Another prediction come true

Originally posted by Reign02
The bible is a book on creation and the destruction of creation intended to keep the masses from doing horrible things to one another in fear of going to hell and being tortured forever. It has been passed down, and down, and down, and down, and been changed numerous times I am sure.

Well, you might be surprised to know that, in spite of numerous edits over the millennia, the Bible today is pretty much identical to the original texts in Hebrew and Greek. Almost as if it can't be made to say something that it doesn't say.

Which has impressed a lot of scholars, both theist and atheist alike.

Points of correction: the Bible is not about Creation and the destruction of Creation; the Bible is not intended to "keep people from doing horrible things" to one another; and Christ made it pretty clear that nobody goes to Hell for eternity. Certain books that were left out of the Bible explain this.


Christ already took care of the sins for all humankind, even if you don't believe it now. Christ himself went to Hell, battled Death and Satan for the souls of all Mankind, past, present and future, before he ascended to Heaven.

That's what the Bible is about. The rest of it is folklore and oral traditions explaining the bloodline of the House of David, from which Jesus descended. The most important part of the Bible is in the New Testament, the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. If you don't read any other part of the Bible, read those Gospels.

And then you'll know what the Bible is about.

— Doc Velocity

The end of the age of grace is nearer than what most think.

The reason I know this is because of the spirit of truth that the Christian has been given called the holy ghost.

I did not choose to be born in this world at this time. I did however choose to believe the truth that the Bible is true.

The "if" was not for me but for those who might doubt.

It's is strange that some are not able to comprehend their own existance, we or most of us are in the veil of ingnorance.
They are not abe to see or understand where they are, or what is going on, some one grasping hold of something in this place would seem good, especially if it were the Truth.
No person good person of religion or not would mock someone else's Faith no good comes of it.
That a person believes in a personage of a God or not, it would be hard to dispute the fact of ones own existance and the complexity of this Creation.
The fact of this Creation is upon all, the Truthes of this Creation is writen all around, olny someone atemping to be foolish to to try and denine these Powers, Truthes, Intellengence that abouds all around, if you look.
I know I'm in over my head in this which is occurring, but I'm happy and humble before the Creator, everyday I learn, grow.
I even being in the veil of ingnorance, have found the Truth, and I'm not letting go, the Creation surrounds me.
It seems though that the majic is in Love, the anwser that those seek is Love.

reply to post by Titen-Sxull

3) Sends Jesus to die horrifically even though he knows all of humanity will not be saved by this plan.

If YOU were the only one that needed forgiveness. He would have given His life for you alone.

How about you? Have you ever sacrificed your life for anyone?

Here's a way to put it so that simpletons can understand:

You'd love to win the lottery and quit your crappy job.

So, you can do one of two things. You can convince yourself that there's no way you'd ever get that lucky, so you never buy a ticket. OR, you could believe that there is a chance, that some asshat always wins, so why can't it be you, and you buy a ticket every week.

Maybe not the strongest analogy I've ever come up with, but the point is, you gotta be in it to win it. It makes no sense to go through life having convinced yourself that there is no God when there just might be. Then what are you going to do if you're wrong? You're not going to be in very good standing, are you?

I'd rather believe and be wrong. And I mean believe, not pretend to believe just in case. And if the athiest is right and everything fades to black, they won't be able to gloat anyway, so what is the point?

Originally posted by Doc Velocity

Originally posted by Cor Leonis
What will be the arguement by those explaining why it was not believed?

Actually, I don't think there will be very much explaining nor any need for explanations.

Those who don't believe right now WILL believe in the end days. There are no atheists in a foxhole, as the soldiers say.

Until they are confronted with the undeniable Truth, the unbelievers will continue their merry, hedonistic ways. No amount of bible-thumping and preaching is going to touch them.

As I tell atheists after a good, long argument:

I understand that your atheism is probably stronger now than ever; but, just remember, when The End arrives, when you're staring The Truth in the eye, you're still welcome to call on the name of The Lord, and you will be saved right along with the most devout Christian.

Says so in the Bible.

— Doc Velocity

oh really? so explain why then your jesus claims that he will turn folks away claiming to knwo them not even though they claim themselves as christians. Seems even your own bible has more to do with so called believers who are fake than those who dont belive to begin with. Seriously i also see nothing in the OP that proves any prediction. Hell the whole thing that was quoted was also going on in the time it was written. ALL through history there have been those who scoff at the bible at christians and their beliefs. Get real. this is trolling

God is longsuffering in that He does not want anyone to perish.

God continues to use every means possible to get people to trust and believe that He is love.

Some will not believe because they believe God should behave himself in a certain manner.

Some will not believe because they do not understand spiritual matters.

Some will not believe because they are wiser than God.

