MK Topics...

reply to post by MemoryShock


The romantic conspiracist in me would like to think that the Manchurian Komission was "detached" from CIA in the late -70's and continued on its own, but with their old fund raisers and beneficiaries intact.
Thus, no documentation needed to be kept in governmental possession and only the copies already in circulation had to be destroyed.

I'd also like to think that the MK personell went into business as consultants, hired by advertisment bureaus, pharmacutical companies, food producers and of course the military.

I mean, there is so much around us everyday that just screams "MK ALERT!" straight out. And I don't mean just "missing time" experiences or such things, but subliminal messages in commercials, the array of psychiatric drugs, interrogation techniques, etc...

Just like the "knowledge" that came out of the horrible crimes Unit 731 commited during the Second World War, or what happened in the Nazi death camps later came to "use" in the civillian, peace-time world...just like what the MK experiments brought...this kind of "dirty" jobs that needed to be done to bring the psychiatric evolution forward, but that could never be undergone by a company that would risk being sued into oblivion...

But these people in the MK payrolls...these inhuman psychopats, enemies of liberty and human rights... They just started enjoying it. They were probably pretty wasted on drugs themselves. Perverted people.

I am rambling, I know.
I should try to remain focused in future posts.

The rational, non conspiratory part of me would suggest that MK as a project is indeed terminated. Yet, the remnants of it is scattered all over different governmental bodies and in the private sector as well.
It is just too "dangerous" for such secrecies to be concentrated within one part of the government.

Rest assured, the perpetrators of the MK projects are still out there.
Imagine a CIA top-level hypno-psychiartrist or chemist being about 30 years old when these projects were at its peak somewhere around the late 60's/early 70's...that'd make them around 60-70 years old today.
They still remember. They know where those documents went after the "termination". Heck, they might even be active to this day as "veteran advisors".
These people know it all!
It is not like we are trying to figure out the meaning behind the Egyptian pyramids here. No, this is stuff that we can find out for real, information that is still fresh in the brains of people, walking amongst us!

We have the god damn right to know what they did, and foremost why they did it, and keep doing it!

/rant

Intresting topic, the thing is experiments like this are still going on today just different methods, google organized stalking or electronic torture through low microwave frequencies, and there also begining to work on satellite technologies that do much the same, the military has issued patents on this kind of technology.....thank god for people like Representative Jim Guest who has spoken out againts this type of stalking and torture.


[edit on 15-8-2010 by King Seesar]

reply to post by King Seesar

And yet, despite the fact that we know this is going on, we allow it....

Why?

Perhaps the most important question here...

reply to post by MemoryShock



I agree the fact patents have been issued should be a white flag in terms of WE DO KNOW.....they have this type of technology and are using it on innocent civilians, but just like MK Ultra came out into the public and also the fact the government was poisoning its own people during prohibition came out i suspect this will also come out, like i said state representative Jim Guest has spoken out about it and there is also rumors of two Senators looking into this topic and that is a good first step.....but i agree it's taking too long and the more we wait the more people suffer.

There is precedence for the Senate 'looking into this'...

40 years ago...

I don't trust them anymore...

reply to post by MemoryShock

I was a psycotronic and microwave harrassment victim from 1998 to 2006 but im afraid to discuss my experiences here as ill probably either get banned as I have even from Christian forums or just be told Im crazy needless to say they've come a long way since the 50's.

MemoryShock: i understand not trusting the senate i rarely do either but there are some good people in the government probably not many but there are some such as Ron Paul and Jim Guest, and like i said Mk Ultra eventually came out so in time i'm sure the organized stalking and electronic torture will come out also, there's just too many victims of this for it not to come out.


anglodemonicmatrix: i too am a victim of electronic torture it started with me in 2005 and some organized stalking as well, a great group for you to get in touch with is Freedom from Covert Harassment and Surveillance there the group that informed state represenitive Jim Guest as to what was going on and there also getting other members of the government involved in a effort to get to the bottom of whats going on also they plan on taking there issues to the United Nations, there a great group with tons of info on this topic and i suggest you get in contact with them.....here's there website.

www.freedomfchs.com...

Originally posted by King Seesar
MemoryShock: i understand not trusting the senate i rarely do either but there are some good people in the government probably not many but there are some such as Ron Paul and Jim Guest, and like i said Mk Ultra eventually came out so in time i'm sure the organized stalking and electronic torture will come out also, there's just too many victims of this for it not to come out.

