Thank you Rand Paul

Thank you Rand Paul

www.burntorangereport.com

For you have torn off the mask and have unveiled the thinly shrouded southern Republican Party strategy, since the 1950's.

The GOP strategy, of course, includes blatant racism, exclusion, xenophobia, intolerance and hate. The toxic witches brew is mixed with an irrational hatred for big government.

Thank you, Rand, for shining a bright and stark light on your party's deeply racist and crony capitalism ideology.

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Wow...


The last couple of days I have gone from not knowing anything about Rand Paul other than being a promising tea party icon, to now where I see a person who's beliefs and political stance was hewn in such a backwater culture, that he never had to deal with actual criticism.

Rand Paul (RP) has already canceled an interview with "Meet the Press" ever since there has been much attention placed on three main stances of his...


1. Business should have the right not to serve people based on items such as color of skin. Effectively this would nullify the civil rights amendment.

2. It's un-American for a President to expect big business to clean up after itself, even when it involves the decimation of complete coastal economies.

3. It's wrong to place blame on massey for the mine explosion, even though they continue to have safety issue after safety issue.


Evidently these play really well at home in Kentucky... but they don't play well with the broader American Population.


Is this really what the Tea Party stands for? Honestly, I expected a bit of racism, but capitalist cronyism? I thought they were against this... I thought they wanted everyone to be accountable?

I for one don't fear this movement anymore... not with leaders like Rand Paul heading it up.

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I never liked Rand Paul. He has little in common with his dad. While the first point has been grossly manipulated, I just can't understand how he believes BP isn't responsible for what happened or Massey for that matter.

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Whoever wrote the article should be sued for slander. There is zero reason to believe Rand Paul is anything but a pro-freedom advocate. Republicans lead the civil rights movement and Rand Paul would have been right at the forefront. If anybody hates blacks, its DEMOCRATS. How dishonest can you get? Anybody who claims Rand Paul is a racist should simply be sued for slander. It would be a clean and clear victory in court.

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
1. Business should have the right not to serve people based on items such as color of skin. Effectively this would nullify the civil rights amendment.

2. It's un-American for a President to expect big business to clean up after itself, even when it involves the decimation of complete coastal economies.

3. It's wrong to place blame on massey for the mine explosion, even though they continue to have safety issue after safety issue.

I'm sorry but you couldn't be more wrong to base your decisions on 30 second news snippets that have little basis in reality. You are whats wrong with America. you are why politics is so dirty and a business filled with liars. Unlike most politicians, Rand Paul simply tells the truth about all of his positions. And people like you don't vote for him because of it. Sick.

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How can you say that? He said straight up that though he wasn't for discrimination, he believed that businesses should have the right to do so... claimed it was free speech.


Is there another reason why he canceled his interview with meet the press? If there is I'd love to hear it.

[edit on 22-5-2010 by HunkaHunka]

Rand Paul must be destroyed as a politician now. He is more than just one man, he is a symbol of the Tea Party, and a symbol of populism. This cannot be tolerated.

It is simple to destroy such a candidate. When someone offers so much freedom, it is simple to point out something bad that said freedom may enable, while disregarding the totality of what may happen.

Originally posted by SpectreDC
I never liked Rand Paul. He has little in common with his dad. While the first point has been grossly manipulated, I just can't understand how he believes BP isn't responsible for what happened or Massey for that matter.

I'm right there with you on this... I was really shocked to hear his views on BP and Massey... Because its completely counter to the "personal responsibility" mantra the tea party has been singing regarding healthcare.

[edit on 22-5-2010 by HunkaHunka]

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
reply to post by truthquest

 

How can you say that? He said straight up that though he wasn't for discrimination, he believed that businesses should have the right to do so... claimed it was free speech.

I'm not following. Since Rand Paul did in fact say he wasn't for discrimination as you point out, that means he isn't a racist... right? And since he said he agreed with 90% of the civil rights act, that is a very strong, anti-racism statement, correct?

Lets face the facts. Dennis Kucinich was going to vote against the health care bill until Obama twisted his arm. Are you going to be so dishonest as to say Kucinich is not a rather extreme liberal / socialist type because there were provisions in that bill that are very much worth hating?

Now, regarding his free speech argument, he of course is almost on target. Businesses should no question be allowed to base their decisions on whatever stupid ideas they have because its their business. If you don't like it then you are welcome to boycott and/or start your own business. Rand Paul is very clearly correct because property rights means we get to spend our money how we see fit. And property rights means if a company is doing something morally abhorrent, rather than shoving your morals down their throats over non-violent victimless crimes, you do boycott the company.

