Obama Sides With Mexico Against Arizona Immigration Law

Originally posted by dontblink

This law sets a dangerous precedent for racial profiling an represents a serious risk to civil liberties and human rights. Simply because a person is of Mexican heritage does not mean that they should be placed under a microscope? Absolutely not. It's an invasion of privacy, it's discriminatory and it's wrong. Leaving this law in place provides space in our legal system for further exclusionist measures. Arizona needs to address the imigration problem without sullying the dignity and integrity of the founding principles of the United States.

I do not respectfull disagree with you. This is pure drivel.

How about sullying the dignity of citizenship to our great country by adopting some free floating status to millions of non-citizens? And then allowing thier national leader to run his face in front the the clown possie....clapping for him against thier own.

The title of this article is blatant MSM propaganda and extremely misleading.
It could just as easily read "Obama Stands With Americans Who Believe The AZ Imigration Law Is Not The Solution."
I guess that would be too long and realistic a title, and wouldn't get the readers to look at the information in the "appropriate" light.

Indeed it's no surprise he is siding with the Mexican president. I mean after all they both have the people they both represent's wishes at heart. You know, the giant corporations that own them! I don't necessarily like any bill that is so very questionable as far as constitutionality. At least Arizona is trying something to enforce the laws that the Feds refuse to. And despite the bill's shortcomings, it's an attempt at trying to help Americans deal with the massive illegal immigration problem. I live here in Phoenix and I can say it IS a huge problem.

And don't let anyone else tell you taht you are a racist for wanting to help fix these problems either. It is not about race. It's about trying to help your nation stay together. Sure there are those that are racially motivated. But that's on both sides folks. I have many Hispanic friends here in Phoenix and I can tell you that while the usual picture of a racist is a big white redneck, I see just as much if not more reverse racism coming back at white people. My Hispanic friends have even told me that within many in their culture is a movement to take back the Southwestern US for themselves. They have a name for the movement that escapes me right now but they believe that the southwest is rightfully theirs and not America's.

That's nothing short of treason from those who support this movement and are citizens and the illegals that are here and support this idea are basically enemy guerilla soldiers of sorts.

Now we know which side the politicians are for the most part. So what does that make them? Think about it? It makes them traitors to the US! Remember it's not a white thing, it's not a brown thing. It's an American vs foreign invasion thing. And our politicians are supporting the onvading army! All their missing is uniforms...

i do not understand whats the fuss about with this arizona law ...

they just give state police same powers as federal imigration emforcement has ... and guess what its working ...

as for obamatron well what did you expect from kenya citizen

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Well then why didnt the Arizona governement have a summit with the Mexican Pres? Why does Obama bring in this guy to really do some stumping to the whole nation....making demands....being used as a mouth for old issues that were beaten down early...the assult weapons thing.

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Once again straight logic for a discussion that usually has very little logic and way too much emotion attached to it.

I agree that he isn't actually siding with this president.

What kills me is that this guy is coming here and berating us for doing what his very country does to its own illegals. That's where I get a little sick on this topic.

For the democrats to stand up and cheer this guy for making the statements he made is just pathetic. They need to do some serious research on Mexican laws reguarding their own illegals before they bring someone like this guy in to talk down to one of our states.

However, for me, it does come down to consitutionality. Is this law even right when it comes to that extremely important piece of paper?

reply to post by airspoon

Maybe Obama would feel more comfortable
living in Cancun or Cozumel or even
Mexico City.

Ur more than welcome to leave the
WH at any time.

Originally posted by dontblink

This law sets a dangerous precedent for racial profiling an represents a serious risk to civil liberties and human rights. Simply because a person is of Mexican heritage does not mean that they should be placed under a microscope? Absolutely not. It's an invasion of privacy, it's discriminatory and it's wrong.

The illegal immigrants coming across the MEXICAN BORDER are not PASTY WHITE CANADIANS COMING TO STEAL OUR LUMBERJACK JOBS. Targeting Mexicans is not racial profiling. IT IS REALITY.

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Originally posted by reassor
i do not understand whats the fuss about with this arizona law ...

they just give state police same powers as federal imigration emforcement has ... and guess what its working ...

as for obamatron well what did you expect from kenya citizen

The law does not give local police the same power as the feds it really only forces local LE to help out. If they find someone they hand him over to ICE.

How can it be working if it isn't even in effect? If your answer is that illegals are leaving the state well you would be right. The hard core criminals ain't going nowhere though.

I am thinking that all of this could have been done without the law. They wanted to cause the turmoil.

, Mexican President Felipe Calderon, who called Arizona's law discriminatory and warned Mexico would reject any effort to "criminalize migration."