Will it come out when they have perfected the tech...?

I'm burning social cease fire's here...and I am not kidding...when is this legally recognized?

I can explain it five times to their Tuesday...but they have a second Tuesday in the week...

Really...this sucks...

reply to post by anglodemonicmatrix


We are all ears mate.

Just keep it factual and focused.
Maybe you will find out that you are not alone.

Best wishes;
/Raud

Originally posted by anglodemonicmatrix
I was a psycotronic and microwave harrassment victim from 1998 to 2006 but im afraid to discuss my experiences here as ill probably either get banned as I have even from Christian forums or just be told Im crazy needless to say they've come a long way since the 50's.

You won't be banned for your expression...I'm still here...

An interesting article from a few days ago:
The Hidden Tragedy of the CIA's Experiments on Children

Some interesting tidbits:

Metrazol-like drugs are still used in interrogations today. According to reports from several former noncommissioned Army officers, who served on rendition-related security details in Turkey, Pakistan and Romania, drugs that produce effects quite similar to Metrazol are still used in 2010 by the Pentagon and CIA on enemy combatants and rendered subjects held at the many "black sites" maintained across the globe. Observed one former officer recently, "They would twist up like a pretzel, in unbelievable shapes and jerk and shake like crazy, their eyes nearly popping out of their heads."

I wonder if this report will ever be completed, or made public:

In 2008, at the behest of US Sens. Carl Levin, Joe Biden and Chuck Hagel and in reaction to a March 2008 article in The Washington Post, the Pentagon initiated an Inspector General Report on the use of "mind-altering substances by DoD [Department of Defense] Personnel during Interrogations of Detainees and/or Prisoners Captured during the War on Terror." It is not known if the investigation has been completed. Among the more famous recent cases of the use of drugs upon prisoners concerns one-time alleged "enemy combatant" Jose Padilla, who had originally been accused of wanting to set off a "dirty bomb." The charge was later forced, but Padilla was held in solitary confinement for many months and forced to take '___' or other powerful drugs while held in the Navy brig in Charleston, South Carolina.

In my opinion, all the hoohah about "waterboarding" with regard "enhanced interrogation techniques" is fluff -- the real inhuman torture is what can be done with interrogation using psychoactive drugs. The media ignores that aspect.


Edit: A link to the Washington Post article mentioned:
Detainees Allege Being Drugged, Questioned


[edit on August 15th 2010 by Ian McLean]

reply to post by Ian McLean


Great find, Ian!

I'd like to think that maybe these interrogation officers, often poorly educated, take influences from what they've heard about the MK projects and act it out, just for the hell of it, just for torture.

My father was (as you can learn from my previous posts in this thread) an instructor in military interrogation and he always makes a roll-eyes expression when he hears about what happens in Gitmo, Bagram, Abu-ghraib and all those places.
To him, there doesn't seem to exist any wish for the US interrogation officers to actually get some good intel. They just act as dunegon keepers or torture masters.
Maybe if they did things the proper way and, you know, find stuff out, a lot of lives could be saved...

To my father (who is also a former marine commando), they all act like amateurs.
Just take this one fact:
In battle, when you take a POW, the intel that POW has is only good for 24hrs (48 tops!). After that, everything has changed out in the field and the prisoner is no good.
Still, they keep people in places like Gitmo for years!
What can they possibly squeeze out of those poor souls that have any meaning at all today???

This might sound very OT, but let me put things like this instead:
If those POWs are not held captive for the info they might keep, but as guineapigs for an ever-ongoing MK project?

Just a thought.

I'd like to toss this one in:

reply to post by MemoryShock


I'm afraid that the technology using low microwave frequencies has pretty much been perfected as far as the satellite technology gos i still feel there working on that.

How i think all of this mess will come out to the public is a group of victims with the aid of people in the government like Jim Guest will get a grand jury hearing and that the military will be forced to give up the information on the weapons and how it was used on civilians, much the same way the Doctors had to turn over there secret documents during the MK-Ultra hearings.


Groups like freedom from covert harassment have already begun getting info on victims for such a case there even trying to bring this topic up to the United Nations.

So even tho it seems like things are happening slow, things are happening.

My opinion is that MK stands for 'Mark'.

Mark - Ultra.