There are many foolish people who believe there is no God.

reply to post by Titen-Sxull


Enjoy talking to brick walls, because that's how it is. In your first post of this thread, you pointed out more than enough contradictions, but it's still just not enough.

And to Doc Velocity - you say that Jesus did this and God did that like you were there.

Were you??? Or are you just getting this from the bible?

I thought so...

Titen-Sxull brought up the same points that I usually bring up, but they are NEVER addressed or even acknowledged.

The bible has contradictions in it. Just because your god is so hard to comprehend for humans means that these said contradictions are invalid??

Give me a break - seriously.

If there was 100% proof of all the nonsense religious freaks spew, then that would be a different story. I would understand how they could go around and say these things matter-of-factly.

But there is seriously only a book, and those that made religions out of it talk like they were there and that it really happened. THAT'S what gets me. At least say, "Well, I'm not really too sure, but this is what I BELIEVE".

But no. You folks know it all.

Originally posted by AwakeinNM
Here's a way to put it so that simpletons can understand:

You'd love to win the lottery and quit your crappy job.

So, you can do one of two things. You can convince yourself that there's no way you'd ever get that lucky, so you never buy a ticket. OR, you could believe that there is a chance, that some asshat always wins, so why can't it be you, and you buy a ticket every week.

Maybe not the strongest analogy I've ever come up with, but the point is, you gotta be in it to win it. It makes no sense to go through life having convinced yourself that there is no God when there just might be. Then what are you going to do if you're wrong? You're not going to be in very good standing, are you?

I'd rather believe and be wrong. And I mean believe, not pretend to believe just in case. And if the athiest is right and everything fades to black, they won't be able to gloat anyway, so what is the point?

wow this is such horse apples i dont even know where to begin. Seriously you belive this crap? I should believe in god just to be on the safe side? ROFLMAO!!!! OMG wow. dont you think that if the bible is correct and god is real and all that jazz that he knows the difference. This is exactly what i was posting before this. Jesus claims he will know the difference and send those away in the end claiming he knew them not. LOL. Ok so yuo go on REALLY believing and i mean REALLY believing to cover your arse.
As for me i would rather question and not believe and live my life my way and not out of fear of something to come that the so called loving warm fuzzy christians whom have given me nothing but crap all my life want me to believe. f their god is real he hasnt donemuch for them except make them a bunch of elitist asshats.

The bible is not a fairy Book. But humbling yourself and trusting G-d (putting his will above your own) IS the hardest thing to do.

reply to post by FearNoEvil


So the best plan an all-powerful all-knowing God can come up with is one that forces his only son to suffer horrific pain even when said God knows the majority of humanity won't believe it? Not to mention the fact God and Jesus left no direct evidence of what they supposedly did.

An All-Powerful God could snap his fingers and forgive all sins instantly and he wouldn't even need to violate free will, just show himself to everyone on Earth simultaneously and tell them to repent and they will - BAM all sins forgiven...

But no, instead he sends Christ to die and leave no direct evidence of it save a few Gospels written decades and decades after his death by scribes who in all likelihood never met Jesus that must be believed on blind ignorant faith alone... and this is the best an all-knowing all-powerful God can come up with? I don't buy it, the story was written by men and has all the hallmarks of such.



[edit on 26-5-2010 by Titen-Sxull]

Originally posted by warpcrafter
Pffft! The bible is nothing more than a collection of badly written monotheistic propaganda that was loosely based on ancient Sumerian history....blah blah blah

Have you read it? I doubt it.

The Judeo-Christian belief is NOT monotheistic. The Sun God religion of Akhenaten was monotheistic, but the Hebrew religion was definitely polytheistic. Read Genesis, the Creation story. You can see God referring to itself in the plural as "us"...

So, who are the Gods of Judeo-Christian religion? They are God the Father (Creator), Christ The Son (Savior) and the Holy Spirit (Executer of God's Will on Earth). These are distinctly separate entities, accompanied by a Heavenly Host of Angels possessing more or less god-like attributes.

Anyone who has read the Bible knows it's not about monotheism and it's not propaganda.

— Doc Velocity

reply to post by Titen-Sxull


Can i get an AMEN brother!!!

I say can i get an Amen!!

Originally posted by Doc Velocity

As I tell atheists after a good, long argument:

I understand that your atheism is probably stronger now than ever; but, just remember, when The End arrives, when you're staring The Truth in the eye, you're still welcome to call on the name of The Lord, and you will be saved right along with the most devout Christian.

Says so in the Bible.

— Doc Velocity

Cant agree with you there....
Matthew 10:22 (New International Version)
All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.
Romans 10:13-15 (New International Version)
13for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."
14How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!