What is so hard in understanding that America is not about "criminalizing"
migration? If they can come here legally, then so be it. Welcome to the US.
Get some legal papers and presto, you are home free so to speak. When
a person crosses the border illegally, at that point it comes to being
criminal. Don't they get it?

And this so called leader from Mexico should keep his nose out of our
country and try to make a life for his own people back in Mexico.
If it was so great in Mexico, then they wouldn't be coming here by the
train loads. They wouldn't be driving around our towns and cities flying
the mex flag if it so good there.

And Obama looks like he is bowing to another country with his pathetic
leadership. It is time to quit passing the buck and blaming every President
for the last forty years, and step up to the plate and show us some of his
leadership and change. By not doing anything about this mess (border)
there is no change. Same 'ol same 'ol. Get some nuts and go to work, and
find a way to politely tell other world leaders to kiss off.

Originally posted by RedmoonMWC
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

 

Again I ask.
Show me where in the AZ law that it violates the Fourth Amendment.
I have read both and I'm not seeing it.
Please supply text.
Thanks

ANYONE ELSE FOLLOWING THIS????

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Isn't OBAMA Suppose to be in Trial today?

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How about sullying the dignity of citizenship to our great country by adopting some free floating status to millions of non-citizens?

I never once stated that I supported free floating staus to any illegal resident of the United States. I simply think that the issue here lies with the fact that this law unfairly scrutinizes the Mexican population that is in Arizona legally. I think it is the product of justifiable frustration with the illegal immigration/border problem combined with the economic recession, but it doesn't change the fact that it is discriminatory.

The real issue is the border. Until it is secure the illegal immigrant problem will never stop and no amount of profilinig will ever change that.

Originally posted by dontblink
This law sets a dangerous precedent for racial profiling an represents a serious risk to civil liberties and human rights. Simply because a person is of Mexican heritage does not mean that they should be placed under a microscope? Absolutely not.

Well, Mexicans ARE the most numerous illegal immigrants in the US, ...

Illegal Immigration to the United States

The illegal immigrant population of the United States in 2008 was estimated by the Center for Immigration Studies to be about 11 million people, down from 12.5 million people in 2007.[2] According to a Pew Hispanic Center report, in 2005, 57% of illegal immigrants were from Mexico; 24% were from other Latin American countries, primarily from Central America;[3] 9% were from Asia; 6% were from Europe; and 4% were from the rest of the world.

If you heard a german sheperd is running a neighborhood loose, breaking the leash law in the community, are you going to go around looking for a labrador retriever?

I don't think so.

Number of illegal Immigrants in U.S. May Be Closer to 20 million

The "12 million undocumented and illegal immigrants" residing in our country have fueled the national discourse on immigration reform.
******SKIP******
And where did the number 12 million come from?

The methodology for counting unauthorized immigrants relies on a lot of assumptions which call into question the accuracy of the results. Twelve million may be the most popular number cited for illegal immigrants in the U.S at present, but some estimates, like one from Bear Stearns, believe the count is actually closer to a whopping 20 million.

Mexicans make up 57% of illegal immigrants (around 11 million) in the US, targeting them would be a pretty good place to start reigning in our number of illegal immigrants in the US.

Are we just suppose to let them walk our streets feeling as safe and free as any US citizen even though they broke one of our federal laws?

I've been stopped and asked to produce an ID and questioned by an officer before because I fit the "description" of somebody who had committed a crime, the description he was looking for was a "white male", so is that racial profiling too?

After all, we do seem to have around 11 MILLION Mexicans who committed a federal crime in our country who our law enforcement agencies should be pursuing.

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I for one have, become completely disillusioned with an administration, I, and so many others, first thought was the new Camelot, we fervently fought for and saw destroyed by our own military controlled government in the 60s.

For myself, I stand with the national law already on the books, and as I read it, it states that anyone in the country who can't produce some form of legal documentation/ID, to prove their citizenship or has a green card, for say attending a college or for work. Is subject to deportation, but only after a hearing is held to determine if any mitigating circumstances, might warrant them special immigration status.

As I read the law, it also states quite clearly, Officers of the Law, have the right, and or obligation to administer this law to the best of their ability. So I say Follow the Law, stop bitching, and if a person who is in this country illegally does not like our laws, then I say leave, we will not stop you. For even though you are not a citizen, you have the right to cross back over the boarder into your own country, no questioned asked or jail time as would be the case in most other countries of the world.

I know my opinions my not be very popular in most parts, but they are mine, and being a US citizen I have the right to express them, as well as Vote my states members of Congress out of Office, if I do not see them either, change the law, or abide by it.

I Wish You Well
RR

Originally posted by Keyhole
Mexicans make up 57% of illegal immigrants (around 11 million) in the US, targeting them would be a pretty good place to start reigning in our number of illegal immigrants in the US.

