AP: Obama to Skip Wreath Laying Ceremony at Arlington on Monday

So what? what makes you think any President or leader for that matter really ever cared about their military?

So what? what makes you think any President or leader for that matter really ever cared about their military?

Originally posted by signal2noise

Originally posted by K J Gunderson
I am sorry you thought Obama was going to be your savior though.

Well, to be honest, that thought has never once entered my mind.

It did not? Curious...

Originally posted by signal2noise
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

Well, shucks. I thought Obama was so much better than Bush and Reagan. I thought he was the be all, end all of Presidents.

Maybe there are two of you posting here? Perhaps I do not understand your sentence?

Just one of the many "benefits" of being President. Someone is always going to be busting your chops. People thought that Obama was going to be better than the rest, and they are finding out he's just the same.

And you seem quite eager to tell them all how stupid they are. Good for you. You can save it with me.




[edit on 26-5-2010 by K J Gunderson]

Well gee, two ways to spin this:

On the one hand you have Obama flaunting the fact that he does not care for those that serve under him

And on the other, you have Obama wisely not placing himself in public, exposing himself to whatever.

Personally, I think that neither is the truth but each will have supporters of either faction championing or belittling their position.

Should a president blow off a ceremony to do what he wants to do? No, part of the position is to do what is expected including ceremonies. But if you can not perform a function in the proper manner and with the conviction of belief in the system, then you should not be there.

No matter how much I try and support this President, he finds another way to make it extremely hard for me.

Skipping the wreath laying ceremony is disgusting. They're laying waste to all of our traditions and starting new ones so it will be easier to start the 1 World Governance programs that's just over the horizon.

Originally posted by K J Gunderson
Maybe there are two of you posting here? Perhaps I do not understand your sentence?

You sure did. Something called "sarcasm".

Originally posted by K J Gunderson
And you seem quite eager to tell them all how stupid they are. Good for you. You can save it with me.

Yeah, whatever.

[edit on 26-5-2010 by signal2noise]

Originally posted by signal2noise
You sure did. Something called "sarcasm".

Nope. Sarcasm makes sense. I never said anything about him being better than Bush and Reagan. I do not see anyone else saying that. I have not read one post about him being the messiah. Perhaps you need a new comedy writer. You said these things in response to me. If it was sarcasm, it would apply somehow. It does not.

Yeah, whatever.

Now that was clever.

Originally posted by OneNationUnder
They're laying waste to all of our traditions and starting new ones so it will be easier to start the 1 World Governance programs that's just over the horizon.

Who, Reagan?

Originally posted by K J Gunderson
Nope. Sarcasm makes sense. I never said anything about him being better than Bush and Reagan. I do not see anyone else saying that. I have not read one post about him being the messiah. Perhaps you need a new comedy writer. You said these things in response to me. If it was sarcasm, it would apply somehow. It does not.

I'm so sorry that I picked your precious post to comment on. I just made a general comment to everyone reading this, and made the horrible mistake of using your well written and poetic post to do it.

Please, from the bottom of your heart, forgive me. I'm truly, truly sorry.

And everyone else out there reading this: Accept my sorrowful apology for this terrible act. I was foolish to even attempt anything with the post of the illustrious K J Gunderson. I've seen the light and from henceforth will go and do good deeds in his name.

Obama is doing something no American president has ever done in history...
This is a misstatement.

In the 80's Ronald Reagan sent an assistant Interior dept minister to lay the wreath...While he stayed Kennebunkport...

Dubya...sent Cheny while he went home to Lubok.

Your basic premise is flawed.The people who have responded so far seem so driven by their hate and fear of a black man,that they will believe almost anything that's said about him.This is sad.

reply to post by K J Gunderson


Actually,neither of those times are the times they missed...Both Dubya and Ronnie missed one wreath laying each because they were on vacation...and Ronnie was only about 45 minutes away by car.
Also,he'll be with Veterans....just ones who live in Chicago...

Originally posted by nivekronnoco
Your basic premise is flawed.The people who have responded so far seem so driven by their hate and fear of a black man,that they will believe almost anything that's said about him.This is sad.

Race doesn't have anything to do with it. It's just human nature: No one likes an ass-hat.

reply to post by Rowsdowerr


Well, your information that correlates with your theory is correct, however, I will stress again that Somalia was George Bush Sr's baby...NOT Clinton's. Then there is the matter of all of the other information that I posted to you.

So, as much as I can't stand Bill Clinton, Somalia wasn't his war or his concept. That was passed on from Bush Sr. to Bush Jr.

Nonetheless, the real issue here has yet to be addressed by either of us.

Here's the real issue in my opinion...They're all the same. The two party system is a failure because democrats and republicans work on the same side of the isle. And, I hate to inform anyone of the REAL truth while bursting their silly illusions of politics, but, the Politicians are working to benefit each other and the wealthy, and NONE of them give a crap about the rest of us.

