Haitian Farmers Commit to Burning Monsanto Hybrid Seeds

Originally posted by 4nsicphd

Originally posted by TheOracle

Would you be forced to have one big company providing your genetically modified water every year at their price, when you have free fresh water under your feet?

Genetically modified water, huh. Which gene in the water was modified? The one that causes scientific ignorance in its drinkers, no doubt. Let's see. A gene is made of DNA, which is made of sugars, phosphates, and organic base pairs containing carbon. I guess Monsanto modifies the name of either oxygen or hydrogen into carbon.

No. Really. Tell me. Which gene????????????????

I think she was making a sarcastic reference to bottled water and how people pay stupid high prices for it.

That is just my guess. I don't know, don't take everything so literally and try to read in between the lines? I admit that is a funny way to read into her post.

state sponsored cooperate terrorism must end

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Monsanto has invented ``Terminator Technology`` really thats what they call it. It refers to genetically modified plants that produce only sterile dead seeds and cannot reproduce naturally. Monsanto hopes to replace all agricultural seed sales with this forcing farmers to buy new seeds yearly from them. The only benefit in buying these seed is a slightly less price and more stable crop. Michael Taylor the attorney for Monsanto told the US gov its sinister plans to try and own the plant life and Obama then appointed him to ``Food and Drug safety group in 09``. To make it simple it forces farmers to pay for the next years seeds every year. So if the farmer cant pay due to drought, infestation, or other he cant pay. But if your a farmer that Doesnt buy there seeds your Ok? NO your not. The pollen from the crops carrying the Terminator traite will infect the plants and other fields around it makeing them sterile next season.

I smell a convenient tax write off dovetailing what they thought would be good PR, while getting rid of some stock that India or someone didn't buy from them.

Oh real charity there Mansanto.

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Aside from the obvious detriments of Monsanto, , manufacturer of DDT, Roundup, monopolies, ownership rights to upper 80% of all corn on planet and low 90% of all soy crops/seeds, and let's not forget the attempt to buy[ ownership and distribution rights to PIGS] - www.greenpeace.org...
I used to think gmo gene splicing was limited to combining different plant genes, but come to find out, they mix plant, insect and animal genes together, creating genuine Frankenfoods

"When food-crops are genetically modified, (“genetically modified” food is a misnomer!) one or more genes are incorporated into the crop’s genome using a vector containing several other genes, including as a minimum, viral promoters, transcription terminators, antibiotic resistance marker genes and reporter genes. Data on the safety of these are scarce even though they can affect the safety of the GM crop. For example:

DNA does not always fully break down in the alimentary tract.3,4 Gut bacteria can take up genes and GM plasmids5 and this opens up the possibility of the spread of antibiotic resistance.
Insertion of genes into the genome can also result in unintended effects, which need to be reduced/eliminated by selection, since some of the ways the inserted genes express themselves in the host or the way they affect the functioning of the crop’s own genes are unpredictable. This may lead to the development of unknown toxic/allergenic components, which we cannot analyze for and seriously limiting the selection criteria.
Current testing methods need radical improvements." Arpad Pusztai, Ph.D
www.actionbioscience.org...

WHAT ARE SOME OF THE CRITICISMS OF GMO?
www.csa.com...

MONSANTOS GMO CORN LINKED TO ORGAN FAILURE
www.huffingtonpost.com...

MONSANTOS ROUNDUP RESIDUES IN GM FOOD CAUSES CELL DAMAGE
articles.mercola.com...

Peace
And Yay Haitians!
Thanks for the post, S&F


[edit on 20-5-2010 by speculativeoptimist]

Originally posted by 4nsicphd

Originally posted by TheOracle

Would you be forced to have one big company providing your genetically modified water every year at their price, when you have free fresh water under your feet?

Genetically modified water, huh. Which gene in the water was modified? The one that causes scientific ignorance in its drinkers, no doubt. Let's see. A gene is made of DNA, which is made of sugars, phosphates, and organic base pairs containing carbon. I guess Monsanto modifies the name of either oxygen or hydrogen into carbon.

No. Really. Tell me. Which gene????????????????

Aha caught me there :p
I know I should reread myself more than often

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Yea or you could use a search engine and take the time to inform yourself instead of being spoon fed by others. Then make up your own mind.


Death to Monsanto. I'm going to cut some crops they grow locally here.

Originally posted by 4nsicphd

Originally posted by TheOracle

Would you be forced to have one big company providing your genetically modified water every year at their price, when you have free fresh water under your feet?

Genetically modified water, huh. Which gene in the water was modified? The one that causes scientific ignorance in its drinkers, no doubt. Let's see. A gene is made of DNA, which is made of sugars, phosphates, and organic base pairs containing carbon. I guess Monsanto modifies the name of either oxygen or hydrogen into carbon.

No. Really. Tell me. Which gene????????????????

I get exactly what he was trying to explain. You don't?

