UPDATE: Woman shot, killed by Yuba City police

this is real easy, dont open the forking door......if the knock is legit they'll break it in.....


stoopid forking idiot ppl.....

There have been many situations where cops die because of a similar situations, while they probably would have bet that she wouldn't have shot them they are trained that people must comply for officer safety. If they failed and this woman hit the streets, she would more than likely kill civilians if she was as easily capable of killing cops. Laws are created because there is some fool who made someone develop a law to prevent some situations from happening. And most laws are created because they repeatedly happened... I dont neccessaringly like the laws that are in place, but they protect each and every one of us... BECAUSE when a parent fails to raise their children in an appropriate manner, a criminal is born... and criminals dont have the same mind-set as the rest of us.

Its Sad, but it happened... Learn from it, and dont commit the same mistake.

Edit to add

**Sorry Lurkerman I misread your post and reacted the wrong way

[edit on 21-5-2010 by rjmelter]

Originally posted by rjmelter

Originally posted by LurkerMan

Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe
reply to post by Masterjaden

 

Read the article. The police knocked on the door and a man threatened them with a handgun. You do not have the 'right' to threaten a police officer with a weapon for simply knocking on your door. You get shot for doing stupid things like that, but maybe that's evolution at work.

you dont have to comply until they kick down the door and serve a warrant.

until then you either say nothing, or shout "your trying to rob me, if you enter my home without producing a warrant i will kill you"

completely lawful threat. if they had a warrant they wouldnt be knocking on the door they would be kicking it down. they can say whatever they want to try to get you to open it and then all the rules change, and they no longer need a warrant.

Thats a load of crap. The officer could see you standing inside of your living room... as long as the door is closed he can do nothing. As soon as you make a welcomeing gesture game is on. You could be talking to him behind a closed screen door... he still cant come in. Your house is your castle and you have the right to protect it as long as your not breaking the law. Unfortunately... it is obvious in this little thread that some people do not know the law.

[edit on 21-5-2010 by rjmelter]

we both agree,

dont surrender.

[edit on 21-5-2010 by LurkerMan]

It seems the census taker was at their house around 9-9:30 PM...

Between 9 and 9:30 p.m., a U.S. Census worker knocked on the door of a home on Mariner Loop.

What the hell?

Yeah with all the stories of false census workers and sex offenders hired as census workers, I would have told him/her to come back tomorrow during the day...

I don't know if he would have called the cops...

[edit on 21-5-2010 by Vitchilo]

edited for irrelavnce to topic and getting offensive

[edit on 21-5-2010 by rjmelter]

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[edit on 21-5-2010 by LurkerMan]

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I could not have said it better myself.

Having been around guns my whole life and even doing some study into law it seemed obvious to me. Honestly, I would have thought it obvious to most regardless. I guess I was wrong.

It is sad to see some of the responses here. I can only hope that a few are not gun owners, if they are I see them ending up the same way as this woman did. Plain and simple she messed up and the consequences caught up to her.

Even the census person cannot have a gun pulled on them just for standing at your front door. The castle law is different from state to state. Some you can shoot people just for being on your property (your yard or whatever) other states they must have entered your house without consent. Even a responsible gun owner knows that if you see no threat from someone standing outside your door you do not have to pull a gun you can simply call the cops to have them removed. They should be posing a threat before pulling a weapon on them. Not saying you cannot have the gun handy but there is no reason to point a gun at someone until you are ready to use it.

Raist

Originally posted by Vitchilo
It seems the census taker was at their house around 9-9:30 PM...

Between 9 and 9:30 p.m., a U.S. Census worker knocked on the door of a home on Mariner Loop.

What the hell?

Yeah with all the stories of false census workers and sex offenders hired as census workers, I would have told him/her to come back tomorrow during the day...

I don't know if he would have called the cops...

[edit on 21-5-2010 by Vitchilo]

Yeah, not to mention police have been caught lying before, even recently with the shooting of the 7-year old girl in Detroit.

From that article, it could be the cops just went on a power trip or something. A lot of people are fearful of cops for that reason.

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[edit on 21-5-2010 by LurkerMan]

Edited for irrelevance to topic and getting offensive

[edit on 21-5-2010 by rjmelter]

Maybe she was drivin to it...
After not filling out the American Community Survey(long Census-28 pages) they sent me another..when I did not send it back, the Census called my home 4-5 times a day for 30 days..when that didnt work they started coming to my home, and was here at least 3 different times..
Yes..I spoke to thier Supervisor, and told them it was none of thier business as to what time we left for work each day(which was one of the questions) the questions were too personal and I was not answering them.
They just about drove me nuts. I finally called the last Census person who came to my door while he was at home, and told him NOT to come back to our home, we had been harrassed ENOUGH, and that I filled out the 10 question Census, but would NEVER fill out this American Community Survey Census, no matter how many times they came..
I havent heard from them since..its been 3 weeks....

OT: I asked my daughter as to why they ask the race question(She works as a higher level enumerator). The reason for it, is in reguards to financial aiding of minorities in this country. Now, what many would think of as a minority in this country, varies from city to city, and town to town. One city may have more of one race living in it then another. And yes, in some areas whites are the minorities. So that changes who can get the minority aid. In this case, white people CAN get the aid, even though they are still not the minority through out this country. As I stated, it varies from one area to the next.

