My Thoughts On Paranormal Abilities

I would first like to say that the Paranormal Studies forum is not one that I frequent often. Which of course an odd thing because it was my study of paranormal phenomena that was my "gateway drug" to the various topics that are here on ATS that are given serious study by many people.

One of my opinionated feeling on the subject of ESP (visions, precognition, telepathy) is that there is first of all something to it. And second of all, that genetics may be involved.

Within my extended family of aunts, uncles and cousins that are blood related there are some of us that experience visions while sleeping. They differ greatly from normal dreams and those of us that receive them are very aware that it was a vision. Now they tend to come in two varieties of either precognition or distance viewing of current happenings.

For some in the family, and it is a subject that isn't talked about much, the vision while sleeping is the only thing that they can do. Which is an odd way to say it as there is no control over having a vision. It just happens. There are a few of us that have explored this seeming latent ability and have gained the ability to do things while conscious to the point of "willing" an ability to manifest itself.

Now in my dealings with people that claim to see auras, I have been told that mine is larger than average but they can never really discern a color. Usually they just say it is clear or translucent. As for myself, I never thought that I could see them unless I happen to be color-blind to them. Yes I do see what appears to be a image around a person and sometimes objects if I concentrate long enough. It looks like heat rising from the road to me. Like a pseudo mirage, that I just chalked up as an optical illusion due to eyestrain from focusing on something or someone.

One of the things I do believe in is what I term a collective conscience. That are of us are connected like a giant conference call and that those connections can go for all people living or dead. That we are able to select different individuals and bond with them. Feel their presence when they are nearby, such as when one of those people enter the same building you are in. Or that you can identify people in a darkened room or with your eyes closed by feeling them out. But that you can also reach back and make a connection to someone in a post-cognitive way as well.

Of my pre-cognitive abilities that never fail nor are seconded guessed is that I have the ability to know ahead of time when I am going to become involved with someone. And sadly, I often get a glimpse of when that relationship s going to end. Friends that I have talked with about this have passed it off as me reading the subtile clues of body language and other non-verbal communication and am observant enough to collate them together quickly enough to "predict" an accurate probable outcome. I don't buy that. There have been too many instances of being right too far in the future for subtile clues to have filled me in on other people's motives and desires.

I hope that this has made some sense and hope to hear more from people in this discussion.

Are you sure your "abilities" arent just wishful thinking because you want to be special, important or unique?

Can you demonstrate any real paranormal ability that can be proven?

reply to post by rajaten


Meeting a James Randi challenge? Of course not. But then again James Randi does not present accurate challenges to evaluate either. His greatest claim to fame is debunking, Uri Geller in particular. James Randi as a magician was little better than the odd guy in every local town that only performs for children in small groups. His million dollar offers are safe, anyone that could beat one his challenges would be disqualified for other reasons.

Claims of being special on that front are not needed by me. On that account I can assure you, because I have done other things in my lifetime to make me feel special enough. Playing in front of a crowd in excess of 100,000 as part of the University of Tennessee marching band for one example. And believe me, being front of such a large crowd that first time did bring out a bit of stage fright for a minute, even though I have acted on stage in front of tough crowds for years beforehand, including entire schools in those wonderful school assemblies that you had in the gym.

Being 39, I am a far cry from an "indigo" or whatever other flavor of the month that is bandied about. What I state is a genuine belief in such abilities because I know from experience that they do exist. It's not like I am claiming to set apples on fire from across the room by thought while skeptics hold them.

What I am saying is that there is some truth to said abilities and from my observation they tend to run in families like a recessive gene. I also feel that it is a trait that could have served early man well. An additional form of protection in a pre-civilized time, such as members thinking you are in trouble and to feel out your location would be far more useful than waiting around for a police officer to be invented and then decide to come to your aid.

The problem with "proving" an extra-sensory perception - at least in my experience - is that they're not controllable abilities. Every "psychic" I've ever met has never been able to control when they have a bout of whatever ability it is.

