What if there were a true God...

I'd prefer if no references to the bible were made in answering this question because bible scriptures don't define God(he in essence defines them). Assume the new God is not the anti-Christ, and there is no other characteristic for God aside from being the creator of all.


Particular to your religion; if a being were to reveal itself as the true God and its' beliefs were nothing like the beliefs of your religion, would you praise the "true God" or continue to believe in your original understanding of what/who "God" is supposed to be?

Ex: A being appears as the "true God" and starts to viciously murder people at random for fun, but he promises you that if you believe in him you will go to heaven. Would you accept him as your God?

Good Question. S&F.

He/It would have to prove it to me. Simple as that. No "Look at the bible" crap - SHOW me, somehow.

And if it did start killing, I would NOT worship it - whether it was real or not.

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I'm sorry, this makes little sense, and is kinda stupid...
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Well it doesn't make too much sense that "God" would kill his own creations for no reason. So this particular "god" would be the Devil in my eyes.

If you were to use an example of: "God came down and randomly gave everyone everything they ever needed" sure, i would follow this new "God"

Alright, so the 'True God' appears, offers undeniable proof that it is the all powerful creator, and it turns out to be nothing like my previous understanding of God i.e. is absolutely evil, breaks the laws of physics at will, and exists.

Such a being offers me a ticket into heaven if I Believe and accept him as my god.

I would not accept because no doubt this God's heaven would be representative of the God itself. While such a being could probably force me to pay lip service through fear I don't think it could compel to freely have true Faith in it.

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Originally posted by Juggernutty
Well it doesn't make too much sense that "God" would kill his own creations for no reason. So this particular "god" would be the Devil in my eyes.

If you were to use an example of: "God came down and randomly gave everyone everything they ever needed" sure, i would follow this new "God"

You only assume God would not kill his own creations(which he's done in the bible consistently ex:the great flood, Sodom & Gomorrah,etc)because your teachings have told you God would not do so. Man has given qualities to God based on qualities observed in man. The purpose of this question is to see if people would follow an unjust God who would still promise their salvation. I suppose the way I phrased it has readers misunderstanding.

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The elect who have the Spirit would know.

It is hard for me to imagine any revealed being making me believe it was God (although I admit its not an impossibility).

I tend to think of God in apophatic terms. That is, we define God by what he is not rather than by what he is. I am not sure any man can know for sure what he is. We can strip away what he is not, and approach understanding by a form of psycospiritual emptying...but I am not sure any revealed being could convince me it was God.

Still, if it is true than it is true. I think you'd have to be VERY careful in making that kind of statement, though. To falsely claim knowledge of God may be just as blasphemous as to deny God.

I think this is a great question!!!

I personally think that anyone who believes in Religion to be a pure follower. I believe that they would jump ship and worship "the true god". As long a 95% of this planets people have something to "follow" they will do almost anything they are told to do.

There are very few real thinkers anymore as thinking has effectively been taken away at schools and we are only told to answer a question with the answer they gave us.

Anyone who would question this is considered a "rebel" and outcast. Society is set up so if enough people believe in something the rest will follow suit.

This would be true for the "true god" theory!

Any way I carry one thought about god with me at all times.

HE walks in MY footsteps!

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but he promises you that if you believe in him you will go to heaven. Would you accept him as your God?

Why the hell would a god need you to validate its existence..?


And why would you ever accept 'it' as your god if it needs your validation..? You might as well proclaim yourself Master of the Universe and call it the day.

If your premise is that God in some way kills or causes death, your basic idea is incorrect. Lets be honest here, we all know which God you are referring to in this thinly veiled attempt at bashing on Christianity. The fact of the matter is that death entered the world when man forsook grace to live under the law. There was no killing or death before the fall from grace, and after it occurred both the world and man became altered. I am sure that you have heard the quote “the wages of sin are death”, that is what it means.

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um excuse me, what kind of god would make me pay for someone else's sin?
i allways had a problem with the original sin. "knowledge" why would any god want to keep you ignorant?

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How do you explain the color blue to a blind person? Perhaps the are many gods yet only one prime creator. Religion has nothing to do with God. I am one of those people who need to believe in something greater than myself. I am also one of those people who require no proof. I personally have never seen a UFO although I have no doubt we are not alone in the universe. God is within you. Even if you believe you were genetically engineered by aliens in the distant past. Everthing began with a creation. To have creation there has to be a creator.

Originally posted by gaurdian2012
um excuse me, what kind of god would make me pay for someone else's sin?

Its not that you are paying for the sins of Adam and Eve, but rather they changed the system for the rest of us, and now we are subject to sin. No one can pay for a single sin they have committed, and everyone has committed at least one sin in their lives. To an infinitely perfect God, a single sin is infinitely evil, and cannot be allowed into his presence. As humans are not infinite beings, we cannot begin to pay for a single sin. That is why the only person who could do that for us was the Son of God himself. So technically speaking you’re not paying for anyone else’s sins, or even paying for your own, God has paid for your sins for you.

Originally posted by UncivilCivilian

Ex: A being appears as the "true God" and starts to viciously murder people at random for fun, but he promises you that if you believe in him you will go to heaven. Would you accept him as your God?

That would automatically declassify as God, since God would not "appear" here - his shear awesomeness would destroy the universe.

He ONCE only showed a "spark" of his awesomeness to Moses and this caused a whole Mountain to be destroyed.

Thus, Creator would not enter Creation. He would CEASE to be the Creator if he did that.

Oh, and you said no bible references, well, it works for me. Here is one from Qur'an:

When Moses came to the place appointed by Us, and his Lord addressed him, he said: "O my Lord! show (Yourself) to me, that I may look upon You." Allah said: "By no means can you see Me; But look upon the mount; if it abide in its place, then shall you see Me." When his Lord manifested His glory on the Mount, He made it as dust. And Moses fell down in a swoon. When he recovered his senses he said: "Glory be to You! To You I turn in repentance, and I am the first to believe."
(Qur'an, 7:143)

Originally posted by skajkingdom

Originally posted by UncivilCivilian


That would automatically declassify as God, since God would not "appear" here - his shear awesomeness would destroy the universe.

He ONCE only showed a "spark" of his awesomeness to Moses and this caused a whole Mountain to be destroyed.

Apparently this question went way above a lot of your heads.

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so if i am understanding you, my debt has been paid. i am free to create my own vision of reality! i can do whatever i want! if i want to create my own species i can! if i want to travel the universe i can! if i want to become a god i can!.....................i doubt your vision of god would allow that....mine does

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Yes, your debt has been paid, that is the meaning of salvation through grace. There are some religions that try and abuse that ideal by making it about grace and works, however works is not a requirement for salvation. As to the perks of salvation, besides the obvious, lets just say that man is actually supposed to be superior to the angles, the angles once stood in fear of man. Not that it should matter to a believer anyway, because its really not about personal ego, glory, or power. A true believer is supposed to love God above all, and love his fellow man as he does himself.

In said scenario? I'd have to listen to the 'Holy Spirit' that lives in me.

Whatever my 'God sense' told me, my 'God gut instinct' said? I'd have to go by that, what's in my heart.

Surely I don't even want to fall for believing in a God that has to prove him/her/it's self to me.

I's be way 'fail' if I got sucked into that one.

peace