For one this bibleversion doesn't even mention gods name so that poses a serious problem but it also clearly states just calling his name WONT suffice... Now truly is the time to place your cards right... When the truth will look people in the eyes they simply wont have the time anymore to repent and change their ways.. as matthew says:
Matthew 7:13, 14;
13"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.
14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

regretfully only few will find the narrow road leading to life... Thats why Jesus Christ told us to spread the news...

Oh.. BTW christianity DEFINETELY is a mono-something religion... There is only one god we are supossed to worship... the whole trinity bussiness is a HOAX designed to stray people from the narrow road... DONT BE FOOLED.
Exodus 34:14 (New International Version)
14 Do not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.
Uhmm... the title LORD should be (as it was in the original hebrew version) be replaced with JHWH

[edit on 26-5-2010 by faceoff85]

Looking at the whole picture, there is only two roads.

One is narrow, one is wide. Most are on the wide one mocking the ones on the narrow.

Just like they mocked Jesus "the door" at the end of the narrow road.

Many speak of things they don't even understand. They seek proof just like they sought of Jesus to show them a miracle.

Many are blind who try to lead the blind. What a sorry state man is in. Man is dead while he lives and doesn't even know it. Without the spirit of truth, there is no eternal life living on the inside yet they mock those who have been saved.

Originally posted by Doc Velocity

Originally posted by warpcrafter
Pffft! The bible is nothing more than a collection of badly written monotheistic propaganda that was loosely based on ancient Sumerian history....blah blah blah

Have you read it? I doubt it.

The Judeo-Christian belief is NOT monotheistic. The Sun God religion of Akhenaten was monotheistic, but the Hebrew religion was definitely polytheistic. Read Genesis, the Creation story. You can see God referring to itself in the plural as "us"...

So, who are the Gods of Judeo-Christian religion? They are God the Father (Creator), Christ The Son (Savior) and the Holy Spirit (Executer of God's Will on Earth). These are distinctly separate entities, accompanied by a Heavenly Host of Angels possessing more or less god-like attributes.

Anyone who has read the Bible knows it's not about monotheism and it's not propaganda.

— Doc Velocity

Are you seriously playing with words here? Even IF that's referring to the trinity, that doesn't make it polytheistic!

The only way the bible was polytheistic was when they ripped off Sumerian and Egyptian mythology to MAKE the bible.

Originally posted by Cor Leonis
Looking at the whole picture, there is only two roads.

One is narrow, one is wide. Most are on the wide one mocking the ones on the narrow.

Just like they mocked Jesus "the door" at the end of the narrow road.

Many speak of things they don't even understand. They seek proof just like they sought of Jesus to show them a miracle.

Many are blind who try to lead the blind. What a sorry state man is in. Man is dead while he lives and doesn't even know it. Without the spirit of truth, there is no eternal life living on the inside yet they mock those who have been saved.

You're only mocked when you guys try to shove your religions down other people's throats and walk around with that "holier than thou" attitude.

That's all.

Originally posted by faceoff85

As I tell atheists after a good, long argument: 13"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.
14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

regretfully only few will find the narrow road leading to life... Thats why Jesus Christ told us to spread the news...

So basically yoru admitting that jesus gave you a task that you cannot fulfill and is pointless. If jesus speaks nothing but truth and he by his own words claims few will find this way to life then it stands to reason all the preaching in the world will save only a certain elect. This is what i mean by elitists. Christians from this very viewpoint think they are so saved yet even among ALL you christians who think your saved a good number of you wont be. This is such a contradiction in the bible its not even funny. Dont preach about how we can all be saved and god loves us ALL yet by hos own sons words most wont even reached heaven and everlastng life. So what thehell is the point of it all then.

[edit on 26-5-2010 by fizzy1]

Originally posted by fizzy1
oh really? so explain why then your jesus claims that he will turn folks away claiming to [know] them not even though they claim themselves as christians.

Claiming that you are a Christian is very different from being a Christian. There are billions of people who call themselves Christian. That doesn't mean dick.

The only condition of entering Heaven is that a person must call on the name of The Lord (acknowledging Jesus as the Savior). That's it.

There are those, and you know it, who call themselves Christian but who, in their hearts, do not actually acknowledge Christ as the savior. They are frauds. They profit by professing to be Christian, like carrying a fake ID. You see them on TV, you see them at the pulpit in Churches far and wide.

Those who defraud and defame Christ the Savior will not be among the first to enter Heaven. But they will eventually enter, when they call on the name of the Lord in earnest.

There's no contradiction.


— Doc Velocity

The Bible declares that it is The Word of God. Not the word of men. The Bible was given by the revelation manifestations of God.

The Bible declares that we must study to show ourselve approved of God.

It does not say that we must stand approved of men. And, I am sure that I don't need anyones approval to declare that the Word of God is truth!





[edit on 26-5-2010 by Cor Leonis]