What will what happen to the TPTB if the Nazis Won world war 2

What will what happen to the TPTB if the Nazis Won world war 2? Will they be destroyed by the Nazis or is it business as usual according to the TPTB?

reply to post by starwarsisreal


Your post makes no sense, at least to me. What do you mean "what will
happen"? Will is future. Will they be destroyed? Don't you know what has happened in history? Your whole line of questioning makes no sense at
all.

reply to post by starwarsisreal

What will what happen to the TPTB if the Nazis Won world war 2

If you want one interpretation, rent the movie "Fatherland". It was a very good movie and it pretty much answers your question, at least in the view of Robert Harris, the author of the novel.

reply to post by starwarsisreal


I have actually researched this topic and it is my belief that the Nazis were trying to destroy TPTB. They wanted to install their own brand of rule over the world and TPTB stood in their way. They also felt wronged by those so called powers for what they did to Germany during and directly after WWI. Sure many of the elites invested in the Nazi war machine, but that was only a hedge strategy, IMO, because of the awesome strength in the movement.

--airspoon

if the Nazi's had won WWII they WOULD BE your "PTB."

I believe Germany would have eventually developed the first A-bomb if given more time and that they would have destroyed Japan and any other axis powers that refused to rescind their command.

Question if kind of silly if you ask me, there are millions of scenarios.

reply to post by endtimer


This is a what if scenario. And here's the correction What would have happened to the TPTB if the nazis took over

Something already happened way back in history.
I think there are a couple of videos around about tptb.
Really not good enough.
As far as the science of Tesla which is the true science of
nature, that is under control of tptb.
We are left with an avoidance science to secure their understanding.
ED: The Nazi were out to conquer the oil companies and somehow
kill a lot of people. Who knows what would happen with the free
energy they developed. Perhaps nothing would change from
what we now know now and wars would continue except a lot worse.
Not too many have disclosed or come close and remained alive.


[edit on 5/15/2010 by TeslaandLyne]

Sadly friend , I think that you will find that they did win the war ( by stealth ) and they are the TPTB . There has been a lot of talk for example of Prescott Bush as Hitlers banker and so on .Many have called TPTB the Fourth Riech . This is very insightful however , inside their (TPTB) Circle they refer to themselves as the seventh Riech . I would like to add alot more to this , yet that would require a New Thread which I can't start yet as I don't have enough threads being new to ATS . There are some interesting clues connected to the Beatles and the Yellow Submarine . Sounds strange I know , but life can be stranger than fiction .I have given some subtle clues and I will leave it at that for now .

Originally posted by 13th Zodiac
Sadly friend , I think that you will find that they did win the war ( by stealth ) and they are the TPTB .

I agree, but there is other reasons.

Before the official outbreak of WWII Europe was fighting a civil war in Spain that was really a revolution of the working classes against TPTB, which happened to be the fascist Spanish government. This was just the start of what would have been a European communist/socialist revolution against fascism which was becoming all too popular (Spain, Italy, Germany). Many countries were getting involved on the side of the revolutionaries, socialists, communists, and anarchists. They were fighting the Nazi's in Spain before it was called WWII, but history books don't like to make this connection, because then it's too easy to see what was really happening, Class War.

So we get a complete war supposedly against this Fascism, but in reality TPTB new the revolution was coming and was serious, so they decided to take control of it (as they always do) by effectively putting all the working class fighting against each under the illusion they were fighting fascism. What TPTB were really doing was squashing the communist/socialist uprising by basically killing off a huge amount of the working classes. Hitler was a scapegoat allowed and financed by Capitalists to destroy the working class will and power. Thatcher did the same in the eighties, in a less spectacular way.

Then at the end of the war Fascism was instigated world wide. Government, Capitalists (owners of the means of production), and the corporations working together to exploit and control the worlds population to keep the ruling classes ruling, and the working classes in their place which according to TPTB is chained to a work bench with the minimum needed for survival. Financial stability and freedom is the privilege of TPTB, an illusion for the rest of us.

reply to post by ANOK


Thank you friend , sorry that I did not elaborate more . Sadly history is about to repeat again .