*hands you some genetically modified 'smart' water*

Originally posted by speculativeoptimist
reply to post by traditionaldrummer

 

Aside from the obvious detriments of Monsanto, , manufacturer of DDT, Roundup, monopolies, ownership rights to upper 80% of all corn on planet and low 90% of all soy crops/seeds, and let's not forget the attempt to buy ownership and distribution rights to PIGS - www.greenpeace.org...
I used to think gmo gene splicing was limited to combining different plant genes, but come to find out, they mix plant, insect and animal genes together, creating genuine Frankenfoods

"When food-crops are genetically modified, (“genetically modified” food is a misnomer!) one or more genes are incorporated into the crop’s genome using a vector containing several other genes, including as a minimum, viral promoters, transcription terminators, antibiotic resistance marker genes and reporter genes. Data on the safety of these are scarce even though they can affect the safety of the GM crop. For example:

DNA does not always fully break down in the alimentary tract.3,4 Gut bacteria can take up genes and GM plasmids5 and this opens up the possibility of the spread of antibiotic resistance.
Insertion of genes into the genome can also result in unintended effects, which need to be reduced/eliminated by selection, since some of the ways the inserted genes express themselves in the host or the way they affect the functioning of the crop’s own genes are unpredictable. This may lead to the development of unknown toxic/allergenic components, which we cannot analyze for and seriously limiting the selection criteria.
Current testing methods need radical improvements." Arpad Pusztai, Ph.D
www.actionbioscience.org...

WHAT ARE SOME OF THE CRITICISMS OF GMO?
www.csa.com...

MONSANTOS GMO CORN LINKED TO ORGAN FAILURE
www.huffingtonpost.com...

MONSANTOS ROUNDUP RESIDUES IN GM FOOD CAUSES CELL DAMAGE
articles.mercola.com...

Peace
And Yay Haitians!
Thanks for the post, S&F

[edit on 20-5-2010 by speculativeoptimist]

I've also seen some studies of cancer being linked to GMO foods.

Suppressed report shows cancer link to GM potatoes.

Mr Simpson said the findings, which showed that lab rats developed tumours, were released by anti-GM campaigners in Wales. Dr Pusztai and a colleague used potatoes that had been genetically modified to produce a protein, lectin. They found cell damage in the rats' stomachs, and in parts of their intestines.

THis is the best news I've heard in a long time!!!! They are in turmoil from the quake and they still won't "buy that crap!" Maybe other nations will catch on!!! Good for them for not giving in!!

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They have a "terminator" gene that makes the seeds produce a plant that won't produce more seed or that the seeds it does produce are sterile...so the poor country and farmers have to buy more seed from.... Monsanto
rather than using the seeds that would otherwise naturally be produced with a crop....

Also by cross contamination, any neighbour can grow Monsanto seeds and he will be sued to oblivion or join their evil scheme.
Also the seeds are so dangerous that people handling them need protective gloves and such.
Would you be forced to have one big company providing your genetically modified water every year at their price, when you have free fresh water under your feet?

post by TheOracle

Once people stop buying terminator seeds, that will be the end of MONSANTO anyways. Hope it doesn't spread to the neighboring farms.

I was a biology/chemistry dual major as an undergrad. Most of what I was taught about genetic engineering sounded promising and utopian.

Like every good student these days, I didn't ask too many questions because I was too busy trying to absorb all the crap they were shoving down my throat.

Now that I've had time to really read and listen, I have discovered that genetic engineering is the sloppiest, most misunderstood, risky, unpredictable, and dangerous endeavor mankind has embarked on yet. I would say even more so than the atomic bomb.

Read: "Seeds of Deception" by Jeffrey M. Smith and you'll start to get the idea.

Originally posted by HunkaHunka

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Maybe you can help me understand: what exactly is the problem with genetically modified seeds? I've heard a lot of arguments against them that seem based on strange assumptions, yet I've heard many scientists from many fields claiming that the anti-GM seed fervor is irrational and will ultimately cost lives. Help please?

What about "covered in pesticides" don't you understand?

The GMO thing is secondary to the fact that they are already covered in pesticides.

What many seem to overlook, even those that see what this evil empire is doing to the food system on this planet, is that yes, they are indeed covered by these pesticides but also one other very important fact: The pesticides are GENETICALLY IMPLANTED IN THESE SEEDS! This means that when creatures consume the produce from the seeds or the seeds themselves they are cosuming small parts of this pesticide as well.

There is a LOT of research for and against GMO's. Traditionaldrummer needs to do this research on his/her own.

What he/she will find is that yes, there are plenty of scientists for this crap and MANY MANY more against it. Depends on who truly has tested the produce. Also, you should follow the money and the history of this company. They have been caught MANY times bribing the FDA and caught many times poisoning people with their products that they bribed to get approved. That should speak volumes to anyone who questions people who question the actions of this company.

