Gay Marriage Still Unpopular in U.S.

Originally posted by tothetenthpower


Nope.

Monogamy is a farce.

You should be able to marry 20 women and 10 men if you want, so long as they are consenting adults, who am I to tell you your wrong?

~Keeper

Yeah, but even with consenting adults, some poor slob always ends up having to do the dishes!

I'm not for marriages where these roles can be confused! Oh, my headache now, just thinking of it!

The way I see it is that marriage is a religious affair and any religion should be allowed to discriminate on said religion otherwise there is no freedom. That said, I DO believe a legal marriage is fine and if couples choose to be married by the justice of the peace, go for it.

Originally posted by Xtrozero
I'm in love with three different women, anyone have issues with me marrying all three?

No....

There used to be a guy here on ATS that wanted to marry his Iguana, But he was from LA so that needs to be taken into consideration too.

Call me an old conservative fuddy duddy; but I think the line should be drawn at animals and reptiles; consenting or not.

I can't believe people actually care If gay people get married! It shouldn't even be something people vote on because it doesn't effect anyone but the people getting married.

Originally posted by Blanca Rose

Originally posted by tothetenthpower


Nope.

Monogamy is a farce.

You should be able to marry 20 women and 10 men if you want, so long as they are consenting adults, who am I to tell you your wrong?

~Keeper

Yeah, but even with consenting adults, some poor slob always ends up having to do the dishes!

I'm not for marriages where these roles can be confused! Oh, my headache now, just thinking of it!

So you allow yourself to subscribe to gender roles? Kind of sad...

Or it was just a joke and I didn't get it .

~KEeper

When this came up for a vote in California, I remember the media making a big deal of the fact that black people disproportionately opposed gay marriage as opposed to the percentages of other races. I always found that curious but never heard more on it. Anyone have an insight on that?

Originally posted by whaaa

Originally posted by Xtrozero
I'm in love with three different women, anyone have issues with me marrying all three?

No....

There used to be a guy here on ATS that wanted to marry his Iguana, But he was from LA so that needs to be taken into consideration too.

Call me an old conservative fuddy duddy; but I think the line should be drawn at animals and reptiles; consenting or not.

That is why I never understood people trying to link gay marriage with pedophilia and bestiality. Neither case involves only consenting adults. One of my cats is always trying to get my attention but when I ask what she wants, I never get a response so the idea of Animals consenting just seems a little fantastical to me. I do not understand what is wrong with allowing consenting adults doing what they want with each other in this respect. Animals and children are just silly arguments.

Originally posted by K J Gunderson
When this came up for a vote in California, I remember the media making a big deal of the fact that black people disproportionately opposed gay marriage as opposed to the percentages of other races. I always found that curious but never heard more on it. Anyone have an insight on that?

I'm just guessing here, but would African Americans be more inclined to strictly follow christian beliefs?

I would assume that the percentage of Religious black people would be higher than that of Whites or other minorities...

That's just my guess..

Or, the media is just doing what it loves, which is dividing us for nothing.

~Keeper

Heck yeah,

If they want to be miserable like us hetero's they have every right to be

That said, while my religious views do not allow me to support their lifestyle choice. (as in I cannot vote in favor if it). They are still humans and deserve the same rights that my wife and I enjoy. So I will not vote against it.

They should just take their given rights and start using them instead of looking to anyone for permission or approval.

Im all for civil unions, but as for marriage it should be up to each state to decide to allow gay 'marriage'. I used to be on the side that government should make it the law and forget about the backwards religious folks moaning and groaning about it, but i came to the realization that was a very flawed outlook.

[edit on 25-5-2010 by Solomons]

Originally posted by tothetenthpower

Nope.

Monogamy is a farce.

You should be able to marry 20 women and 10 men if you want, so long as they are consenting adults, who am I to tell you your wrong?

~Keeper

Define consenting adult....

We picked an arbitrary number of 18 on what an adult is, but then in many states a person can be younger.

So can we say anyone past puberty (sexual maturity) is at the age of consent? We put social values on age that in many parts of the world are much different.

