NATO code compromise in Polish Plane Crash

NATO code compromise in Polish Plane Crash

www.washingtontimes.com

The recent crash of a Polish military transport that killed most of Warsaw's senior civilian and military leaders was not only a human catastrophe for a key U.S. ally. NATO sources said that, in addition to the loss of nearly 100 pro-U.S. Polish leaders, the crash provided Moscow with a windfall of secrets.

The crash killed Polish President Lech Kaczynski in western Russia on April 10 and decapitated Poland's military, killing two service chiefs, key military aides and several national security officials, many of whom were carrying computers and pocket memory sticks that contained sensit

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WOW! So. This is part of the reason the Russians were so eager to take over the investigation.

Does this not just add to the conspiracy? Now I can really believe that the Russians had something to do with this. At least, this is the reason the Poles weren't allowed on the crash site and why they've been shunned from the investigation.

:O What do you guys think?

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I think that's where the Russians got the cajones to "pressure" OBAMA! into relaxing his stance on Iran sanctions. Also, full speed ahead with Syria, Turkey, etc.

Honestly. I was thinking about that.

Russia warns U.S. against unilateral Iran sanctions

Russia's getting 'ballsy' nowadays. They're building nuclear plants in Syria and Turkey and just sticking their necks out come time for WW3.

Maybe they have information that NATO never wanted them to see, they don't like it, and so are pretty much ready to fight NATO.

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5 flags, 4 replies... Where's the discussion?

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I'm sure the actual crash (conspiracy or otherwise) yeilded a lot of information to the Russians in the terms of computer kit, phones, papers etc..

I'm not sure who was behind it, but it does seem convenient for some given the current climate..

I honeslty think Russia's stance is simply becuase it is taking advantage of America's perceived weakness not just in it's leader and change of direction but also in America's economic issues..

It is in my opinion simple opportunism.. and this crash really handed a lot of things to Russia, which I am sure they'll use to their advantage.

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It's really convinient and Russia, evidently, took advantage of the situation. I think Russia definitely was opportunitistic with the crash, whether or not they were behind it.

Begs the question, if they were behind it, only to get various types of information, why would they need it so much and so soon to crash a plane?

Interesting. Although the source of information (The Washington Times) should be treated with some apprehension. (they've been known to further certain agendas in the past)

There's definitely a lot of fingers pointing at Russia, but my gut tells me that this is a misdirection.

Personally I am leaning towards the EU/Rothchild faction as those responsible for the crash.

The Polish president was a known EU skeptic and has been a problem for the Union before.
Poland also devalued their currency just before the crash, which was a blow to the economic interests of the Eurozone, which is under a lot of pressure as it is.

On a side note the plane crash with EU critic Nigel Farage was also highly suspicious and points to a definite M.O. in my opinion

Originally posted by Portugoal
5 flags, 4 replies... Where's the discussion?

So you judge the thread SOLEY on flags? Flags shouldnt even figure in the process.

Replies will come if the thread is of interest to people, if not it will die a pretty quick death. Plus its been only 2 hours since you authored this thread. Please quit begging for a discussion, its very unbecoming.

Back on track.

Does everyone think the ruskies took adavntage of a tragic situation and grabbed NATO data, or do you feel russia CAUSED the situation to, in part, grab NATO data?

If we find that russia downed this plane and the US being cosy with Poland, what do you think our and NATO's response should be?
The cold war is NOT over my friends, and it never was!

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...Well. If something's flagged, it is deemed important. I always find it confusing when people flag something but don't comment. I'm not begging for anything. I just thought if there's enough flags, you'd figure people would be discussing, that's all.

Originally posted by MrVertigo

Personally I am leaning towards the EU/Rothchild faction as those responsible for the crash.

Well how would that make sense. If the EU is behind it, why would they allow Russia to end up with all the information. Russia is a threat. They have ties with Iran remember?

I'm leaning towards the possibility that Russia downed the plane in order to attain information. If this is the answer to why it crashed, the next question would be, why do they need it so soon as to crash a plane for it.

Downing a plane to extract information seems very risky from my limited knowledge of computers. Could all the computers and memory sticks been damaged beyond use during a fire or something?

Originally posted by LexTalionis
Downing a plane to extract information seems very risky from my limited knowledge of computers. Could all the computers and memory sticks been damaged beyond use during a fire or something?

The memory would have to be completely crushed to tiny pieces before it would be unrecoverable. Fire would not do the trick.

Im not sure about data sticks but a hard drive needs something like this to ensure that nobody could access information...



Im not an expert though but if businesses are offering data recovery services for things like fires and floods etc then government intelligence might be able to go a little bit further.

On the topic, there is something not smelling right with the whole thing, I think something will reveal itself shortly and anyone trying to find sense of it will understand it.



[edit on 13-5-2010 by XXXN3O]

I'm leaning towards Russia just followed Rahm Immanuel's advice when the plane went down. I heard an interview with a pilot not long ago (during the ash cloud debacle) who basically said if they don't know or want the public to know what caused a crash, it inevitably becomes "pilot error."

Still don't know how Russia could have done this

You just don't put 100 senior government and military officials on the same flight. It is completely unprecedented.

I still think this was the EU's doing and not Russia's...maybe Russia is even in on it, who knows, but I don't think Russia caused this crash.

Double posted that last comment, but I will say this

Either someone within the Polish government or the EU somehow persuaded those planning this trip to do it like this to cause it, or these 100 individuals were never on that flight to begin with.

[edit on 13-5-2010 by SpectreDC]

This sounds plausable enough to me, although I do wonder what on earth a power/force such as NATO are doing allowing top-rank data to be at large without massive encryption and protection, I mean what about a safe storage box on the plane to lock up all data storage devices, rigged to self destruct on impact?

Here in the UK (we are in NATO aren't we?) we have had a series of highly embaressing data leaks and accidents with USB sticks/laptops/notes left on trains etc. over the years..we also had that dreadful mass loss of senior staff in the Scottish Chinook crash. You'd think they(NATO) would learn from that wouldn't you?

In terms of what may push Russia to act, it just reassures what many of us believe I think, which is that due to especially the global financial meltdown, and a variety of other issues like an apparent rush to secure (new/alternative) energy, resources and consequently re-draw the strategic maps, tensions and international competition is fiercer, more unstable and rapidly changing than it has been for a long time - IMO.

I really think the financial crisis was a bigger trigger than has yet been [generally] realised.

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Russia has always had the upper hand in the subterfuge game. If this was not mechanical failure or "true" pilot error, then in my opinion the Russians had a hand in it.

Let's don't forget Alexander Letvinko or Anna Politkovskaya, Russia is pretty blatant when it comes to this stuff...they basically do it and dare anyone to connect the dots.

I don't understand how 100 people could've been on that flight either. But imagine the possibilities Russia has with the info NATO says they may have.

Looks like the U.S. is not the only player in the game that can pull off a massive conspiracy. The U.S. can't condemn this as a deception either because it would give the masses the idea that governments intentionally lie.

if this is true, this is big. this is the type of stuff that happens right before a major conflict.