Petty Dems hesitate to honor Reagan

Christopher Hitchens, a LIBERAL????????????? ARE YOU SERIOUS?
You just gave me the best laugh of the day.
Are you talking about the Hitchens who spent almost 3 years tearing a new orifice for Bill Clinton! A liberal? Hahahahahahahhahahahaha���.
One day he�s a liberal the next day a socialist. Most recently he�s been described as a late for dinner Neo-Con���
The man is a professional iconoclast. A brilliant, prolific writer and critic. But a liberal!
Son you need to study up a bit���.your lack of knowledge is showing.
I have included some items on Hitchens for your edification.
Christopher Hitchens is "Critic at Large" for Vanity Fair, writes the Minority Report column for The Nation, and is a frequent guest on current affairs and commentary television programs. He has written numerous books on international current affairs, including Blood, Class and Nostalgia: Anglo-American Ironies.

CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS, NEOCON
www.antiwar.com...

Christopher Hitchens
users.rcn.com...

reason.com...


A BIG PS���.
If you think what you quoted from Hitchens is means and nasty, you don�t know the man. Those quotes are Hitchens flatteries of Reagan.

Hitchens! A LIBERAL���..very funny.

What part of Kerry Postpones Campaign to Honor Reagen don't you get?

GMCnulty already posted the link... Kerry (NOT BUSH) Postpones Campaigning

June 5, 2004 10:38 p.m. EST

WASHINGTON - Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry plans to take time off the campaign trail to observe Ronald Reagan's death, saying Americans "bow their heads in prayer and gratitude that President Reagan left such an indelible stamp on the nation he loved."

He's cancelled at least five fundraising appearances over the next WEEK which translates to a possible loss of millions and ZERO media coverage. Is Bush doing the same?

Oh my God no. This is the answer to Karl Rove's campaigning prayers.

Dear Sweet Jesus, if you won't give me Bin Laden, please let Reagen die...

As for that slapstick article about "Petty Dems" allow me to fill in the gaps...

Nancy Pelosi doesn't send flowers at Nancy Regean's request. And the DNC doesn't lower flag until White House does. Those MONSTERS!

Originally posted by RANT
He's cancelled at least five fundraising appearances over the next WEEK which translates to a possible loss of millions and ZERO media coverage. Is Bush doing the same?

Oh my God no. This is the answer to Karl Rove's campaigning prayers.

Yeah, Rant, I don't think Bush is doing any campaigning this week. I think he'll be at the G-7 beginning tomorrow. Or do you think that it should have been cancelled?

Originally posted by gmcnulty
Christopher Hitchens, a LIBERAL????????????? ARE YOU SERIOUS?
You just gave me the best laugh of the day.

That was the intended effect.

Son you need to study up a bit���.your lack of knowledge is showing.

Umm, it was sarcasm. Why else would I quote statements critical of Reagan and his administration? But I'm glad you laughed -- as I said, that was the desired reaction.

They have no shame........... to use the man's death to take cheap political shots.........................Have they no honor? ........even a shred of decency.................


Leave the man alone; let him rest in peace.

Originally posted by gmcnulty
Christopher Hitchens

Chris Hitchens is brilliant. I wouldn't characterize him as either a liberal or conservative, but an equal opportunity destroyer. Case in point:

Though the 52-year-old Hitchens clearly enjoys mocking the famous and the powerful -- he once derided the House of Windsor for "sucking off [Britain�s] national tit" -- he�s no mere gadfly. In books such as The Missionary Position, No One Left to Lie To, and The Trial of Henry Kissinger, he has crafted thoughtful and provocative extended indictments of Mother Teresa, Bill Clinton, and the former secretary of state and Nobel Peace Prize winner; his recent collection, Unacknowledged Legislation: Writers in the Public Sphere, was reviewed in the July issue of REASON. (See "Literary Legislators.")

The Mo Theresa piece was scathing, but fascinating.

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No DTOM. I don't think Bush should cancel anything.

I've particularly enjoyed the all Reagen/all Bush/all the time networks this weekend and hope it goes on forever.

Nothing's happening anywhere in the world but Reagen's funeral as far as I'm concerned.

