Knife wielders

Having recently read of many crime incidents in China and the UK regarding crimes by knife, I am glad I live in the good ole US of A. A person using a knfe would have to be pretty close to you and an attack by knife seems to me, to be far more fatal.

I would rather die by gun than a gruesome knife attack. There is good chance a gun wielder will miss. And if he doesn't, there is a good chance you will survive if hit. Even if you are hit, chances are you won't feel it due to shock. One can easily act dead if hit by gun fire. If your neck was slashed..........ugh, won't go there.

Please shoot me. Thank you NRA. I pity the "no gun" countries.

The only positive thing about the no gun countries is ....if you see your attacker coming after you with a knife (and not be taken by surprise), you may be able to outrun the ciminal. Provided your not a child, an older person or disabled person.

Eager to hear others thoughts on this.

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Everyone should take a minute to watch the following video. I think it gets the point across and the kids will understand ;D

Knife Safety - Weeble's Stuff

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This is a very interesting topic. I have not seen something similar.

I'm from the Netherlands where it is illegal to posses any fire arm, unless you have a license which you can obtain after you become a member of a shooting alley, a few lessons and a screening.
But most of the killers will not have a license anyway.

The gun is allowed to keep at home in a safe separate from it's munition.

Knifes is another ballgame...
A lot of people have them but I do not get the idea getting stabbed happens more then getting shot. Usually these crimes are prime time news stories.

You are probably right about the lethality a knife is usually more damaging then a bullet.
The risk of slicing an artery is way higher.

I've seen videos of people dying that got shot. Believe me they were in pain, a lot of it.

I think the options you have when a knife comes to play is way higher.
A bullet will hit you because those who do own a gun here, they know how to use it.

I really would go for option 3. Avoid both of them at all cost.

I've always preferred knives to guns as a close quarters weapon (they are nice and quiet), and don't even know how many I own. They are unobtrusively scattered through my house (out of kid's reach), so I don't have to make more than two or three steps to reach one.

They can be messy or neat, depending on knife shape and the use you put it to. You can also have a good degree of control of damage inflicted. A lot of dramatic blood can be let with only superficial damage, such as a cut across the forehead, or be fatal with very little blood loss, such as a kidney blow. In between you can temporarily to permanently disable.

If you ever have to use one, remember not to use any of the movie stances or holds you've seen, those will get your knife taken away from you and get you killed. Hold your knife hand in the hollow of your hip near your groin and hold your free arm between your knife and your opponent's line of sight. Keep your eyes on your opponent's eyes: they will usually give you warning of where his strike will go. Use your free arm to block and deflect, better a bad slash on your arm than wherever he intended it to go.

A knife fight usually consists of several feints and one ending blow: they are over quick if you know what you're doing.

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Personally, I do not want to own a gun. However, I've been considering to keep at least a hammer or something at my bedside. The world is mad place.

I appriciate your points in your posts. Maybe I will consider a nice buck knife or something. In your opinion, what kind of knife is best to use for self defense? Is there such a thing as a knife self defense course?

People who walk around with knives are an intrinsic part of the cancer that is eating away at the glue of our society and why the streets are so dangerous as knife wielders are in my view loaded weapons that can go off, ruining not only their targets life but their own too. Not only can they go off with tragic consequences but now with the new pressures of our modern age increasing the critical mass within such minds the situation can only get even worse.

There is something contemptuous and weak about a young man that feels he can be empowered by a few inches of cold sharp edged steel. Something primitive in a man that believes that all he needs to back up a claim is to walk through life with a bladed weapon. It is in my view pathetic and disrespectful to all life including his own if he sincerely believes that such behaviour has any relevance in their life or somehow makes them much more of a man because they can slice open a person who makes the mistake of disrespecting something they say or do.

It is incredible that they really cannot see what is wrong with that picture but walk in the darker sides of Glasgow and Edinburgh and it is easy to understand how perceptions can be warped to a dark severity and where life is as cheap as the football shirt on your back.