This raises all kinds of problems, since many of the people I've met who have some form of extra-sensory perception tend to get negative readings. The death of a loved one, a vision of a house fire, a 100-car pile up outside of Madison, Wisconsin. Seldom do they see/receive good things.

Those 3 were examples of 3 "psychic" events I've been privy to because of "psychic" friends.



To your original post Ahabstar - I agree that it's genetic. My friend Bree, her sister Melissa, and their mom all have "witch dreams" and the ability to sense a persons intentions from their aura. Bree's step-father, half-brother, and their youngest child, a girl (an offspring from the second marriage) do not have any "psychic" ability at all.

In my own family myself, both my brothers, my dad and his siblings, and my dad's parents have all had experiences. My mom, and her entire family line have not had any.

Small sampling, I know. But it's a theory I've pondered before. Nice thread.

~ Scribe

reply to post by Wandering Scribe


And that is what separates "psychics" from the real people that have the gift or curse depending on how they view it.

Professional psychics use cold reading techniques to appear "always on". Legitimate people have no real focused control to call on demand. The demand and confusion of actually being on all the time would just be too overwhelming.

If you possessed receptive telepathy, think of all the goofy thoughts and songs that get stuck in our own heads from time to time. Now imagine hearing everyone you walked past with their songs and goofy thoughts. It would drive a person insane really quick. They might not make it through a single day at school, let alone to adulthood before they would want to cause serious harm to themselves to make it stop.

But by the same token, catching a glimpse of someone's thoughts from time to time would not be sure a burden. The same could be said about visions. If every time you slept, you saw either current of future events you would avoid sleeping to just keep them out. Watching people suffer and die all the time is depressing. It would be a terrible strain to see that day in and day out.

i think that people may be able to develop some control by working at it. Much in the way a person can decide to be a bodybuilder. But there are some limitations, just as there are with lifting weights. By that, I mean if a person were to lift a calf over their head everyday, they still are not going to lift a full grown cow over their head in two years time.

Originally posted by Ahabstar
One of my opinionated feeling on the subject of ESP (visions, precognition, telepathy) is that there is first of all something to it. And second of all, that genetics may be involved.

I kind of have a theory about this tried to keep it short so it doesnt bore you too much - A matrix is defined as " Something within which something else originates, takes from, or develops " ( in other words a seed ) matrix is also defined as a " mold " or " die " that leaves an imprint on something else. The Australian Aborigines have a name for it - jiva or guruwari, a seed power deposited in the earth. According to Aborigines, every action or event that occurs at a particular place leaves behind a vibrational residue in the earth, plants leave an image of themselves as seeds.

I believe the universal matrix / prototype is imprinted into our DNA defining and laying the foundation of our physical characteristics - our personalities - intellect - archetypes - the collective unconscious and all associated primordial knowledge. According to Native American Indian mythology Spider Grandmother was responsible for all the stars in the sky - she took a giant web she had spun, and laced it with dew. She then threw it into the sky, and the dew became the stars. Some liken her to the Creatix ( Matrix.) Spider Grandmother like the ( Fates ) contains the essence that constitutes the matrix - weaving life into the cosmos creating a rich tapestry like grid that connects and ties all creation together.

So if we are ALL born with pretty much the same hard wiring - at what point do some people partially disconnect ( or become oblivious ) to the subconscious / mystical aspects of the matrix so to speak whilst others are drawn closer ? Because I do believe we all come to a crossroad in life -at which point many of us begin to veer in a different direction. Then I started wondering what that catalyst for that change would be ?? What prompted the spiritual / mystical change in me ? Throughout my early childhood I was conscious of my intuitive / empathic abilities but it wasn't until I hit puberty I realised the full scope of my psychic gifts ( events that leaned towards telekinesis - psychokinesis ) that's if you don't believe in ghosts etc - my dreams became more vivid - lucid - symbolic and spiritual in context and it was also during this period that I began experiencing much more frequent bouts of deja vu.

you can see peoples auras or their energy field...watch someones while they are in charge of something...you can tell if you want to be involved or connected to that person then.