I think to get more coverage out of it from Normandy for example, Bush should have slipped on a WWII paratrooper's outfit and landed on top of Chancellor Schroder bayonett down screaming This one's for the Gipper!

That'd teach those petty Dems.

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Originally posted by ThePrankMonkey
seemed like nixon was giving more respect and i thought he was hated more than reagan...or am i wrong on this???

Im very sure your right. Nixon was hated way more than Reagan mostly because of the Vietnam War.

Originally posted by AD5673
Nixon was hated way more than Reagan mostly because of the Vietnam War.

Now don't get me wrong here, I'm no fan of Nixon, but he got us out of Vietnam. This was Kennedy and Johnson's war. Try Watergate.

Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, and one could even throw Eisenhower in with those US President's having a hand in Vietnam, not restricted to just Nixon.



seekerof

STOP PRESS!
Petty Republicans Pissed Off Democrats Refuse to Worship Reagan!!

Seriously, what is the point of this thread and why isn't it in the pit?
Reagan was no angel, he wasn't all bad either but he's far from the saintly reverence some would like to see. Don�t get me wrong, respect for the dead, yes, but to a point. I have temporary reflective and tactful respect for the guy that died down my street yesterday, even though he was a knob of the highest order. I have far more respect for those who die every minute of every day from a preventable cause, or in the course of trying to change their lot.

I've never understood the pedestal Americans put their Presidents on, as if gaining the office turns them into some kind of demigod. If you treated a Prime Minister in the U.K like that you'd be sanctioned. In the U.K it makes for a healthy cynicism. In the U.S it makes for unhealthy permissiveness and a transfer of authority.

You know there is something to be said for the original topic here:

As for the praise of Regan on the television in America, I see no problem with it at all, he was president and Republicans did like him. A weekend of specials and such has an audience and is founded.

As for the Dems being slow to show honor, well Republicans he was a member of your party, we'll let you do the honors. Many Dems believe as I do that Regan was one of the worst presidents in our nation's history. However it would be inappropriate for a party official to mention such to the media now. He was elected president by the people and that does deserve respect. A few kind words to the family and a public saying of godspeed should be enough for people who really didn't like him.

In short, we liberals will let you mourn and honor Regan as you see fit, Republicans should be the one to burry a Republican hero. We'll be as gracious as is appropriate and the passing of any president is a loss, but please don't ask us to view the body or deliver an adress on him.

How about this, we stay quiet now and you stay quiet when Clinton dies.

~Astral

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Originally posted by gmcnulty
You folks slay me. Have you no shame. You/Yours make mean-spirited backbiting slanders on others with out proof or example��..Folks as this are the slime of the earth���.

.......and then other accept what you say as true????????????

SHOCKING, MORE SO THEN YOUR nefarious ways............

Here is what really happened������..


Kerry reaction to death of Ronald Reagan
It is a measure of the enormity of Ronald Reagan's presence on the American political landscape that U.S. Senator John Kerry, the presumptive Democratic nominee for president, issued the following statement earlier today from his home on Beacon Hill.
�Ronald Reagan's love of country was infectious. Even when he was breaking Democrats hearts, he did so with a smile and in the spirit of honest and open debate. Despite the disagreements, he lived by that noble ideal that at 5pm we weren't Democrats or Republicans, we were Americans and friends. President Reagan and Tip O'Neill fought hard and honorably on many issues, and sat down together to happily swap jokes and the stories of their lives. The differences were real, but because of the way President Reagan led, he taught us that there is a big difference between strong beliefs and bitter partisanship.
�He was the voice of America in good times and in grief. When we lost the brave astronauts in the Challenger tragedy, he reminded us that, �Nothing ends here; our hopes and our journeys continue.�
�Now, his own journey has ended-a long and storied trip that spanned most of the American century-and shaped one of the greatest victories of freedom. Today in the face of new challenges, his example reminds us that we must move forward with optimism and resolve. He was our oldest president, but he made America young again.
�Our prayers are with his family, and the wife he loved in a way all the world could see. And to the end, she loved him with courage and complete devotion. She helped all of us better understand the cruel disease that took him away before it took his life, and what we must do to prevent and cure it.
�Teresa and I and our family extend our deepest sympathies to Nancy Reagan and the Reagan family. Today, from California to Maine - �from sea to shining sea� - Americans will bow their heads in prayer and gratitude that President Reagan left such an indelible stamp on the nation he loved.�
www.capecodonline.com...
(IT SHOULD BE NOTED THE KERRY STATEMENT WAS ISSUED MORE THEN 4 HOURS BEFORE BUSH GOT AROUND TO MAKING A PUBLIC STATEMENT.)
ALSO:

