Do you think the UK should leave the EU?

I'm mentioning this because one of UKIP's (United Kingdom Independence Party) policies in their manifesto was to leave the EU but keep all trade routes with the EU countries open.

Do you think we should leave the EU?

Here is my take on it:

I Persoanlly think we should for many reasons, currency, induced debt, rules, laws, and many other things.

So, currency, well the UK has its own currency the GBP and well the EU has always tried to make the UK get the Euro, if we did then you know we would be more screwed than we are now, because the euro is dropping like a lead balloon at the moment, which really cant be good for the economy.

Induced Debt, all the EU members pay money to the EU as some sort of membership fee or something like that (correct me if im wrong) and I dont think we see much of it come back. What exactly does this money get spent on?

Rules and laws, EU members are governed by even more laws from the EU which keep changing all the time including stupid things and just plain ridiculous laws, why do we need these laws. e.g. the copyright law that they want revised.

Overall, the EU has lost its power it had, it used to be a good think really, but it has hit the slippery slope and everything and everyone it in is going down with it!

That's why i think we should get out before its too late.

According to your title.

YES.

Are you a sovereign country or part of the collective?

Pretty simple question.

I am going to blatantly and flagrantly ignore the one line post rules here, in order to answer your question:


Yes. Out, now!

reply to post by Ibex08


Hell yes, the UK should take care of their own financial needs and their citizens and should allow never the EU make them pay for those that have not fiscal responsibility.



[edit on 11-5-2010 by marg6043]

As far as I'm concerned, the UK has never been a part of the EU, nor of Europe, for that matter. My mother's side of the family are of ancient British descent, and I've always considered the Brits culturally head-and-shoulders above the mainlanders.



— Doc Velocity

Yes i think the UK should, i like the idea of the EU in all honesty and would actually have no problem with it becoming a "true" superstate. The only problem is the people running it and the direction i see it heading because of that, until that is resolved the UK needs to pull out. If we actually had decent, honest people in Brussels who had good ideals i would gladly go the full shabang and hand over all sovereignty to them. I think it is the natural next step in human civilization...that doesn't mean i want it to be the monstrosity that i see it as now.

Whaaaaa? They were never in it LOL!

Well this makes me happy, but why on earth didnt more people vote UKIP in the general election, they want us out because they see what is going wrong with the EU!

and ill rephrase UK to Britain, better?

[edit on 11-5-2010 by Ibex08]

Originally posted by Ibex08
Well this makes me happy, but why on earth didnt more people vote UKIP in the general election, they want us out because they see what is going wrong with the EU!

It's the propaganda of the Global Socialists that persuaded so many to vote in favor of the EU — promises of a brighter, braver, better new global economy appealed to those who petulantly oppose the sovereign "super powers" of the world.

Except that, now, these angry little socialists are getting a true taste of what Global Socialism entails. Socialism was never designed to work on a global scale — indeed, it cannot work on a global scale.

Look at all of the socialist "success stories" that Global Socialists present to validate their campaign — virtually all of the socialist nations that seem to be making a success of it are tiny nations with tiny populations, compared to, say, the United States of America.

Populations of 4 million or 8 million or even 30 million are not even in the same economic class as the truly giant nations. Even Japan, with its population of 128 million, is starting to see that their experiment in socialism is going to bankrupt the country within 10 years.

The European Union is finding out the same thing, but on a faster track. And, so, yes, the former supporters of Global Socialism are bailing out, fleeing like rats from a burning tugboat.

I'm in favor of stronger national identity and economic sovereignty for ALL the nations of the world.

It's the saner and SAFER alternative to a one-world economy that takes EVERYONE down when it crashes. Observe the EU.

— Doc Velocity





[edit on 5/11/2010 by Doc Velocity]

There have been few appreciable changes in Europe in a couple of thousand years. They are still the tribal mess they have always been. The Brits are better off without them. Let the Liberal Statists on the continent suffer alone. Let there political and finance ministers go down with their socialist government failures.

If things keep going the way they are headed, after the smoke clears and the riots subside the Euro will be valued where it should be, below the dollar, and we can visit our cousins and friends overseas at reasonable prices.

