What the hell is everybody crying and whining about anyway

Do either of you know wht "cracker day" is?
Its the day of the year (usually MLKs birthday sadly enough) In predominatly black schools in which the Black students make it a point to attack and attempt to "beat down" every white student in the schhool at least once before the end of the day.
As I said its a deeply rascist institution.
Not in the way you two thought though colonel or echelon.
Interesting though that you both assumed a meaning rather than finding out.
Makes me wonder if everything you say is an assumption.
No it doesnt I can tell that by reading what you write.

well... that's what one would assume from the way you described it at first.

but i don't doubt that there are other occasions where it's the other way around.

Originally posted by echelon
well... that's what one would assume from the way you described it at first.

but i don't doubt that there are other occasions where it's the other way around.

Woah dont back peddle so fast we dont want to to have an accident.

Blah...blah...blah.. state's rights is Jim Crow in the South.

History of Jim Crow

...in general the Jim Crow era in American history dates from the late 1890s, when southern states began systematically to codify (or strengthen) in law and state constitutional provisions the subordinate position of African Americans in society. Most of these legal steps were aimed at separating the races in public spaces (public schools, parks, accommodations, and transportation) and preventing adult black males from exercising the right to vote. In every state of the former Confederacy, the system of legalized segregation and disfranchisement was fully in place by 1910. This system of white supremacy cut across class boundaries and re-enforced a cult of "whiteness" that predated the Civil War.

www.jimcrowhistory.org...

Yaknow, you annoy the # outta me. You don't have anything to say, 47. You just argue with me for the sake of arguing--even commonly accepted points.

[edit on 15-6-2004 by Colonel]

What surprises me about this is that we aren't talking about Mr. State's Rights himself, Reagan, but some high school juvenile bs.

Originally posted by Colonel
Yaknow, you annoy the # outta me. You don't have anything to say, 47. You just argue with me for the sake of arguing--even commonly accepted points.

[edit on 15-6-2004 by Colonel]

No its not commonly accepted.

Sweet Jesus man, all youve proven is that Jim Crow laws fit under States Rights, but that doesnt prove your earlier statement.

All Jim Crow laws are part of States Rights = Yes
All states rights laws equal Jim crow laws = no

Get a grip on your history, and try an unbiased source for once.

Whats your next soure going to be? The nation of islam?

You pick the most biased positions and try and prove them with biased support.

States rights came long before Jim crow laws. Thats all Im trying to prove, but you just make it sound like Im hounding you.

states� rights in U.S. history, doctrine based on the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution, which states, �The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.� The term embraces both the doctrine of absolute state sovereignty that was espoused by John C. Calhoun and that of the so-called strict constructionist interpretation of the U.S. Constitution, which reserves to the state governments all powers not specifically granted by that document to the federal government. A states� rights controversy is probably inherent in the federal structure of the United States government.

States rights reered its ugly heads when Jefferson was deciding upon a financial system for Americans. You had Hamilton trying to impose this federalist bank of the United states and you had Jefferson trying to prvent this.

States rights is the reason that national income tax wasnt created until the early 20th century.

Read the last line colonel:

A states' rights controversy is probably inherent in the federal structure of the United States government

Get a grip. Nowhere in US history does States Rights automatically equal Jim Crow.
Link

YOU are hounding me. I realize that State's Rights is included in the Bill of Rights. But, if someone from the South or someone addressing a southern audience, particularly a republican, says State's Rights, blacks automatically think Jim Crow laws. And that's that! Damn!

Originally posted by mwm1331

Peple like you are the reason the black community has the problems it does, not politicians. You spend so much time "educating"people about why they cant succeed, about how the chips are so stacked against them that they believe it. People like you have brainwashed the black community into believing they cant succeed so they dont even try.
Hmmm maybe you should join the KKK after all guys like you have had more success at opressing the black community than they ever did.

I can't believe what I am reading, your statement is racism in itself. Racism is a fact in American culture. It is real, you don't know what it is like to walk in a black mans or womans shoes......daily oppression. It is attitudes such as yours that keeps racism alive, not those who try and expose it for what it is. Before you go accusing me of being black and bad for the community, I am not. At my school, since the civil rights movement, the FBI sits in on our Ethnic studies classes just to observe what is being taught. Not to mention sitting in on classes that teaches anything about Islam and the Middle East. That is racism, a reality not a concept.