Kerry Postpones Campaign to Honor Reagan
www.allheadlinenews.com...

NB I DEMAND you either PROVE the charge you make in you subject line or edit it to Reflect reality.


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While I am FAR from being a John Kerry fan, I give him credit for putting politics aside with his words on former President Reagan. Whather they were true or not, he was willing to put polotics aside. And for that I thank him. I also thank Sen. Edward Kennedy, who seemed to put politics aside. Personally I very much dislike these 2 men. But they're comments about the former president, real or not, They have given me hope that they are both human beings.
A man who was elected by the people twice has passed on...whether you agree with him or not...SHOW him some respect. He was elected twice, twice he was the President of the US. The greatest country in the world...(At least to historians) BUt he served us. Maybe we all didn't agree with him, (But that what makes this country great) But he was our leader for 8 years. Personally I give him a spot in our top 5 Presidents. The man ended the COLDWAR without a shot being fired.
Love him or hate him...Atleast RESPECT him in death as a man who served our country, with what he believed to be true!!!

MR. PRESIDENT, MAY THE LORD BE WITH YOU!!!

Originally posted by CSRules

MR. PRESIDENT, MAY THE LORD BE WITH YOU!!!

And don't forget to eat your packets of ketchup! You know ketchup is a vegetable.

Originally posted by HeirToBokassa
That was the intended effect.

Son you need to study up a bit���.your lack of knowledge is showing.

Well you sure had me going...............God only know what the man's going to be each time he rolls out of bed.........

Originally posted by CSRules
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MR. PRESIDENT, MAY THE LORD BE WITH YOU!!!

Righteously said........ AMEN.

You know...there's a few people that were left out of the Reagan mourning ceremony. But I'm sure they would want to say a few final words.
Here's a sample...