In my experience this has been the standard meaning of MK and MK is not unique AT ALL to MK-Ultra.

It's probably not "Mind Kontrol" or "Manchurian Kandidate" or whatever.

This in no way reduces the significance of MK-Ultra, as the name is largely irrelevant. What matters is what they were/are currently/will be doing with mind control and involuntary/without consent or knowledge drug and other experimentation against US citizens.

I am extremely interested in this topic, because in my opinion MK Ultra's continuation is utterly undeniable. Lately though, my mind acts more like a sponge. When I get into my 'sponge-mode' I continuously soak things up... I almost can't stop! Sometimes I can't even bring myself to add anything meaningful until I have had a chance to mull it over, but I do want to comment on a couple of things that have stimulated my creative thought:

Originally posted by Ian McLean
In my opinion, all the hoohah about "waterboarding" with regard "enhanced interrogation techniques" is fluff -- the real inhuman torture is what can be done with interrogation using psychoactive drugs. The media ignores that aspect.

I think it's important to point out here how torturous it would be to be subjected to such torture methods. I am not a drug user, but I did experiment between highschool and college... and I don't know if any of you have heard of '___', but I had an experience once that started out with a 'bad trip'. It was extremely potent, luckily I had experienced people to calm me down psychologically. I mean, one guy appeared to have a red lizard-like head, his tongue wildly waving everywhere. Keeping that in mind, if a bad trip is how it chemically affects the mind in the first place-- think of the effects of a purposely imposed 'horror trip'.

With that experience behind me, it is utterly terrifying for me to think what they may be doing to people and what kind of drugs they may be using. For all we know they could be using things 100 times more powerful than the '___' I experienced. Psychological terror, to me would have to be the worst of it's kind.

Originally posted by Raud
This might sound very OT, but let me put things like this instead:
If those POWs are not held captive for the info they might keep, but as guineapigs for an ever-ongoing MK project?

I would imagine they could break your mind enough to constantly feel like your soul is in the grip of satan. Terrifying. Recalling what you summarazied, Raud, about 'The Room' only deepens the horror. I hope to have something to add to this discussion later... it really freaks me out, and I have my suspicions about JLL, even though people have refuted that he doesn't 'fit the profile' for MK given his mental displays.

My counter to this still stands.. The human mind is so unique and complex, how can we be so sure there is a profile? When you manipulate the mind through all sorts of avenues, I believe the predictability of behavior drops significantly. When wires get crossed in there, and connections get snipped.. well, hopefully you get my point.

(P.S. I wish this was stickied )

OH MY!! Memory Shock, this is the first Ive seen this thread!!! Where has it been???

I will come back later and share some stuff, as Ive already seen you have some good people participating. I would like to add a dash of some of what I am aware of.

Peace, NRE.

It's being a while since i'v seen this thread, i sure hope you are doing well MemoryShock, anyway the topic at hand is very serious, i hate to too sound like a broken record but it's ridicules that a bill hasen't been pased yet that says that the United States government can't do experiments on unwilling or unknowing participants, so we still have project monarch and electronic torture going on and who knows what other projects there wroking on that originally stemmed from MK-Ultra...


The good news is you now have politicians such as Rep Jim Guest looking into this mater not to mention there's senators who plan on passing legislator that states the government can't experiment on someone with out there consent....it's about time this type of bill should of been passed a long time ago...

Originally posted by Raud
reply to post by dethroner

 

One more thing about the Hammond transcript that raises questions:

They [US intelligence during OP Paperclip] brought them [the Nazi doctors] to the United States. Along with them was a young boy, a teenager, who had been raised in a Hasidic Jewish tradition and a background of Cabalistic mysticism that probably appealed to people in the Cult because at least by the turn of the century Aleister Crowley had been introducing Cabalism into Satanic stuff, if not earlier.
[...]
The people that came, the Nazi doctors, were Satanists. Subsequently, the boy changed his name, Americanized it some, obtained an M.D. degree, became a physician and continued this work that appears to be at the center of Cult Programming today. His name is known to patients throughout the country.

Care to reveal that name?

[edit on 15-6-2010 by Raud]

Green(baum)

Bumpiddy-bump



Not much new maybe but the documentary itself is very interesting since it was the first real coverage of the issue.

Ha! I was looking for this thread. I was just watching a vid that would fit nicely in this thread.

CIA Mind Control Operation MK-ULTRA