A Cost Effective Solution for Illegal Immigration

reply to post by CheeseyMonkey


The US is not as all powerful and self sufficient as you would think.

If China does not like the way we role, it can stop buying our securities and/or sell off the dollars it holds. This would be catastrophic to the US economy.

If Mexico does not like the way we role, it can stop selling us oil. This would also be crippling to our economy. The same can be said if Venezuela or Canada stops selling us oil.

If the EU does not like the way we role, it can shut its markets down. The EU is a large market for US-based corporations.

Worse of all, if Brazil does not like the way we role, there will be no more Brazilian tourists in tight jeans walking around our cities. This is the saddest consequence of them all!!!!!

reply to post by Silk


Mining the border between us and mexico would not make us the worlds policemen, it would make us our own policemen. How would it be wrong if on our own land we chose to put mines? It is our land, we can do what we want with it.

reply to post by hotpinkurinalmint


It goes both ways. If we quit buying stuff from China, Brazil, and Europe then they will have problems too.

reply to post by CheeseyMonkey


This may be what the law is....but is this what the law should be?

If you were the dictator of the US, would you immediately deport all the illegal aliens? Or would you perhaps try to work out a more sensible solution that acknowledges both the benefits and costs of having illegal immigrants here.

Illegal immigration is a complex phenomenon. Terse soundbites like "kick them all out" are not good policies for managing something so complex.

reply to post by hotpinkurinalmint


It is not complex. You just want to try to make it complex. It is cut and dry. They broke the law. They are here illegally. They should be rounded up and deported ASAP. You cannot be more simple than that.

What exactly is the benefit we get from Illegal Immigrants, which are basically a bunch of law breakers who are here and we don't even know who they are or where they are?

reply to post by CheeseyMonkey


You are right in that the other countries depend on the US just like the US depends on other countries. However, the trend is that the US is going to need countries like China more than countries like China are going to need the US.

After all, China provides us with many of the goods we buy. We just provide China with worthless securities. It is difficult to find a replacement for somebody who can provide you with all the goods you need, but it is easy to find someone who can mint garbage securities.

Originally posted by CheeseyMonkey
reply to post by Silk

 

Mining the border between us and mexico would not make us the worlds policemen, it would make us our own policemen. How would it be wrong if on our own land we chose to put mines? It is our land, we can do what we want with it.

You set yourself up as the worlds policeforce long before this issue - the intervention in Iraq against so called WMDs was just one example.

Flaunting common sense and using weapons of war in a civilian situation - and not a declared war, as you suggest simply tells me you know little about the Geneva Conventions and the morality of conflict.

Why not just have gas ovens on the other side of the border and stick those you catch into them? I bet that would dry up those wanting to cross the border.

This is an extremely easy problem to fix. Borders don't need to be mined, guards don't need to be hired, and new laws do not need to be passed. You must understand the supply-demand dynamic in order to create a solution to the problem, so here it is: Kill the demand and the supply will decrease naturally on its own. Here is how: Fine any particular company known for employing illegals (landscapers, carpenters, painters, sheetrockers, etc.) the maximum amount allowed by law. Put the rest of the industry on notice by continually doing this on a day-to-day basis. In one months time there would be a massive layoff and that would thus decrease the demand for illegal cheap unproductive labor. Then, Mexicans and others would have to decide if coming to America with an extremely dismal hope of making any money is a better alternative to staying where they are. NEXT!

P.S.- The reason this has not already happened is because the corporation wants to pay the lowest possible wage in order to glean the highest possible profit. Those who are CEO's and large shareholders of large corporations are intamitely tied to or part of the gov't, and of course politicians also recognize the chance to buy the votes of children/relatives of illegals. Furthermore, it causes fractures in society further dividing a population the powers that be ultimately want to subdue and control.

reply to post by Silk

Why not just have gas ovens on the other side of the border and stick those you catch into them? I bet that would dry up those wanting to cross the border.

That wouldnt be very cost effective. Could you imagine the cost of putting an over every hundred miles or so. You would have to run gas lines and protect them etc.. It would cost entirely too much.

Originally posted by AwakeinNM
I came up with an idea one day that unfortunately someone else already thought of. Put a minefield at the border, but with nonlethal mines that transmit a signal whenever one goes off. The S/N of the mine wild be linked to a database that has its GPS coordinates so the BP could respond quickly. Have them explode with a dye pack like banks use, so if you see a purple Mexican near the border, you can probably guess that he didn't go through customs.

The problem with that idea is that you'd also have purple coyotes, deer and whatever other wildlife that's trotting around out there, and plenty of false alarms.

Lmfao!!!
But seriously, lol, all that has to be done to ensure we don't have barney-colored wildlife would be to links the mines to a thermal sensing device that has is set to detect average HUMAN core temps, as all species have a different temps.