Understand that? By requiring businesses to discriminate based only on substance rather than character, you are shoving your morals down that businesses throat. And of course that is wrong even if their morals are disgusting.

[edit on 22-5-2010 by truthquest]

Originally posted by truthquest
reply to post by HunkaHunka

 

Whoever wrote the article should be sued for slander. There is zero reason to believe Rand Paul is anything but a pro-freedom advocate. Republicans lead the civil rights movement and Rand Paul would have been right at the forefront. If anybody hates blacks, its DEMOCRATS. How dishonest can you get? Anybody who claims Rand Paul is a racist should simply be sued for slander. It would be a clean and clear victory in court.

i guess freedom of speech only goes so far, eh? he may not be a racist, but it's easy to see how people could think he is. just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean we should sue people for having an opinion.
if businesses should have the FREEDUMB to discriminate against who they serve, then people should also have the FREEDUMB to call such people out for what they are.

I'll put it this way...had he said businesses should be allowed to determine whether they want to be a smoking allowable business or not I would agree. However, to say that businesses should be allowed to discriminate based on race and refuse service to customers is not something I could agree with.

IF Rand Paul was simply trying to make a statement that all people should be free to engage in commerce, the way he did this was absolutely wrong and irresponsible choice of words.

Originally posted by mooseinhisglory

Originally posted by truthquest
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i guess freedom of speech only goes so far, eh? he may not be a racist, but it's easy to see how people could think he is. just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean we should sue people for having an opinion.
if businesses should have the FREEDUMB to discriminate against who they serve, then people should also have the FREEDUMB to call such people out for what they are.

I say that because I don't believe its really possible to think Rand Paul is a racist. Rand Paul just got finished saying that he is very happy with 90% of the civil rights laws and then you reply by saying that he is a racist. I'm sorry but in MY opinion that makes the basis for saying he is a racist to be slander.

I have recently moved but have to say that all of my new friends from my previous residents were black. Yet Rand Paul is absolutely right that putting morals-based requirements on hiring decisions is a fundamental violation of freedoms. So perhaps someone who's most recent friends are all a very definite shade of black is going to hold that same view Rand Paul just shared perhaps you are wrong and should re-think your view of property rights.

If you think it is important that people should spend their money how they see fit then you'd end up agreeing with Rand Paul as well.

[edit on 22-5-2010 by truthquest]

A very fundamental tear between liberals and libertarians has come up and I need to address it. Libertarians believe that left to their own devices, humanity will overcome their selfish nature and do good. Liberals believe that left to their own devices, humanity is very selfish, and extremely untrustworthy, which is why we need laws to force generosity and morals upon people.

This is not true. Lets say the impossible happens and suddenly it is legal for a business to hire for whatever reasons they see fit. If any major outlet started to discriminate based on race, religion, or pretty much anything, they would get their behinds handed to them in the news media from day one. From day two, libertarians and liberals would both immediately boycott their business if possible. And if people actually wouldn't do that, then clearly that is democracy putting their stamp of approval on the practice.

Child labor is practiced in many countries. Yet businesses generally avoid child labor like the plague because they know if they are ever caught the public will boycott them and give them hell for it.

While it is true that some people cannot be trusted to be a force for good, most people can be and that is the whole point of the Libertarian position.

Originally posted by truthquest
reply to post by HunkaHunka

 

Whoever wrote the article should be sued for slander. There is zero reason to believe Rand Paul is anything but a pro-freedom advocate. Republicans lead the civil rights movement and Rand Paul would have been right at the forefront. If anybody hates blacks, its DEMOCRATS. How dishonest can you get? Anybody who claims Rand Paul is a racist should simply be sued for slander. It would be a clean and clear victory in court.

Here you go, big boy - Rand Paul is a racist. I'll wait up for the suit. Since the truth of a statement is an affirmative defense, I look forward to tying up Paul in court for months while Conway campaigns and wins the seat. Please. Make my day. Of course, Paul is the only one who can sue and he's too stupid to find the courthouse. So, it won't happen.

Originally posted by 4nsicphd
Here you go, big boy - Rand Paul is a racist. I'll wait up for the suit. Since the truth of a statement is an affirmative defense, I look forward to tying up Paul in court for months while Conway campaigns and wins the seat. Please. Make my day. Of course, Paul is the only one who can sue and he's too stupid to find the courthouse. So, it won't happen.