About 3 million people from El Salvador wanted to be there but they couldn't. They're dead. They were killed in a civil war that was financed, trained and supported militarilly by the Reagan administration. Why? Because the poor people decided to organize and vote in a system of government that had theirs not the American Business interest at heart...and boy did they pay for that.
Thats THREE million people folks.
Wait...there's more
There were some folks from Nicaragua. They also choose a government of the people, by the people and for the people. They also decided to "nationalize" the countries resources and companies. This made Rich American business people very unhappy. Reagan and Bush thus began an ILLEGAL war. Thats right kiddies. IT VIOLATED THE CONSTITUTION. They began selling arms and training leaders to retake the country militarilly. This included, but was not limiited, to the famous "Death Squads" of Central America. You see, there were some Catholic missionaries that were living among the squalor and poverty of the people in that country. They started to do some radical interpreting of the Bible and tried to organize the people so they might have a little more. I believe there's something in that book about that...but don't quote me. Anyhow, Mr Reverent Reagan (and the powers behind him) decided that was a bad idea. If poor people around the world fell behind that example it would mean that they would be unable to exploit the cheap labor and natural resources of a country all over the world. And that was a god/given/right of the rich. So an illegal war was started. On the flip side...to finance a war that violated the constitiution they inturn had to sell WMD to...damn, what was that guy's name....Saddam or something...anyhow...he in turn used those WMD against his own people. I think the estimates are between 10,000 and 50,000 deaths. I'm sure all those people missed the fact that they would be unable to honor Ronald Reagan. But back to Nicaragua. The Soveriegn country became so scared of the US that they went to the world court. They presented evidence that the US was behind the people trying to take over a "democratically" elected government. The world court agree and found the US the ONLY SOVERIGN GOVERNMENT EVER TO BE CONVICTED OF STATE SPONSORED TERRORISM.
Understand what that means kids. Say it with me..."found the US the ONLY SOVERIGN GOVERNMENT EVER TO BE CONVICTED OF STATE SPONSORED TERRORISM."
So Congress passes legislation OUTLAWING in even harsher tones the ILLEGAL war in Nicaragua. What does this revered president do??? THe man who takes the oath to uphold the constitution and the enforce the laws of the land???
He ignored it. In fact, they increased the financing by 100 million dollars a year. In order to find this new money they contracted the CIA to begin controlling the coc aine industry (anybody seen the movie Blow?)
So what we have now is called Iran/Contra affair. Anybody remember that? Take your hand off your heart and your head out of your ass for a few minutes and read on...
So we have an impeachment proceeding...or at least an attempt at one. Ollie North becomes famous for saying that he knew he violated the law but he held himself to a higher standard...god's law..and that America had a "God-Given right to do what she wanted". Nice huh? He is currently contracted by that "fair and balanced network"..whats it called???
So..the man we're all supposed to remain silent and revernet about comes to testify "uner oath" and makes his famous utterance, "I can't recall, Senator." I believe he made that statment around 55 times. THATS 55 TIMES KIDDIES???!!! I thinks thats a tremendous example of respect for law and the acountability of the executive branch, to the people.
As a side note...the estimates range from 100,000 to 300,000 men women and children killed by the war on Nicaragua. Can anyone guess how many WTC's would have to fall to equal that?
What do you think would be reaction in this country to that many people being killed by state terrorism???
On a final note. Sad to say but all the people that were "named" by Ronald Reagan in the "communism" scare of the 1950's were unable to nake the funeral arrangement. You guys remember that right??? That's when there was a witch hunt goin around the country for the umpteenth time...this time it wasn't "witches" that were tearing the fabric of the country apart...it was "Reds". Godless/ammoral Commies. The problem was that nobody took the issue seriously at first. There had been hearings and such but you had a population that had just fought the facism in Europe and they weren't ready to bow down before another...at least not yet. So up steps a young Ronald Reagan who "promises" to name names in the film industry and actors guild. He does so...ruining the careers of many people. There was never any convictions for the accusations but it didn't matter, the media did their part and those people never worked again. This also showed the powers that be that He was a "go-to" guy when it came time to be a puppet. And this is exactly what he did for the rest of his life.
So go ahead and honor this actor. He was certainly good enough to snow you and most of the american public. However, judging by what passes for artisic qualityin this country, I don't think thats a tremendous feat.
But revere away....the man who was "standing tall" after we invaded Grenada with 6,000 men to overcome 50 armed militia. And dont forget the war that was setup on false propoganda...a "terror attack on a German Disco"...thats right kids...I'm talking about Libya. Remember that??? (on a side note, its often been suspected that the CIA was responsible for the attack as a way of mobilizing the populace to the invasion...but our government would never do that...would they...)
Well, if you get a chance to turn off Fox New's slathering and slobering over "the gipper" for a moment, you might want to actually research the man, his policies and actions. Go for it! I applaud you!
Me,
Well, personally Im glad he's dead. I thought he had been gone for years...but my heart goes out to those he destroyed...the millions of poor, unable to fight back.
Goodbye Ronnie, its time for you to pay your karmic debt...and I suspect that its really gonna hurt.

"There is no friend anywhere" - Lao Tse

Originally posted by Voice_of Doom

Someone of similar temperment...........
www.gregpalast.com...

Looking at the leaders of the Democratic Party and the controlling elements of that party, I'm ashamed to have once been a Democrat.

The Democrats' leaders trash religion, support late-term abortion, block the search and development of oil even though science clearly shows there would be no danger to the environment given today's technologies, and support so many other crackpot ideas, that I don't understand how any sane person could support the Democratic Party anymore.

The organization now seems to be separated from reality. The party's membership during the times of Truman, Roosevelt and Kennedy has been replaced with some bitter, arrogant and half-educated people who - unfortunately - are still allowed to vote.

Robert Walker O'Neal