Respect is earned it is not a right but a young man with a knife will think respect is there for the taking, there to be enjoyed just from the blandishment of a bladed weapon because a knife gives them empowerment but this knife wielder fails to realise that it is the energy of fear they are basking in not respect and the two in my opinion are mutually exclusive.

I have never respected something I have feared – just ask my father.

Fear comes in many forms and a sense of self preservation will let the cause of fear think it is respect because fear is a strongly related aid of self preservation.

Many years ago myself as a young man just trying to get by, I was stabbed by a complete stranger as he passed me on Edinburgh’s London road and I never even saw it coming because I was carrying a case of beers and I was in love and wondering about the film I was intending to watch later that night.

These distractions blinded me to danger and as the pain hit like nothing you would wish on your worst enemy I fell down with this weapon sticking out of me and the “tough guy” he just sort of looked at me blankly and walked away as if he had just asked me for the time. It is a horrible thing to try and writhe while transfixed by cold steel – the two do not go well together and the pain is not at all affable.

Strange things go through the mind, ‘Not going to be watching that film with her tonight, wasted money on that beer’ and so on.

Having worked as a nightclub bouncer many years ago I have seen the horrors of knife crime and there is no glory in this, nothing to respect and the horrific pulsing injuries inflicted by small minded men “raged up” on drink is something to make the bile rise in the back of the throat and make a person really despair for the future of humanity.

There is no need to tell related stories as the past is the past thankfully but I speak from experience of knife crime and it seems to be worse now than it ever was back then – and that is saying something bad about society as a whole.

Look, I am all for keeping bladed weapons safely stashed in the home in case of a home invasion if a person is seriously concerned for safety in the dead of night but to walk around on the streets with the excuse that a knife is for protection is in my opinion such a weak shell of an excuse that I can barely believe that many young men actually think it is an excuse worth using. Their brains must be wedged so firmly where the sun does not shine that they cannot possibly see how foolish this excuse is.

Men on the street carrying knives for personal protection are not only liars; they are pond life not worthy of the label “a man” and in the end when they wake up to the reality that life is precious and not something to be toyed with under the context of woman, beer and territory it is too late for the man who ended up dead or disfigured and also for the man who threw his life away via the courts.

It is so sad you cannot tell young people this and depressing that they must always discover this truth for themselves – after the act that spills blood and raises the spectre of abject life-blighting misery for the victim, their family and even the family of the knife wielder.

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Your post nearly left me speechless. That was very passionate and well written. How horrid that experience must have been for you. How someone can hurt another abitrarily is beyond me. Sorry you went through that.

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Thank you sir but it has all come good as I subscribe the belief that what does not destroy you can only make you stronger. In a way this life threatening event long ago blew away any remaining naiveties or innocence when it comes to the depraved depths young and stressed men will sink to when life pushes their buttons and forces them to visit misery on another man just because of a loss of control.

It took being confronted with mortality in such a shocking context to make me realise that I needed to grow up and look beyond my nose so to speak and I sure did that.

It is all in the past now and being in the past I can and do use it as a source of valuable experience.

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Thank you for sharing.

Personally, I don't think it's about a knife or gun. People walked around with guns and knifes for centuries and nothing happened.

It is ( IMO) all about the miserable state of society. Which is strange because of all the goodness, love and joy there is at the same time.

You hit the jackpot on change. In the 20 years where I am fully aware and living reality, ( I'm 27 ) things change so severely that I'm actually in a reality shock.

I leaned to show and have respect for others. Yes of course I was not always a good boy.
For example, my teacher was always sir and later mister. Now ( As I recently experienced. ) They are spoken to and about with and on their front names.

As equals. I was stunned cause adult are not equal to a child. Not that they are better.
Children need to learn cause and consequence and discipline. I believe this sissy boy attitude ( no offense )is one of the reasons of our failing society.

When you're a child the world is all about you. When this is not corrected and even promoted how are you supposed to really understand it isn't all about you and what people think of you and what you want and what you would do.

Just like knives or fists ? Something started this collapse and we have not seen end of it yet.

Boy I'm ranting... I'm so full of things I think are wrong... no solutions tho.

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You can train yourself if you have a training partner.

