Former Legislator Makes Statement May 8, 2010 on Un-Released Eisenhower Brief Regarding ET's

Originally posted by DelMarvel

Originally posted by game over man
Does anyone have a link to show that Henry McElroy Jr is who he says he is? All I found was this:

Henry W. McElroy, Jr., Canidate for New Hampshire Hillsborough County District 20

Sorry if he has already been confirmed, if so, a repost would be great.

This page has some info and some links: (from a skeptical orientation)

redstarfilms.blogspot.com...

Can we lay this to rest? This thread is hilarious, do aliens look just like us, is that why there is a cover up?

Can anyone confirm if Henry McElroy Jr is real?

reply to post by Mclaneinc

So it's clear he's asked some people from there to help record it

really? its clear? who asked who? how do you know he was the one requesting help?

He's pre written what he is about to say.

he wrote it did he? the statement is extremely well structured and prepared. Someone spent alot of time writing it most likely several attempts. Yet he looks like he's reading for the first time. It would seem he didnt write it at all imo.

As you can see comments were turned off, this isn't someone who wants to discuss what he said, this was him doing this for him for whatever reason.

what makes you think he was the one who created the youtube channel? art campbells his communication team hes the one orchestrating this.

your not a very good investigator / critical thinker are you, also lacking in common sense it seems.

[edit on 14-5-2010 by yeti101]

Originally posted by yeti101
reply to post by Mclaneinc

 

your not a very good investigator / critical thinker are you, also lacking in common sense it seems.

[edit on 14-5-2010 by yeti101]

Ahhhh... I was waiting for the personal attacks, and here they come. Just because someone doesn't follow your path, they are a bad critical thinker, yeah? And how much investigation have you done? oh, yeah, you googled it. I take back all the nice things I said about you... Seems your mind is already made up no matter what other people think. Tell ya' what... If you really doubt the man, call his office. Find out what he really may have to gain from this. My guess is, not a thing. Same old, same old with you guys.

Originally posted by Mclaneinc
people are still over examining the video in far too much detail and doing 2+2=5 responses..

Just look at what you see on the video..

There's a man who is obviously nervous and feels he has something important to get off his chest. Remember to HIM this is a big deal.

So it's clear he's asked some people from there to help record it.

Oh... The Irony!

IRM

Originally posted by DoomsdayRex

Originally posted by MarrsAttax
Those are possible explanations but not the only ones. However, you don't allow for any alternative explanations in your statement.

Then present a viable alternative.

The alternative is that he is is telling the truth and your suppositions about what the government would reveal and to whom are wrong (I'm not saying that is the truth as I'm not in any position to determine that).

If you could prove conclusively that the government wouldn't show this alleged document to this man then you might have a basis for drawing the conclusions you do. But you cannot prove it as it is a supposition on your part. Therefore your conclusions can only ever be interim ones, not the definitive ones you claim them to be.

If you had stated that, in your opinion, the likelihood is that this man is insane, lying or confused then people would not have been so upset about what you said. But you didn't say that, you stated categorically that he was one of those things - a conclusion that cannot be drawn from your arguments.

That's why you have been been labelled a debunker on this thread by some even though that may be a simplistic response and not taking the totality of your posts on this board into account. I don't believe you are a debunker (in the pejorative sense) but I think in this case your conclusions were too definitive for the arguments that supported them and have given the perception that you must deny that this man is telling the truth at all costs.



[edit on 14/5/2010 by MarrsAttax]

reply to post by yeti101


You may very well be right. I don't pretend to know these people or their motivations or what goes on in their private meetings. I assume you must have good grounds for knowing that they manipulate or strong-arm witnesses into saying things they know are untrue?

I don't think the fact that some UFO witnesses are hoaxers has much relevance to your conclusions. Some swans are black, doesn't mean they all are

no need for me to hear any more. These people are untrustworthy and often work together to intertwine or compliment each others material. Campbells books are a classic example of that. His stuff is a spin off from a fake document. I dont need to hear anymore.

I guess believers aren't the only ones to suffer from Confirmation Bias. Your argument is also heavily based on Guilt by Association.

"no need for me to hear any more" = "La la I'm not listening" ? (sorry couldn't resist)


By the way I've been reading about these subjects for 18+ plus years so I'm not exactly new, though I don't pretend to have an encyclopaedic knowledge of everyone who has ever been involved with the subject.

I always want to hear more. You may be right but I'd need much more before making a determination either way.