I did have a 30min conversation with a person with 3 witness that confirmed it..
He spoke and I answered and never opened my mouth untill at the end when I said you heard me? yes
You guys heard me? yes
But I never opened my mouth the whole time till now....
weird and I have never had the same results with that again..
not saying it has never happened again but not as fluid.

My mother use to say all the time you put words into my mouth...as we argued I never yelled back I just 'thought' argued and she would respond to my thought words....and after a bit her head would hurt and say...your putting words into my mouth...But I haven't talked back mum...
It would end soon after

also
I use to fly in my dreams over the places I would go to the next day...
Flying was so much fun...I use to breast stroke or freestyle...but to gain flight it was like diving into the pool but...air. and apart from swimming in air you could zoom about but ....yer I use to fly over paths, streets, in thru shops and houses I would goto the next day...I was aware in dreams and upon waking of it too.
I have felt like I was levitating once while in a sexual situation...and my girl afterwards said she felt like she was floating....
I have no idea if we were or if it was the spirit thing...but awesome either way...not the bumping uglies( but thats ok too!) but the floating feeling while awake.

I kinda stopped using any of these things much now...but I know they are still around as get the odd experience every so often if I really need help or stuff like that...
ie just doing a 180 deg turn and walking away...auras to some people...some vision of events...but like I said I dont go out of my way to use any of these things now.

reply to post by Ahabstar

And that is what separates "psychics" from the real people that have the gift or curse depending on how they view it

Exactly. I've never met anyone with a psychic ability who wanted others to know. Most of the people I've come across, I've done so accidentally. Usually, being good friends, they get comfortable with me being around and it'll accidentally slip out.

Professional psychics use cold reading techniques to appear "always on". Legitimate people have no real focused control to call on demand. The demand and confusion of actually being on all the time would just be too overwhelming

This was always a big problem when I tried to help someone cope with what they were seeing, feeling or experiencing. They'd talk about how Hollywood, and the media, and television portray an extra-sensory perception as some wonderful blessing.

That was when I actively set about uncovering the use of cold-reading and other mind games. I knew there had to be a reason Uri Geller and the others' were having great ol' times, while my friends were terrified.

If you possessed receptive telepathy, think of all the goofy thoughts and songs that get stuck in our own heads from time to time. Now imagine hearing everyone you walked past with their songs and goofy thoughts. It would drive a person insane really quick. They might not make it through a single day at school, let alone to adulthood before they would want to cause serious harm to themselves to make it stop

Exactly.

But by the same token, catching a glimpse of someone's thoughts from time to time would not be sure a burden. The same could be said about visions. If every time you slept, you saw either current of future events you would avoid sleeping to just keep them out. Watching people suffer and die all the time is depressing. It would be a terrible strain to see that day in and day out

It's hard enough seeing people suffer, or die, infrequently. I can't imagine what I would have done if my friend had come to me and said "I saw another person I know die last night, and then he died today" every day for a week straight.

i think that people may be able to develop some control by working at it. Much in the way a person can decide to be a bodybuilder. But there are some limitations, just as there are with lifting weights. By that, I mean if a person were to lift a calf over their head everyday, they still are not going to lift a full grown cow over their head in two years time

I've heard this. But honestly, it's not through any spiritual, dietary, or physical means that precognition, telepathy or intuitions are developed. We tried all of those. My friend who can dream the future is finishing her degree in criminal justice, she figured if it could be honed and learned, it might aid her. 7 years in, she's no more efficient at it then she was when she first let slip she could do it.

I suppose anything is possible though.

reply to post by Ahabstar


Prove it please, otherwise you are just like the others.

Honestly I am tired of wading through all this so called claims with no proof whatsoever. What's the aim?

Whatever happened to deny ignorance?

Prove it. Claim the 1 million dollar challenge etc. If its real, people will come to support you.