Are we just suppose to let them walk our streets feeling as safe and free as any US citizen even though they broke one of our federal laws?

I've been stopped and asked to produce an ID and questioned by an officer before because I fit the "description" of somebody who had committed a crime, the description he was looking for was a "white male", so is that racial profiling too?

After all, we do seem to have around 11 MILLION Mexicans who committed a federal crime in our country who our law enforcement agencies should be pursuing.

[edit on 5/20/2010 by Keyhole]

ACLU And Civil Rights Groups File Legal Challenge To Arizona Racial Profiling Law

The lawsuit charges that the Arizona law unlawfully interferes with federal power and authority over immigration matters in violation of the Supremacy Clause of the U.S. Constitution; invites racial profiling against people of color by law enforcement in violation of the equal protection guarantee and prohibition on unreasonable seizures under the 14th and Fourth Amendments; and infringes on the free speech rights of day laborers and others in Arizona.

Again Keyhole, I'm not taking the side of the illegals. My problem stems from the inevitable harassment that legal Mexican immigrants and citizens are going to face, to say nothing of the fact that the law violates the fourth ammendment to the US constitution, namely protection against searches, arrests, and seizures of property without a specific warrant or "probable cause" to believe a crime has been committed. It also asserts Arizona's authority over imigration issues within its borders. This violates the supremacy agreement in the consitiution which gives the Federal Government aurthority over the states in matters of immigration.

Originally posted by dontblink
Again Keyhole, I'm not taking the side of the illegals.

Understood,

My problem stems from the inevitable harassment that legal Mexican immigrants and citizens are going to face,

Well, I've been stopped and questioned because I've fit the description of someone who committed a crime, does that mean I was "harassed"?

I don't think so, it was just an officer doing his job and questioning somebody who fit the description of somebody who broke the law.

to say nothing of the fact that the law violates the fourth ammendment to the US constitution, namely protection against searches, arrests, and seizures of property without a specific warrant or "probable cause" to believe a crime has been committed.

11 million Mexicans have broken a law in our country, and just the way the officer questioned me because I fit the description of somebody who might have committed a crime, I don't have any problem if an officer has an encounter with somebody who might look Mexican asking him for a green card, visa, social security card, or some other proof that they are here legally and haven't committed one of these 11 million crimes.

As for the "probable cause to believe a crime has been committed" to stop and ask them for ID, how about 11 million illegal Mexican immigrants. They broke a US law.

Don't know if that's right or wrong, that's just my opinion.

[edit on 5/20/2010 by Keyhole]

reply to post by dontblink

Again Keyhole, I'm not taking the side of the illegals. My problem stems from the inevitable harassment that legal Mexican immigrants and citizens are going to face, to say nothing of the fact that the law violates the fourth amendment to the US constitution, namely protection against searches, arrests, and seizures of property without a specific warrant or "probable cause" to believe a crime has been committed. It also asserts Arizona's authority over immigration issues within its borders. This violates the supremacy agreement in the Constitution which gives the Federal Government authority over the states in matters of immigration.

You are clearly misunderstanding our Constitution and more specifically, the Bill of Rights. No need to fret, many people falsely understand these first 10 amendments to mean something that they don't. As I have said many times, our Bill of Rights only protects our liberties from the federal government. It basically tells our federal government what they can not do, as opposed to telling us what we can do. This law was not written nor intended for the federal government to intervene and question people about their legal status in this country and therefore does not violate the 4th Amendment.

Furthermore, the 10th Amendment specifically states, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people". What this means, is that the powers not given to the federal government by this very Constitution are reserved for the states or the people, meaning that the states have the ultimate authority on matters not covered by the Constitution. In other words, the states have sovereignty. So, if the federal government is not violating anyone's 4th Amendment right, then the Constitution is not being violated. Also, the states have the right to make any laws that they want, as long as they don't supersede the powers given to the federal government by the Constitution.

Anyone who says that this law violates the Constitution, is clearly misinterpreting the 4th Amendment, the Bill of Rights and the Constitution as a whole. They also seem to be forgetting about one of my favorite amendments, the 10th Amendment. To some of these people, the Constitution only seems to matter when it fits their viewpoint or when they can try to bend it to fit their viewpoint.

--airspoon

Edited for grammar.


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reply to post by dariousg


Yes, and when obama says (maybe not exact words), "Our borders don't define us", it shows that he has never been to the border between mexico and the U.S. where we see nothing but squalor on the mexican side and quite the opposite on the U.S. side.

Letting mexicans in to take over will only have the effect of "tijuana-izing" (my word) the southern U.S. Then exactly what will the illegals have accomplished, they'll just have to move again.

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