Things of tptb we do not get too close to, even to this day:

I knew that General Patton, on his 1945 saucer-hunt, had been ordered to
destroy 200 of the celestial navigation systems which he had found in a salt
cave, deep beneath the Peenemunde complex. Tesla had developed and
flight-tested such a navigational system in conjunction with the Sperry
Gyroscope Company in 1917. The device I saw on the salvage pile met all
the criteria for the device I knew had to exist, and it was made in Germany,
by Lizt, on October 1,1943.

Since I discussed the device with several people, word soon reached Sandia
Base Security that I had it. In their investigation, they went to Mark, who
told them he had purchased it from a guy who usually brought stuff
released to salvage by Sandia Base. They could not confiscate the device
from me, because I had a bill of sale, and Mark had one too. Mark told me
later that the security people had told him that the employee from Sandia
had stolen the pile of classified salvage and sold it to him. The employee
was placed under surveillance, caught doing it again, and sent to jail.

(see under first graphic above FLYING SUBMARINES?)

Patton won the war yet got too close to what tptb desire.
Lyne did not discuss the circumstances of Patten's end but he
related to me a close rendition of what conspiracy theories might relate.

Then again in the present day be wary of company secrets.
We may work out whole life and not find such secrets.
Bloomberg took some customers from a firm and got his own data
line setting up his own company. Intel was an IBM offshoot.
Microsoft bought out an operating system. But get too close to
the ether science of Tesla and there is no free energy for you.

Originally posted by 13th Zodiac
Sadly friend , I think that you will find that they did win the war ( by stealth ) and they are the TPTB . There has been a lot of talk for example of Prescott Bush as Hitlers banker and so on. Many have called TPTB the Fourth Reich. This is very insightful however , inside their (TPTB) Circle they refer to themselves as the Seventh Reich.

Sadly sir, you have hit the nail right on the head. PB is one of the key "players" in our country's downhill slide. Investigation of his dealings while a partner in Brown Brothers Harriman (UBC & Thyssen) and his bringing of Nixon and Eisenhower into the political arena and its implications. Bay of Pigs, JFK, and Vietnam come to mind.

Bankers never lose a war. They're "working" both sides.

reply to post by endtimer


You have to remember that ATS is not an American (or English) site, it is worldwide. It is possible that the OP does not speak English as a first language. Or he/she simply made a mistake when typing the post.

In a way, the nazis did win. Those that supported and funded them got away clean and carried on their evil plans.

reply to post by starwarsisreal


If you read Jim Marrs' book "The Rise of the Fourth Reich", you will see that many of the powers that be were helping the Nazis with armaments and other supplies. Names from the Bush family to the Rockefellers were involved. Many of the industry of the Nazis still exists today.

Project Paperclip brought in more than just rocket scientists to work with pharmaceuticals to help create drugs that we use to treat depression and "ADHD" to drug children.

The book asks the question of whether or not the Nazis actually lost.

Originally posted by airspoon
reply to post by starwarsisreal

 

I have actually researched this topic and it is my belief that the Nazis were trying to destroy TPTB. They wanted to install their own brand of rule over the world and TPTB stood in their way. They also felt wronged by those so called powers for what they did to Germany during and directly after WWI. Sure many of the elites invested in the Nazi war machine, but that was only a hedge strategy, IMO, because of the awesome strength in the movement.

--airspoon

Exactly. This is about as close to the truth as anyone gets in this thread. Approximately when all is said and done, The PTB = "World Jewry", same thing.

Jim Marrs and his ilk is about the worst kind of disinformation theory out there. It relies on the ignorance of the masses about the scope and significance of things that may well be true in themselves yet hopelessly twisted in his hands. It's an affront to Occam's razor, it's intellectually lazy in its equation of nazism with Evil (just the thing the actual PTB have spouted up your ass for 65 years plus now through its control of the movies and media) and it panders to a naive sense of US patriotism. How? Well, it saves Americans from having been lured into fighting on the side of the PTB and acting their tool in the destruction of the fascist rebellion (not that you particularly have to love fascism). Instead, you can now relax in the comfortable belief that landing on the Normandy beach head actually had something to do with fighting the PTB, *lol*.
So it's cheap and easily chewed like the nutrient devoid slice of white bread trash theory it is, maybe particularly if you're Anglo-American.