Honestly 1 day I would probably just come onto the forums and claim something extraordinary because hey, no moderator seems to be interested to stop these claims ever.

reply to post by postmeme


Sure, easy as pie. James Randi's entire career as a magician was based on duplicating Houdini's escapes and minor magic tricks. Were it not for the multi-decade feud with Uri Geller, along with other proclaimed professionals, hardly anyone would remember him.

Before entering his competition, one has to become a famous psychic (or whatever they claim themselves to be) before he will allow for his multi-part test.

Now what sort of proposed challenge would you accept as proof of evidence? Viewing anything that happens as part of a vision (or even a plain old dream) is right out since there is no way to do such a device like Dream-O-Vision.

A collective conscience would also be unprovable for the same reason. Bonding with a person to feel their presence would be about as close of a challenge as you can get. But how would you shield them? Box of lead or something? What would be the difference between a variable "in range" and a "lucky guess"?

Think of it this way: projected telepathy would be the planting of a suggestion. receptive telepathy would be receiving a thought or suggestion. Doing either with a random stranger usually does not work as it would take time to make a connection. But what would be considered a fair amount of time? Would it disprove the notion if someone you had not seen in a long time (and honestly don't really remember) was used as a test? I mean, if they were a close person, naturally there could be claims of trickery.

So what would be a satisfying solution as proof. And do notice my only claim is what I have observed and experienced. I would say that there is no conclusive proof of anything, only supposition of things to be true by repeated observation. And I find that it to be a genetic trait that runs in families. But I guess that proof is easy enough. Find people that claim to be able to do things and ask if it runs in their family.

But if you want a wild claim of "ungodly powers" then by all means here is one. Drink a complete gallon of whole milk in one sitting, try to do this within 30 minutes and "magically" you will either vomit or have a case of diarrhea. You may duplicate this test as many times as you wish to prove it to be true.

Sigh, there is no need to cast aspersions on Randi, which again is without any proof & is just your opinion.. Randi has a really long history, I suggest everyone google and read up on him.

Can we just confirm what exactly is your ability? Precognition in the form of dreaming?

If so, it will be a very easy task to prove or disprove it.

Oh and by the way, watching competitive eating on Youtube happen to be a favorite past time of mine .

Do you even understand the mechanics of the 1 gallon milk challenge? It is not magic but just a limitation of the body. Regardless I do not know what is your point of talking about the milk challenge because competitive eaters like Joey Chestnut and lots of other college kids have done it.

Again lets confirm what is your ability and we can structure an easy way to prove or disprove it, right here on ATS.

reply to post by postmeme


About the milk, in the words of Foghorn Leghorn: That was a joke, son. A rib. A knee-slapper.

And as I said earlier, what would constitute proof for you? Wait until I happen to have a vision, repeat it and inform you when it becomes true? Sure, I could recall previous ones and tell you how they became true. I think your skepticism would be the same either way.

The things I do foresee when I have a vision are very specific to me as a focus. Sorry that it doesn't work like you would want. I don't stuff like people I never met crashing in airplanes or whatever test you are thinking of.

Doubt if you wish, I have tried to be nice about it, but I will say flat out that I don't care what your opinion is. This subject matter must not be something you are actually very interested in, hence your closed mindedness.

The point of the thread is not about me. Never was, and sorry that you thought that it was. It is about that such abilities are inherited traits. And not overly different than hair or eye color in that regard.

As far as what Randi believes in....not much, including the love of a good woman from what I have read. So I could care less about a guy less known for being a magician than Doug Henning. And better known as a bitter old fart.

Close minded? Me? I'm just trying to find the truth. You don't like the truth? I'm not the one being defensive here.

Extraordinary claims demands extraordinary proof. Otherwise your outlandish claims are just harming real people trying to do real research here.

An easy way to test your "precog" would be to open an online diary thread here on ATS. We can then verify it against actual events.

Or aren't you worried that this might be an onset of something more serious medically?