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Maybe you can help me understand: what exactly is the problem with genetically modified seeds? I've heard a lot of arguments against them that seem based on strange assumptions, yet I've heard many scientists from many fields claiming that the anti-GM seed fervor is irrational and will ultimately cost lives. Help please?

it just happens that i recently posted a collection of older threads on the topic, due to the simple fact that new aspects just aren't happening, it's the same old empty promise which failed in Argentina, India and North America, South Africa and elsewhere and worldwide cotton production even dipped in 2006, coinciding with a push for GM cotton... not a surprise when you consider that one strain is supposed to fit every single purpose, worldwide - obviously unrealistic and misguided.

link: www.abovetopsecret.com...

use the links from this post for more or use the search function on ATS, i mean it IS one of the more debated subjects on the board. if you're mysteriously resistant to each GMO critical piece of information, however....

www.abovetopsecret.com...


i'll post another, focusing on South Africa, which is extremely damning, because well specimen yielding no or little seed points squarely at a faulty breed:

www.digitaljournal.com...

South African farmers suffered millions of dollars in lost income when 82,000 hectares of genetically-manipulated corn (maize) failed to produce hardly any seeds.The plants look lush and healthy from the outside. Monsanto has offered compensation.

in all honesty, the real criticism of genetic modification can only be applied to the current way of handling the technology which hasn't changed much if at all since its inception a couple of decades ago and an industry which stubbornly maintains concepts which have never worked when put to a real life test.


re-post from first link for convenience's sake:

Originally posted by Long Lance
welcome to 1998... no really, Argentina had them back then, only a couple of years after introduction of GM soy.

India had similar problems, because these frankenseeds are never living up to the hype, but they certainly do give Monsanto a lot of money - and big agribusinesses gets cheap land obtained from now defunct farms as a neat side effect.



www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...


if you must, go through

www.abovetopsecret.com...

to see what you can find and if you still don't believe that the genetic engineering of today is a hack job with underwhelming results and a latent risk, then read

www.abovetopsecret.com...

or

www.abovetopsecret.com...

or

www.abovetopsecret.com...

well, i still hope that things won't go sideways too far, but in the end, something's got to give, belief alone won't feed anyone, nor will it prevent the re-occurrence of faulty harmful defects, like:

www.aquarianonline.com/Eco/UnnaturalHarvest.html

(pls copy and paste this link, i don't wish to kill it by automatic referral)

PS: i almost forgot about this one, but it suits perfectly:

On Genetically Modified Foods Propaganda and ''Conclusive Science'




[edit on 2010.5.20 by Long Lance]

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Maybe you can help me understand: what exactly is the problem with genetically modified seeds? I've heard a lot of arguments against them that seem based on strange assumptions, yet I've heard many scientists from many fields claiming that the anti-GM seed fervor is irrational and will ultimately cost lives. Help please?

Of course scientist say that...They get grants (money) to research the opposite so anything apposing their money income they will go against......

It's not about science....it's about money..

Same with the archeology field......

All those people already think they know everything.....

They are only in it to make money and to do so they need to produce data favoring them...if not, they lose money and maybe job.....so they lie about data..

Has happened in every field of science in every country in the world...
And no I have no evidence to back it up , but I would love for you to try and prove otherwise..

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This looks like a move to flat out own Haiti... not some humanitarian thing... Good for them...

Google Video Link

The poisons inside the seeds also quarantee that the poor hungry farmers can`t eat them, they must be sown.

As has been stated before, but is worth another mention is the domino effect with these seeds, they have to be fed with the special fertilisers, the seed produced by them is sterile, so you need to re-buy the seed and can`t sow the resultant surplus, plus it damages the soil so that once used, you have to re-buy from them, otherwise any resultant crops will die. They will also cross polinate with other farms crops, meaning that other farmers crops will suffer.

Emotional blackmail, use once, use forever !

It makes me sad to think how man can defile something such as plant seeds into something so corrupt, evil and vile .

It makes me very sad that help from US seems so foul to these farmers that the best remedy is fire and lots of it. As if they've sent them crates of plague itself.

The story would seem like a science fiction if I wasn't already familiar with practices of this Monsanto company....

Edit: it reminds me of smallpox ridden blankets whites sent to the Indians....


[edit on 20/5/2010 by SassyCat]

Okay, I'm sorry to say this. Even though I detest Monsanto for all it is worth, they are not using 'Terminator Seed' technology yet. They have bought out the company that came up with it but have yet to introduce it into commercially available products.

Of course that doesn't mean they will not in the future but as it is now they have not introduced it into market.

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This is what "Earth Day" should be about! I'm sending a big psychic HELL YEAH to Haiti!

The green freaks all scream about the curly light bulbs and cow farts! Instead of funny lights bulbs, lets go hardcore with Bloom Boxes!

Dont know what a Bloom Box is? Check it out!

www.fastcompany.com...

EBAY is COMPLETELY powered by these beasts!

I hunt and fish. I completely understand about conservation. I'M A CONSERVATIVE, DUH!

The planet will whack us LONG before we do her in....but why crap in your house when you have an outhouse? Take care of what you have. Its easy.


unless your a major corporation and dont give a crap....except for the much touted curley light bulbs full of mercury!