[edit on 14/5/2010 by MarrsAttax]

Originally posted by MarrsAttax
reply to post by yeti101

 

"no need for me to hear any more" = "La la I'm not listening" ? (sorry couldn't resist)

Hah! I loved that! I'm with you there, my friend.
Well said! Starred.

reply to post by yeti101


don't mind me, just passing thru...

Interesting you should mention Art Campbell...

"UPDATE: On May 12, 2010, Art Campbell, the foremost researcher into the Eisenhower UFO-E.T. saga, e-mailed me to invite readers to examine the fruits of his labor:
"Great announcement [re McElroy's statement]. You may release this data about what we believe was the second meeting (in 1955) between Ike and the ETs ... "

ufoview.posterous.com...

Got anything else on Art's input into this?

I'll drop another name in for you...Kevin Courtois

loads of info here...

www.alien-ufos.com...

Why wasn't this part of the X-conference?



[edit on 14-5-2010 by transiant]

reply to post by MarrsAttax

assume you must have good grounds for knowing that they manipulate or strong-arm witnesses into saying things they know are untrue?

yes i do but eager belivers arnt interested in the truth or investigating anything. I even know one ufologist who admitted alot of it was rubbish and they know it, he described it as providing a service (to eager belivers) they are the suppliers your are the consumers. i'll leave you lot to your fairy tales have fun.



[edit on 14-5-2010 by yeti101]

reply to post by yeti101


I'm interested in the truth. That's why I want to hear what you have to say. I've not made my mind up and am willing to be convinced either way.

Do you really think saying 'Yes I have grounds' but not stating what they are and then flouncing out of the thread is going to convince me?

Edit to respond to your edit: So you believe a ufologist when he confirms your suspicions but otherwise not?


[edit on 14/5/2010 by MarrsAttax]

Originally posted by yeti101
reply to post by MarrsAttax

 

assume you must have good grounds for knowing that they manipulate or strong-arm witnesses into saying things they know are untrue?

yes i do but eager belivers arnt interested in the truth or investigating anything. I even know one ufologist who admitted alot of it was rubbish and they know it, he described it as providing a service (to eager belivers) they are the suppliers your are the consumers. i'll leave you lot to your fairy tales have fun.



[edit on 14-5-2010 by yeti101]

No yeti
People like you and the ET believers are very much alike. Both run very high on belief. You, will discard everything by saying the same old stuff, mental,mad,attrntion seeker etc, and a beliver will believe everything, with little evidence to back there claim up.

You think you can look at this man for 5 mins and your mind is made up, but even though you will never admit it, your mind was made up even before you viewed this footage. Its sad that these people plague this subject, but its what they love to do.

What started out as a simple post and a pointer to some infomation has turned into a pile of bitch fighting skeptical crap as always.



I wish I had the time to bull# on every comment.

Its not funny guys your more interested in flogging eachother than the post.




[edit on 14/5/10 by Bob Down Under]

Originally posted by yeti101
reply to post by Mclaneinc

 

So it's clear he's asked some people from there to help record it

really? its clear? who asked who? how do you know he was the one requesting help?

He's pre written what he is about to say.

he wrote it did he? the statement is extremely well structured and prepared. Someone spent alot of time writing it most likely several attempts. Yet he looks like he's reading for the first time. It would seem he didnt write it at all imo.

As you can see comments were turned off, this isn't someone who wants to discuss what he said, this was him doing this for him for whatever reason.

what makes you think he was the one who created the youtube channel? art campbells his communication team hes the one orchestrating this.

your not a very good investigator / critical thinker are you, also lacking in common sense it seems.

[edit on 14-5-2010 by yeti101]

What is wrong with you, how can you say I have no common sense when you persist to rant on about something you have no proof of. You are like one of those little terriers that won't let go of a bone and chase it's tail because it loves the sound of it's own yap.

But back on topic, I've never said HE made the site nor created the recording (excellent investigative skills my boy) in fact at the end he thanks his team for doing this.

Who asked who, what sort of a stupid question is that, even worse how do you know who asked who, you don't no more than I do but seem to want to turn this into some sort of dramatic dark secret and a ploy of some sort..Get a grip..

I do know he asked for the help because he thanks them or is that another under hand ploy by the man as well....Jesus, and you say I have no common sense...

As for the statement, so now you are undermining the man's intelligence, so he can't have written the statement, so as one of Ron Pauls good friends he must be thick then?