Lmfao! (I'm sorry, the purple illegal alien, strolling thru smallville, TX/AZ scene cracked me up!)
*disclaimer* ahmonrah is too cool of a guy to be racist, so don't go there. This thread clearly, is for entertainment *end disclaimer*

This is one wacky thread!! Lol!!!

reply to post by budaruskie


That would be helpful, but would not solve the problem. All the illegals with kids born in the US would just get on the government dole and it would cost us even more. The only solution is to kick them all out and make it impossible for them to cross the border without divine intervention or a legal right to be here.

Originally posted by CheeseyMonkey
reply to post by hotpinkurinalmint

 

The only just thing to do is option 1. They broke the law. The penalty is to be thrown out of the country. It is the law.

It's called changing the law what part of changing the law don't you understand?

Seriously though that is what amnesty and immigration reform is about.
Amnesty has been done before against the will of the people and didn't work all that well.

The reform will probably make it easier to get work permits and visas.

reply to post by daskakik


Why should we change the law just because a bunch of people broke it. Maybe we should change the law to allow murder, because there are a lot of murderers. That just doesn't make sense. You dont change the law to adjust to the criminals, you deal with the criminals until they come into compliance with the law.

reply to post by CheeseyMonkey


The existing illegals are a different matter than those who have yet to cross although my solution would also take care of them, since they could not sustain themselves at the enormous cost of living we have here (by comparison). Existing illegals should be deported at all costs, period. However, mining the border follows the same logic the gov't uses to prosecute the "war on drugs". It would not work, because they'd figure out a way through the mines, hell they'd probably be the ones out there putting them down! Human ingenuity is limitless and if they want in bad enough, they'd find a way. You absolutely must make them realize that it is not to their advantage in any way to come here, that is the only way.

reply to post by CheeseyMonkey


Stop saying we should do this or we should do that. You don't really do anything but vote for some guys to represent you. Other people give these people large amounts of money to get things done how they want.

You don't change the law your government does and they will do what they think is "best" for you. And I am willing to bet the roll out the amnesty cause they always do.

Originally posted by budaruskie
reply to post by CheeseyMonkey

 

It would not work, because they'd figure out a way through the mines, hell they'd probably be the ones out there putting them down!

Human ingenuity is limitless and if they want in bad enough, they'd find a way. You absolutely must make them realize that it is not to their advantage in any way to come here, that is the only way.

Good point. I could see them digging them up and selling them to the cartels.

reply to post by daskakik


So now you are saying only people in Congress can have an opinion on what should be done? Hopefully, they wont go the amnesty route this time because 80% of the American public are against illegal immigration and just might be forced to take matters into their own hands.

reply to post by CheeseyMonkey


You do not understand the benefits illegal aliens bring?

Did you eat any fruits or vegetables today?

Who do you think picked the fruits and vegetables you are eating...a white guy with an MBA?

Did you every use a public restroom in the past week?

Who do you think cleaned the restroom?

Do you see Americans lining up around the block to pick fruit or scrub toilets?

reply to post by daskakik


I got a deal for you. If they make it through the mine field or are able to steal one without going KABOOM! then I say that person has earned their citizenship.

Originally posted by ahmonrarh

Originally posted by AwakeinNM
I came up with an idea one day that unfortunately someone else already thought of. Put a minefield at the border, but with nonlethal mines that transmit a signal whenever one goes off. The S/N of the mine wild be linked to a database that has its GPS coordinates so the BP could respond quickly. Have them explode with a dye pack like banks use, so if you see a purple Mexican near the border, you can probably guess that he didn't go through customs.

The problem with that idea is that you'd also have purple coyotes, deer and whatever other wildlife that's trotting around out there, and plenty of false alarms.

Lmfao!!!
But seriously, lol, all that has to be done to ensure we don't have barney-colored wildlife would be to links the mines to a thermal sensing device that has is set to detect average HUMAN core temps, as all species have a different temps.

Lmfao! (I'm sorry, the purple illegal alien, strolling thru smallville, TX/AZ scene cracked me up!)
*disclaimer* ahmonrah is too cool of a guy to be racist, so don't go there. This thread clearly, is for entertainment *end disclaimer*

This is one wacky thread!! Lol!!!

It's nice that someone gets my humor. The thermal sensing would defeat the purpose of the mines, which I see as being low-tech, compressed-air powered devices with a small battery and $2 logic circuit that sends a weak radio signal to one of many receivers. Much cheaper than thermal imaging.

Ooh, another idea. You know how the military drops leaflets on the enemy during wartime? We could have pilots patrol the border dropping W4 forms. That might work.