What would have happened if the Nazis had won against the PTB? We would likely have antigravity now, colonies on Mars and no secrecy about UFO's. Hush hush, cover ups and compulsive lying about everything in the snugly perceived self interest of the chosen few simply does not combine very well with the Germanic mind.

[edit on 16-5-2010 by Tussilago]

reply to post by Tussilago


Intellectually lazy to equate evil with a regime that sought to wipe out entire groups of people, using concentration camps?

Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross
reply to post by Tussilago

 

Intellectually lazy to equate evil with a regime that sought to wipe out entire groups of people, using concentration camps?

Yes! If you make the jump from concentration camps to World Conquest by UFO's in the service of an eternally Evil PTB you are not only intellectually lazy but a complete idiot. That worthless # like Marrs's drivel gets believed by so many is just perfect evidence of how successfully conditioned we are.
How come no one believes some surviving Soviet commies are the PTB? They had concentration camps too and a lot more of them and actually did try to wipe out entire groups of people (only they didn't use fanciful gas chambers and similar stuff right out of the pages of a comic book). Oh yes, it's not half as sexy as the black uniformed SS with a silver skull on the cap, pulling the switch on the technological marvel mythical gas chamber, lately come UFO base in Antarctica.

[edit on 16-5-2010 by Tussilago]

reply to post by Tussilago


True, the leap to flying saucers is pretty stupid. I don't like those parts of Marrs' books. He does talk about the Soviets though. So do Daniel Estulin and Antony Sutton. Both sides were/are members of the PTB/NWO/Illumitti/whatever you want to call them.

You however, call the PTB, "World Jewry" without explaining why the PTB would allow millions of their own people to be killed under both the nazis and the communists.

[edit on 16-5-2010 by InvisibleAlbatross]

Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross
reply to post by Tussilago

 

True, the leap to flying saucers is pretty stupid. I don't like those parts of Marrs' books. He does talk about the Soviets though. So do Daniel Estulin and Antony Sutton. Both sides were/are members of the PTB/NWO/Illumitti/whatever you want to call them.

You however, call the PTB, "World Jewry" without explaining why the PTB would allow millions of their own people to be killed under both the nazis and the communists.

[edit on 16-5-2010 by InvisibleAlbatross]

Whoever the PTB are, or were at a given moment - it's an identity hiding label, something like "X", not making any pretense to refer to an actual concrete group - those with a lot of power and influence in the FDR administration, certainly urging him on in his universal righteousness idea of trying to get the US into an unprovoked war with Nazi Germany for the sake of "humanity", were naturally anxious that their ethnic brethren had lost all their power in continental Europe and were liable for persecution, deportation and even death.

The PTB in that sense did not allow millions of their own people to get killed by the Nazis. On the contrary, by throwing the United States into a war with Nazi Germany, the PTB as "World Jewry" - as for instance in the shape of the Jewish controlled press - likely did only what they thought were best for their own people, especially in the long run.

As for the Soviet Union, it only turned antisemitic in post war years, Stalin laying the foundations for that with his socialism in one country strategy, favouring the Russian etnicity. The original Bolshevik Russia of Lenin and Trotsky on the other hand was largelly headed by Jews and almost universally supported by Jews the world over. A walk on the Lower East Side of Manhattan anytime in the 20's would had convinced you of the uncontroversial nature of that fact.

[edit on 16-5-2010 by Tussilago]

No matter how worthless the UFO free energy is today the problem
is the science truly exists.
And some people developed it and others thought it important and
others paid for it.
It lies hidden under the many events of WWII.
Can they cruise the skies invisible in daylight or night and blast
down ether vibration rays to topple tall buildings.
A handy piece of equipment and science worth while running
continuously and well hidden.
A science that is a possible aid to keep tptb at the moment gravy train
on track.
Perhaps one goes to the next grandfather that took over from Hitler.
I need a favor grandfather to start a war for more oil deliveries.