That is why in some areas, it is hard for the black, brown, red and yellow races to get said aid. And in these same areas, even the white race don`t even understand that they can collect such aid. That is why the race question is asked, so the government can see who is the minority in that district. Nothing more than that.

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BECAUSE when a parent fails to raise their children in an appropriate manner, a criminal is born... and criminals dont have the same mind-set as the rest of us.

Oh brother, what a load of hog wash that was. Nothing worse than to hear a trustee-slave talk about how to behave in an appropriate manner on the plantation.

According to how this world has treated each and every one of us. It is obvious that we have the right to do just about anything to anyone at anytime for any reason. Nobody said you have to like the consequences of your actions. But live free or Die.

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Here is a little reference material for you about career criminals/repeat offenders.


CLICK HERE FIRST
CLICK HERE

AND YES they are a result of poor parenting.

I've been witness to many criminals in jail while I was interning with the local sheriffs department, most of the repeat offenders are down to earth people actually and they admitted to me they just cant make it "on the streets". I didnt go as far as blaming it on their paretns but considering some of their parents are also repeat offenders and some of their family members were in jail too... its pretty obvious is it not? That and I know about some of their paretns after asking them about their childhood.

Criminals and more specifically repeat offenders are a problem and they do have social upbringing issues. In the jail the whole rehabilitative process is SUPPOSED to help them overcome their previous upbringing so they can think like the rest of us (and yes the government does push the way they think we should think too much). But its not all governments doing, its media partially too... conspiracy aside... media isnt always connected to the government... writers make the media... not the government... the government just tries to influence which writers are "better" than others.

With that aside...

I still hold my belief that the cops should not be fired and they did what they had to do. I would think normally of using a tazer but even the fear of being tazed would cause the women to fire her weapon...

You dont bluff the people that have been authorized to call your bluff... Why you would do that doesn't make sense to me... Thus is why I think she may have had some kinf of mental condition or some degenerative disease. Her actions dont make sense. Its just a survey... Maybe they surveyor shouldn't have come so late but still. It should have ended at please leave my home, and please dont come back.

[edit on 21-5-2010 by rjmelter]

Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe
Sadly, she probably believed the rhetoric on talk radio and worked herself up to think she was defending her rights. Everybody is required to answer the census, it's always been that way so her age is no excuse.

You can't point a weapon at a census worker and you sure as hell can't point a weapon at a cop. I guess she found that out.

You mean like you believe the rhetoric coming out of Washington and get yourself worked up? How would you know what she was thinking? Just projecting your own opinions on the situation? Like I am with you? Doesn't seem fair to cast aspersions on someone does it? At least you gave me some reason to come to a conclusion. You didn't even give her that benefit.

Do you see what are country has come too?
There have been enough bad apples in the bunch to cause suspicion.
There is so much corruption, that it has caused paranoia.
Crime is beyond escalation in many area, it's rocketing out of control.
Look at Chicago, elected officials want the national guard to come in. The mayor threatens a reporter stating that he will shove a gun up his arse.
Congressman, Senators, Governors, Mayors, being convicted of multiple crimes. Bankers and stock brokers swindling the public.
The list goes on and on.
Some people feel like they can't even trust a person in uniform, with badge and sidearm. Even threatening them with death!
The trust is gone!
Integrity has left!
What has our nation become?!
I'm afraid the fuse is lit, G_D only knows how long it is.

Originally posted by Violater1
Do you see what are country has come too?
There have been enough bad apples in the bunch to cause suspicion.
There is so much corruption, that it has caused paranoia.
Crime is beyond escalation in many area, it's rocketing out of control.
Look at Chicago, elected officials want the national guard to come in. The mayor threatens a reporter stating that he will shove a gun up his arse.
Congressman, Senators, Governors, Mayors, being convicted of multiple crimes. Bankers and stock brokers swindling the public.
The list goes on and on.
Some people feel like they can't even trust a person in uniform, with badge and sidearm. Even threatening them with death!
The trust is gone!
Integrity has left!
What has our nation become?!
I'm afraid the fuse is lit, G_D only knows how long it is.

You're right on the money. Here in NM, stories on the news of government officials getting busted for one thing or another is a daily occurence. In one case, a school administrator who was entrusted with the disctrict's money was caught stealing millions of dollars from the low-income school district she worked at. She blew it all at the local indian casinos. She at least did the honorable thing and committed suicide the day before she was to be sentenced, saving taxpayers even more money.

I could go on but you get the point. A DAILY occurence, just about.

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Sounds reasonable, but I think I read that your driveway and walkway to your door are ok for a person to enter uninvited. Maybe you need a locked gate for them to force through to make it an illegal entry.

Roger-Vasselin was the sister of the late Thomas E. Mathews, a Yuba County judge and district attorney.

This makes it even more interesting.

www.appeal-democrat.com...

And this link has the census worker showing up at a different time other than previous sources.

So far all sources give slightly different versions of the story.

Originally posted by Solomons
Agreed, i really wonder why she thought the need to point a shotgun at a census worker. If it was simply because the worker turned up then this woman made a silly move in the end no matter how you dice it.

[edit on 21-5-2010 by Solomons]

Some census workers have not been census workers and then
proceeded to rape the person.

Ppl on both sides of this have been harmed to date.

A few stories about it are on ATS here.