So, it does not surprise me in the least bit that Obama won't be laying a wreath for people that he does not know or care about, despite what anyone, including Obama, may tell you. They're all scumbags, from beginning to end. If people still haven't figured that out, then we're pretty much out of hope for getting anything changed for the better.

Take a look around. Here are all these intelligent people on ATS who give enough of a damn about their world to at least postulate ideas, but, for the most part, nothing gets accomplished because we're sitting here on our computers as opposed to proactively making a change. Everyone is waiting for the politicians to do it, but, the Politicians have no incentive whatsoever to fulfill our interests. They go where the money leads them, and our tax dollars doesn't even come close to what they can gain by sucking up to corporations who influence our foreign and domestic policies.

These people are breaking us, and the best that we can do is sit here and argue with each other in defense of these liberal/conservative presidents who grow wealthier by the day by sticking donkey D#%ks up our backsides.

Think about that while we fruitlessly tear each other apart on these supposedly "educational" forums.

[edit on 26-5-2010 by EvolvedMinistry]

reply to post by mishigas


Hey buddy, dont waste your time with people who tend to make much less meaningfull posts go on to thirty or so pages just because they love to argue and add nothing. We can argue about how many presidents have done this in the past all day but the fact remains Obama seems to still have no clue what his job title is, I'm sure it's Bushes fault. Star and flag for you! Happy memorial day!!

Edit: double post

[edit on 26-5-2010 by mishigas]

reply to post by nivekronnoco

In the 80's Ronald Reagan sent an assistant Interior dept minister to lay the wreath...While he stayed Kennebunkport...

Reagan stayed in K-port? I thought that was a Bush hangout.

Dubya...sent Cheny while he went home to Lubok.

I believe that was on Veterans Day, not Memorial Day. And Bush's home ranch is in Crawford, not Lubbock.

Actually,neither of those times are the times they missed...Both Dubya and Ronnie missed one wreath laying each because they were on vacation...and Ronnie was only about 45 minutes away by car.

I think you need to check your facts. RR was attending a summit meeting. GHWB was on the campaign trail, I believe.

reply to post by JMech


You're right... I should know enough not to feed the trolls.

Anyway, thanks and have a great holiday yourself.

reply to post by mishigas


That was good to clarify those points.

When I checked here, I was surprised to find this score

Reagan...attended 4 of his 8 years.
George H W Bush...attended 0 of 4 years, while George W Bush...attended 7 of 8 (Normandy as was mentioned)
Bill Clinton...attended 8 out of 8.

My questions to my fellow Americans. How many will display the flag Memorial Day? How many will attend a local ceremony; how many NOT from a VFW will attend? How many consider this day as merely the extension of a weekend and the start of summer camping season?

For those in California, the Bakersfield National Cemetery is one of the newer ones, and in a lovely location in the foothills. There are 7 others in the state.

[edit on 26-5-2010 by desert]

It seems to me that if you are President, which also makes you commander in chief, you would want to try and keep the military happy. You might NEED them sometime. If Obama is supposed to be such a smart man why is he not trying to take this opportunity to "score some points" with the military??

Surely he understands that most members of the military and families of members of the military have strong feelings about Memorial Day. Why not show (or even try to pretend) that you care about what they care about. It's not a hard thing to do - take an hour and go lay a wreath at the cemetery. He doesn't even have to speak, just show up and look respectful.

I have to admit I don't understand the man (Obama). For someone who is supposed to be so smart he sure seems to miss a lot of easy opportunities to be more "Presidential" and less "Political".


[edit on 26-5-2010 by itguysrule]

Originally posted by WhiteDevil013
Weiner Savage?!!? You have got to be kiddding me....

You must be the only guy who listens to that loser. Seriously, I'm begging everyone to listen to this guy for 10 minutes, just to see how much of a "Wiener" he really is. Typical lib nonsense.

Um uh...what? "Typical Lib nonsense?" Are you for real? Do you even think for one second I agree with ANYTHING Weiner Savage has to say? Yeah, he is a real liberal, LMAO!!!

Of course he cant defend Obama's actions, so he has to keep railing on old repub presidents. I'm so sick of people getting their panties in a twist when ANYONE CRITICIZES OBAMA, but you guys can slam Reagan, a guy who has been dead for a while. That seems hardly fair, nor relevant to current events.

CHECK YOURSELF

Seriously you are on some kind of sick little trip or something. I never claimed I could defend the man or his actions. I have been more than clear about where I stand. The only thing I had a problem with is the claim that THIS IS THE FIRST PRESIDENT EVER TO DO THIS.

What are you not getting about that? Why does it bother you that I expect criticisms to be accurate? You seriously would be happier if like half the other dolts in this thread, I just bought the OP and skipped the truth?

I have no choice but to say "Good day Sir!"

About time then. Maybe now you can take some time to realize I have made no attempt to defend Obama, just FACTS.