[Edited on 16-6-2004 by Narnia]

Originally posted by Colonel
YOU are hounding me. I realize that State's Rights is included in the Bill of Rights. But, if someone from the South or someone addressing a southern audience, particularly a republican, says State's Rights, blacks automatically think Jim Crow laws. And that's that! Damn!

Well at least you could finally change your stance to a somewhat more truthful one.

Now lets try to do this more often.

You go get 'em, Narnia! I'm tiredof these racsists coming here pretending they're not, explainiing away real racsim as some ethnic fantasy so they can keep thte status quo for themselves.

Nevermind.

[edit on 15-6-2004 by Agent47]

Originally posted by Colonel
You go get 'em, Narnia! I'm tiredof these racsists coming here pretending they're not, explainiing away real racsim as some ethnic fantasy so they can keep thte status quo for themselves.

I tried to stay away from this discussion because it is making me sad and really sick......these attitudes man.......unbelievable.

Originally posted by Narnia
I tried to stay away from this discussion because it is making me sad and really sick......these attitudes man.......unbelievable.

Well I can agree with the two of you that some of these posts have been comprable to Trent Lott's code endorsment of segregation and Jim Crow.

Im just here to keep history straight.

Originally posted by Agent47

Originally posted by echelon
well... that's what one would assume from the way you described it at first.
but i don't doubt that there are other occasions where it's the other way around.

Woah dont back peddle so fast we dont want to to have an accident.

so you're in fact implying that events like these are uncommon in the south... ?

Originally posted by echelon
so you're in fact implying that events like these are uncommon in the south... ?

Dont put words in my mouth.

All I did was point out that you were crying about "racial progroms" and then tried to back peddle when you found out we werent talking about that.

I never condone nor deny such action. Its despicable and those who do it should be punished.

Understood, Agent47. The history books we read in school however are slanted to one demographic........we are all a product of our experiences and opportunities. As to not to entirely blame the attitudes on the person, it is dialogue such as this that can create a bridge. The frustrating thing for me is that I think there is no understanding of Colonel and what he is saying. There is much truth to it. Perhaps the delivery is harsh, but what other way can it be delivered?





[Edited on 15-6-2004 by Narnia]

You have voted Colonel for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have one more vote left for this month.

Originally posted by Nerdling
You have voted Colonel for the Way Above Top Secret award.

It would be funny if a banned member was voted WATS

Originally posted by Agent47

It would be funny if a banned member was voted WATS

It happened before - I think TWATs is retroactive - TheNeo won just after he had been banned.

The fact is States rights do not equal jim crow laws. If thats your PERCEPTION of what the word means thats one thing but perception is not truth.
I am neither rascist nor a bigot, but I know rascism when I see it.
I see it on the thread when someone states that all southerners are gay bshing tobacco chewing gun toting in breds.
I see it when smeone says that in effect all current legislators and white voters in the south are racist.
Does rascism exist in the U.S.? Yes. Black on white? Yes. black on latino? Yes .White on black? Yes. etc. etc. etc. ad infinitum
The idea that all people of a given racial group have the same negative traits is rascism.
Does it matter if its the idea that all blacksa re lazy or the idea that all southern whites are rascists? No
Either way its rascism.
I am not a racist but I am an elitist.
I think tht the peple who found, run, and manage major corporations contribute more to society than dockworkers.
I think that research scientists contribute more than the clerk at McDonalds.
I think that politicians contribute more than the guy who works at the car wash.
I think that most people who re ahomeless are either additcs, lazy, or both.
I think that the only way to succeed in america fianacialy is to create value for the economy.
I think those that think the only way the people to the top get there is by lieing and stealng are lieing to themselves to make up for thier own shortcomings.
I think that most of the poor in this nation are poor because of the choices they made in thier life.
I think that any man or woman of any color , sexual orientation, race, or religon who says he or she cant succede because others are prejudiced aginst them is wrong, is lieing to themselves and is a failure BECAUSE of that attitude.
I think tht anyone who tells someone that someone else is opressing him and trying to stop him from succeding is hurting that person.
There will alwys be prejudiced people for one reason or another, telling people that they are poor because whitey is holding them down is insulting to you and them.
If the history of this country has shown 1 thing its shown that no man can be held down unless he allows it, And that those who refuse to be held down have always succeeded.
American society is competitive and in every competition there are those who win and those who lose, always has been always will be, Why should capitalism be any different.