Use dry erase markers of different colors. Then pick a spot, assume the stance I mentioned earlier with knees flexed, knife foot slightly behind guard foot, body turned to present minimal target.

Then fight. If you know anatomy you know where the vulnerable points are. Fight for kills, fight to disable, fight to damage. The marks left by the markers will tell you what you're doing wrong.

Develop your own style, what works for you. Think of it as a deadly dance that involves your entire body, mind and spirit. Use them all. Absolutely everything must be focussed into and on the fight-space, that volume of time and territory you fight in.

After you become comfortable that you know what you are doing with the dry erase markers, graduate to fighting with sheathed blades, making triple-damned sure the sheathes can't come off accidentally.

Among the knives I have scattered: a machete, heavy camp cleaver, assorted throwing knives, several folders, several straight-blades. There's no single best knife, just favorites, and that comes to personal choice.

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Knife throwing really appeals to me for some reason. Think I might look into that. Thanks.

As my martial arts instructor taught most people that use a knife fixate on the knife.
There mind is set on using the knife only.

The defender against a knife attack has two hands and two feet to use as weapons.
Martial arts teaches to use anything and any body part as a weapon in your defence.
Even a belt with a large buckle can give you a advantage if you know how to use it. a cowboy type belt buckle on a belt will give you a 6+ foot reach and a good blow to the head with it can stop a knife attack right there.
If you bust there knee cap they have a problem.

You may be cut but if done with a mindset that you are going to STOP your opponent while keeping him out of lethal range you have more chance of survival.

If someone attacks you with a knife got for the kill.
don't try to disarm him try to KILL him.

If you are attacked by some one with a knife please break both there upper arms.
This gives them hell in jail and they can not defend themselves from other inmates. bend over.

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Thanx Sintar Klass for trying to keep my post alive, I appreciate your support.

Getting knifed is just as bad as getting shot trust me. But i would rather get stabbed. You see, you get knifed you can see the knife is no longer in you and you know "hey my liver is right there time to go to the hospital" or "just the love handle ill live". With a gun once that bullet is in you unless there is a hole on the other side you have no idea where that little bugger went. But take it from me, you get shot or stabbed you already screwed up pretty bad.

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I'll stick (sic) to my original post. I would rather be shot than knived to death. If knived, I have too much time to consider my death. If shot, oh well.....fast and furiuous. Jeez i hate my own thread!

I carry a knife and a concealed pistol, the pistol is my protection and the knife is a tool. A tool that can be used as a weapon. But then again if you know what your doing anything can be used as a weapon.
I use my knife as intended as a cutting tool. If I have to cut flesh so be it. Having a knife DOES NOT make me less of a man.
My opinion if you don't carry a knife you might as well be carrying a purse. Women Carry a knife in your purse, you never know when you will need that tool.
Being someone who is on code orange or code yellow at nearly all times I need a knife.
A knife is a Tool first and a weapon second!

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Hi.
I think a knife is a great tool and I carry a swiss multi tool knife wherever I go.
I also carry a professional stanleyknife specially designed for sticker application the little detailed work. It is as sharp as a razor blade.

Never did it cross my mind to use it for defense or attack.

Why do you carry a pistol ?

From my perspective you carry one because of the fear you will need it sometime.
I think this is part of a down going spiral.
First people have guns. Some use it in a crime. MSM hypes the crimes. Fear causes people to get armed. As a result criminals are more likely to be armed. ( they prepare for the worst, smart thinking in any line of work.) Stuff happens, to prevent stuff happening criminals start taking out possible threads. As a result people live in fear of becoming a victim. Voilà ~ Society as we know it.

Not accusing you for arming yourself. Only the system that caused it.
It is not necessary.


Carrying guns is not the problem.
All men in switzerland own their weapon they got when they were in the military.
All of them are also regularly re-schoold and part of the Swiss army. Norway, Canada, Sweden guns are allowed. Almost nothing happens. ( not sure about Canada )

The problem is carrying guns in a society based on fear. Look at all the crap that happens in the US.

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You're welcome.

I've got to say that I wouldn't do it if I didn't have something to add.