If Rand Paul is a racist why did he say he agrees with 90% of the provisions of the civil rights act? You make zero sense to me. The attacks that are on Rand Paul are simply from haters. I think you're a Rand Paul hater and that is the only reason you say he is a racist. Or perhaps like the American people you take 30 second sounds bites from the news media and take them as the gospel.

Rand Pauls first bad choices of words, to tell you the truth i prefer his father then him, he should have thought of thinking before speaking his mind on the crisis in the gulf.


He could go and say i am sorry for my bad choice of words.


If you ask me he should stay neutral on this matter.




[edit on 22-5-2010 by Agent_USA_Supporter]

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I disagree.

People flap their gabs about business wanting to do whatever they want and having the right to do so.

Look at Monsanto, BP, Microsoft, Texaco and all those other large companies, Wal Mart etc..

These are the reasons your country is a pile of crap, because you DID NOT regulate how those businesses were allowed to operate.

They shipped all the jobs overseas, were provided tax incentives to do so and then the work dried up in the States, no work, no economy.

The schooling system is crap as well cause there aren't any more large businesses investing in education, as they should be FORCED to do so IMO by law.

People right now are complaining about the BP spill and how BP doesn't do enough and you blame Obama for not doing anything about it.

This is EXACTLY the kind of behaviour you are asking your government to partake in . To just turn a blind eye and say " To hell with it, everything is fine, let them do whatever they want and we'll leave it up to the average consumer to decide who to buy from or which company to invest in."

All the while the Media, who are bought and sold by these corporations twist the facts left and and right to suit whatever agenda Big Business wants to push on any given day.

Regulading Big Business is the way to go. Free Market Capitalism is a great idea, in an ideal and perfect world.

Unfortunetly we don't live in that world, and monopolous enterprises are a HORRIBLE thing as they take advantage of those who are less powerfull.

~Keeper

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very well said!



You can't disdain the centralized power of washington on one hand and then support the centralizing of capital at the same time...

Just watch the movie about 1%...

Awesome post!

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
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[condensed quotations follow]

Look at Monsanto, BP, Microsoft, Texaco and all those other large companies, Wal Mart etc. These are the reasons your country is a pile of crap, because you DID NOT regulate how those businesses were allowed to operate.

The schooling system is crap as well cause there aren't any more large businesses investing in education, as they should be FORCED to do so IMO by law.

This is EXACTLY the kind of behaviour you are asking your government to partake in . To just turn a blind eye and say " To hell with it, everything is fine, let them do whatever they want and we'll leave it up to the average consumer to decide who to buy from or which company to invest in."

Regulading Big Business is the way to go. Free Market Capitalism is a great idea, in an ideal and perfect world. Unfortunetly we don't live in that world, and monopolous enterprises are a HORRIBLE thing as they take advantage of those who are less powerfull.

You know what, in a way you are right. Corporations are the problem. The USA government is by far the greediest and by far largest corporation in the history of the world. So yes, corporate America aka United States of America Incorporated is the problem.

Over the past few decades the United States has transformed from a mostly capitalist system into a tyrannical hell hole. About half of all US spending is now controlled by the government. Since that is the huge dramatic change that has happened over he past couple decades maybe that could actually be the problem? In other words, maybe politics, which you seem to love so much, is actually the problem.

There have always been corporations in US history and that hasn't changed. What has changed is the greediest corporation of all... the United States of America, has begun to self-cannibalize due to its huge size.

Did outsourcing jobs force the USA to become tyrannical? No. Did Wal Mart force the USA to become tyrannical? No. Illegal immigrants? No. Drug users or homosexual sex orgies? No. People such as yourself who support politicians? Yes! So perhaps instead of blaming illegal immigrants, outsourcing jobs, homosexual sins, we should be blaming the actual root cause of the problem -- people (like you?) who are not deeply offended by the 50% tax on Americans.

Simply stop your politics. If politicians were good people we'd be calling them charity workers. They aren't. Politics has never solved anything and never will. Yet here you are advocating politics to solve problems that politics created. Yet you can't see that, because you think Wal Mart is the problem and we need more politics to figure out what to do with Wal Mart.

What about the tyranny? Could that be the problem? Could the dramatic change over the past few decades causing the government to become a monster that devours all be the problem?

Rand Paul isn't a politician. He is an anti-politician. That is why I love him and that is why you seem to hate him.

I don't think you are going to hurt Rand. He is a paul,Its not about politics its about law.

I like how Rand Pauls opposition completely shows it has no intellectual capacity for the law and are in fact completely blinded by anything to do with race, so much so they would accuse others of racism.
Rand is a winner, he is intellectually honest and has showed why the race card is being utterly annihilated.