the sciences, the arts, the social aspects of the country HE WAS BORN IN, being virtuous and morally upright and who understands the implications in foreign affairs. We have fallen asleep at the wheel, and while we dream of the America that we all know and love, our house is being plundered, pillaged and raped by these animals we call our Representatives and Leader.

I am ashamed, embarrassed and disgusted.

~Namaste

Originally posted by Marrr
I pulled these quotes from the NY Times link provided by another user.
...
Then there was this, not that it's completely unexpected..

The investigative hearings have grown increasingly combative. Three scheduled witnesses have changed their plans to testify, according to the Coast Guard. Robert Kaluza, a BP official on the rig on the day of the explosion, declined to testify on Thursday by invoking his Fifth Amendment right not to incriminate himself.

Seems like Robert Kaluza is a prime suspect in the investigation. But we don't know if he was just following orders from his superiors back on land. However I'd guess that even if he was, and can prove that, he still is at least partly to blame. And invoking the 5th amendment isn't a confession of guilt but it's hardly a proclamation of innocence either.

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If I had lived in the area I would have gone door to door to rally up a group of people and protest , we have to do something...

To bad I live in the Netherlands, all I can do is watch...I hate this.

Check the feed now, Im sure im seeing MORE activity down there now. They did say what you see is mud coming out but BP said that it was not good enough as the oil was escaping WITH the mud.

But right now on the feeed it looks crazy. im sure it looked like a leak has sprung in the foreground (closest to camera). It might be off camera but it sure looks like it

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I'm seeing a new leak on the live feed....

For clarification, I've been watching the feed... the camera has not changed positions in a while, but there is a LOT more stuff coming out from a new spot on the BOP. Instead of just seeing the 4 leaks before, I'm seeing a 5th one slightly off camera and the feed has big red letters reading "NOT RECORDING", so I can't tell if it's live or not, but it looks BAD.

Can anyone else confirm?

~Namaste

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are you seeing the same as i am in my screenshot above? it looks to be in the forground jus right of the camera.

Did the casing break?

Another possibility is that the mud feed line just broke, junk shot damage maybe?

Doesn't look like whatever they are doing is working right.