(for your info they are good friends)

For someone making rude claims at me you seem to be quite short in the IQ department yourself, but that's ok, you can be as silly as me, I have no ego to bruise...

SO in your almighty all knowing super mental capacity you have decided that it's a prepared statement with an agenda for some reason based on you thinking he's a BS merchant, there's not even the possibility he's just a bit nervous stating what he is doing.

Of course not, he's a thick bloke who's trying to get the limelight with a huge lie........

Amazing skills there, not one ounce of common reasoning skills but amazing that you think it's right.

So yeti, you believe what you like but do not start with the name calling when you are showing even less logical thinking than you claim I am. I have no agenda on this forum and nor do I have an ego to be one of the clique, I post what I post and for the most part I believe I'm fair and factual. I don't make up huge claims nor do I hype things just to hear myself.

Critical thinking..LOL.........Critical does not mean biased and non reasoning...

[edit on 14-5-2010 by Mclaneinc]

reply to post by Jay-morris



no actually, i listened to what he said , the way he said it. My spidey senses tingled so knew someone else must be behind it. Investigated found out it i was right that person being Art campbell. Found more about Art and who he associates with. Looked at more of his material. Incidently did you know Art campbell doesnr even claim this is real? interesting.

I Know how these people operate from looking into the past 30 years of ufology. I'm am obviously more informed on this subject than you.

what investigation have you done? have fun with your fairytales.

Originally posted by yeti101
reply to post by Jay-morris

 

no actually, i listened to what he said , the way he said it. My spidey senses tingled so knew someone else must be behind it. Investigated found out it i was right that person being Art campbell. Found more about Art and who he associates with. Looked at more of his material. Incidently did you know Art campbell doesnr even claim this is real? interesting.

I Know how these people operate from looking into the past 30 years of ufology. I'm am obviously more informed on this subject than you.

what investigation have you done? have fun with your fairytales.

So lets see, you have a link to Art Campbell but the same man does not claim it's real?

So why would he involve himself in it?

Surely that leaves 2 choices...

He did it as a favour

He did it to make himself look daft by association....

Sadly we are no nearer the truth either way...

reply to post by Mclaneinc


why dont you do some research yourself? im sick of spoon feeding gullible people becuase they rarely take onboard anything that goes against their beliefs.

Actually Yeti, I tell you what, why don't you tell us mere mortals what is going on here?

Give us your complete version so that we can understand thing properly.

Originally posted by yeti101
reply to post by Mclaneinc

 

why dont you do some research yourself? im sick of spoon feeding gullible people becuase they rarely take onboard anything that goes against their beliefs.

And I'm gullible now?

So at what point have I made myself gullible throughout this whole thread?

I've maintained that although I believe the man I do not know if what he's retelling is the truth. My er er 'spidey senses' give me the impression he's being honest and I have to ask myself what is in it for him, this does make him look a fool to many.

So why say it....

You see, I'm looking from both sides...

So, yet again you act poorly when asked for YOUR proof yet condemn others and class yourself as spoon feeding people. I'm sorry, but if I want feeding I'd prefer to choose a better source, no disrespect and all that.

reply to post by yeti101


The people you are arguing with have no beliefs about the truth of this. Mclaneinc and others have consistently stated that they need more information before drawing conclusions. Because they are not prepared to dismiss the claims outright based solely on your claimed understanding of the motivation of ufologists and ufo witnesses that makes them believers in fairy tales?

Why are you trying to tar everyone who has asked you for more information with the 'believer' brush? Surely you have an interest in educating people or you wouldn't have posted in the first place? Maybe you are tired of spoon feeding us but how will we ever learn if people with the knowledge aren't prepared to share it?

The petulant attitude you are displaying is doing nothing for your arguments which is a shame as it's entirely possible that you are on the right track.

[edit on 14/5/2010 by MarrsAttax]

With the Voyager 2 apparently "hijacked".

They are going to have to move their arses before the ALiens themselves show up.

"Oh hey..world..we er..we kinda lied to you over the past 70+ years..everything in your homes and hands is pretty much alien..durr..err...the aliens are coming..err sorry about the wars fought on our behalf, we just like to feed off the poor..err...Iraq was for the Stargate...err..yeah..no hard feelings?" *cue mass riots and revolution against the governments of the world*

So..if this is real and he is going to present the proof of this..well it all better be handled correctly.