Regardless, I think I have my answer judging from your responses. Let me reiterate: Extraordinary claims demands extraordinary proof. Otherwise your outlandish claims are just harming real people trying to do real research here.

reply to post by postmeme


I have said it repeatedly, last time I will say it. The thread is not about me. The thread topic is about such abilities being genetically inherited. Got it, yet? Stay on topic or start your own topic in a separate thread. Thank you.

Originally posted by Ahabstar
reply to post by postmeme

 

I have said it repeatedly, last time I will say it. The thread is not about me. The thread topic is about such abilities being genetically inherited. Got it, yet? Stay on topic or start your own topic in a separate thread. Thank you.

The thread IS about you. Look at your original thread. Its ALL about your "feeling" that paranormal abilities are based in genetics & how you & your relatives have powers.

Your original thread WAS about you & your relatives with opinions about how abilities are genetically inherited with zero evidence backed up by only anecdotes.

Nowhere did you post any evidence of said abilities. And we forumers are expected to accept everything you say? I thought ATS was based on Denying Ignorance & looking for the Truth?

This is a public forum for public discussion. If you are not looking for open discourse then make a private chat or forum of your own.

Extraordinary claims like this require extraordinary proof. Otherwise outlandish claims without proof only harms future researchers & the rest of us who are looking for proof & the truth.

I am looking for the truth, nothing more.

From what I have read, here are three possible guesses. This is considering 'psychic' gifts.

1. Everyone has them. Some people have it better because the people they are around have learned from people they were around, ect. ect. Based on the who-knows-who situation.

2. Genetic #1: If your lifestyle, trends, mood/attitude, behaviors, ect. are transferable in DNA, then so would be the adaptation of psychic abilities. ie: pops never had no powers, seeks answers, finds he has a gift. His kids grow up to ask about 'gifts'. Some are sensitive, maybe all. ect.

3. Genetic #2: If it is based purely on DNA and lineage, this means the people who are 'psychic' or have 'gifts' got it from their ancestors.

Nobody from either side of my family has ever volunteered to tell me about any interesting things like this, and I've never asked. But - my mom's side has had alot of paranormal like, ghosts/visitations. yikes.

"Move along now, nothing to see here." - Officer Barbrady

Anyhow continuing on from my last post

Which led me to wonder if the catalyst for most people is puberty ? A time of intense hormonal upheavals - resulting in massive alchemical processes of change and transformation ? This would coincide with documented cases of poltergeist activity ( which the scientific community deem a form of telekinesis - psychokinesis ) a phenomena that predominantly but not exclusively - seems to affect young teenage girls. We could also tie this period of time in with Indigenous groups initiation rites which generally occur when younger members of the tribe reach puberty. While there are many different Native American religious practices, most address the following areas of "supernatural concern": an omnipresent, invisible "universal force," "taboo," pertaining to the "three 'life crises' of birth, puberty, and death," "spirits," " visions," the "shaman," and "communal ceremony." The Aborigines initiation rites centred around the potency of the "Dreaming" , and this Dreaming constituted the sacredness of the earth. Only in extraordinary states of consciousness can one be aware of, or attuned to, the inner dreaming of the Earth - The expression 'Dreamtime' is most often used to refer to the 'time before time', or 'the time of the creation of all things', while 'Dreaming' is often used to refer to an individuals or group's set of beliefs or spirituality. So in essence I wonder if it is our environment our experiences - the family / communities acceptance of such phenomena ( spiritual / paranormal ) that are the keys to developing psychic abilities ? or alternatively blocking them ?

For those that have difficulty digesting information regarding psychic / supernatural phenomena - I would just like you to take one brief moment to reflect on nature / science - all you need is one small catalyst to trigger change on a momentous scale. Just take lightning for example - lightning is produced in thunderstorms when liquid and ice particles above the freezing level collide, and build up large electrical fields in the clouds. Once these electric fields become large enough, a giant "spark" occurs between them, like static electricity, reducing the charge separation. The temperature inside a lightning bolt can reach 50,000 degrees F, hotter than the surface of the sun. The Cosmos - life and evolution are all the direct result of chemical reactions - why would the expansion of human consciousness be any different ?