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I kind of thought maybe the same thing. I grew up in a predominately black area and the difference in personal religious beliefs between the people at home and the folks out in the burbs was quite clear but that was just where I grew up so I was not sure if that really had anything to do with it.

Originally posted by Solomons
Im all for civil unions, but as for marriage it should be up to each state to decide to allow gay 'marriage'. I used to be on the side that government should make it the law and forget about the backwards religious folks moaning and groaning about it, but i came to the realization that was a very flawed outlook.

[edit on 25-5-2010 by Solomons]

Think about the issue this way.

If we are to conclude that marriage is a religious sanctity between one man and one woman, then government is forbidden from respecting, authorizing or permitting it to be in government period. That would be due to the fact we have separation of church and state and since marriage is supposedly a religious thing then it has no business in government.

OR, we could say that marriage is a government and/or personal sanctity of commitment between two people since government is legally binding to treat all people equal before the law. Which would permit gay marriage and remove it from being an issue.

It's really quite simple.

Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by tothetenthpower

Nope.

Monogamy is a farce.

You should be able to marry 20 women and 10 men if you want, so long as they are consenting adults, who am I to tell you your wrong?

~Keeper

Define consenting adult....

We picked an arbitrary number of 18 on what an adult is, but then in many states a person can be younger.

So can we say anyone past puberty (sexual maturity) is at the age of consent? We put social values on age that in many parts of the world are much different.

By consenting adult I mean the age you are legally allowed to mary. In my country that's 19.

Nope, just cause your past the age of sexual maturity, doesn't mean your an adult.

~Keeper

Originally posted by SmokeandShadow
The way I see it is that marriage is a religious affair and any religion should be allowed to discriminate on said religion otherwise there is no freedom. That said, I DO believe a legal marriage is fine and if couples choose to be married by the justice of the peace, go for it.

It's more than just a religious thing... It is actually a contract between the people getting married and the State. It has a very real legal aspect, and people don't realize it until they test it with separation and divorce. When one of the parties has to pay alimony, give up most of their assets, and the majority of their retirement... they will be wishing they never took that route. Yeah, I say give the Gay their rights to marry to the same sex.. Everybody deserve the right to be miserable and find themselves in total regret. They probably need a Gay divorce law as well, or they will find themselves in a one-way situation.

Originally posted by UberL33t

(Matthew 19:4-6) 4 He answered, "“Haven’t you read that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘For this cause a man shall leave his father and mother, and shall join to his wife; and the two shall become one flesh?’ 6 So that they are no more two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, don’t let man tear apart.”"

You bring up a good point with these verses.

How does man tear apart a marriage (divorce) in the eyes of God?

All the sanctimonious people out there decrying that homosexuality is a "sin" needs to look in the mirror and ask themselves:

Have I ever been divorced before? If yes, you are a sinner for tearing apart that which God has joined together.

Was my wife a virgin when we married? If not, you are ordered to kill her. Read my sig.

Nice book aint it?

[edit on 26-5-2010 by Nutter]

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Christians try to follow and obey the teachings of the New Testament - not the Old Testament.

Originally posted by FearNoEvil
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Christians try to follow and obey the teachings of the New Testament - not the Old Testament.

Last I heard Matthew was part of the NEW Testament.

As far as the OT. Then why do I always see scripture from Leviticus from you people if you only follow the NT?

[edit on 26-5-2010 by Nutter]

Originally posted by FearNoEvil
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Christians try to follow and obey the teachings of the New Testament - not the Old Testament.

Why! Isn't the OT also THE WORD OF GOD??

Do you think that GOD said "oh, that first part; nevermind"
Ignoring the OT is an idea that man came up with; not GOD!

topic....who cares except for a bunch of emotionally constipated, control freaks?

reply to post by Nutter


Because some of us people just pretend to be us people.

The Bible holds us to very high standards. I would expect nothing less from God.

On the other hand - you show me a Christian that hasn't sinned and I'll show you one that died before he got the chance.

I'm just thankful that God sees me through rose colored glasses now that Jesus paid for our sin. I'm continually trying to better myself but I have a long way to go.