Yes, we should leave and become more like Norway, with free trade and movement but none of the "big statism" we get pushed upon us. That's what we signed up for many years ago, but it has changed without ever asking the UK population.

Also, it is worthwhile noting that 60-70% of legislation made in the UK parliament is because of "recommendatios" from the EU Commission...

I think we lost our Sovereignty a long time ago....

The Britain of ww2 despite Britain winning is dead.
It sold out its soul , to the many headed invader for silver.
I dont care anymore for britain is dead.
Bye a land of traitors .

reply to post by stumason


I agree. The UK are in it waste deep and they are being forced to play by the rules.

Get out as fast as you can!!

Another yes vote. Get us out and follow the Norwegian model.

reply to post by endisnighe



Yes I do think we should leave the EU - Am I right... to be a part of it we need to pay them??..............Wasted money THERE!

Also, what's with the EU ORDERING us to help!!

What makes me angry with the bail out C**P is (with our tax monies) if a struggling smallCompany with no O/D has problems, can we go to the Government to be bailed out!! Mmmmmm in your dreams - even though I have been a Tax payer for 27 odd years....without ever signing on for Social

Jezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz lets all live in a tent on land of the free - just make sure your sleeping bag is of good quality ;-)

reply to post by Ibex08


The only smart thing the UK has done in regards to the EU is keep their currency.

Had they adopted the Euro you would all be up poop creek without a paddle.

I would get out of the EU if I were them.

~Keeper

My family left 300 yrs. ago and settled here in the US for manifold reasons and the reality is that it only bought us some time. We are going o feel the same pain as eveyone else because of loose fiscal policy.
I'm afraid that Europe is in for another real beating, the likes of which will make the Great War and WWII look like a picnic. The masses are not going to take the pressure and overbearing taxation for too long before it rips wide open. If and when it does the EU is going to explode up like a dry Christmas catching fire.

I agree that the smart move was to keep their own currency. It allows the Brits some wiggle room to inflate the money and buy you a little time on your debts, but the piper still has to be paid. The reality of this has not set in here in the US yet. We are on the brink and getting pushed closer daily. Cap and Trade will break the bank and force higher taxes on everyone and along with the hyper inflated dollar floating around the planet we will speed up our spiral down. We can't keep printing dollars out of thin air without reprecushions.

I live in California and this state is past broke and getting worse daily. There is a saying around here, "As California goes, so does the rest of the US economy". It's not anywhere near over and when it hit s critical mass and hysteria sets in the markets are going to catch fire and crash hard again.

reply to post by sharkman

the Euro will be valued where it should be, below the dollar

What makes you think that the US$ should be worth more than the €uro?
The Eurozone has a slightly higher population than the USA. The landmass is much less, which places less impediments to business that arise through transport needs, electrical power distribution & telecoms provision. The Eurozone is also running a trade surplus, despite recession, whereas the USA has had a balance of payments deficit for ages.
When you place the 16 member Eurozone in the context of the 27 member EU (with a population over 1/2 Billion), with which it is intertwined & thus derives further business benefits from proximity between production & markets on top of more efficient interoperability of the above infrastructure between Eurozone & other EU members, you can easily see why that trade surplus has held up.
The only thing keeping the US$ afloat is that oil is traded using it, which inflates its value as a result of being a desirable reserve currency. Now, we've been hearing plenty about the national debts of Eurozone countries like Greece, Portugal etc, but what this story should not obscure from our minds is that the USA has a national debt so big that it most likely can never be repaid. I realise that patriotism prevents many Americans from understanding the wider picture, but the emerging new reality of global business, a finite oil supply & continuing rise of the BRIC nations, means that the replacement of the US$ as prefered reserve is all but inevitable. Whether that happens by countries diversifying their foreign currency holdings, so there is no single preference, or whether we see some kind of new international trade currency to formalise IMF special drawing rights, we'll have to wait & see, but 1 thing thats sure is that the Euro will survive any such realignment much better than the US$, for all the reasons above.

I think the idea of the EU is infact a noble one. The 20th Centuary saw Europe ravaged by 2 World wars, killing millions, something that never really came to American shores in the same way as Europe.

Bringing Europe together has maintained relaive peace and prosperisty to Europe. It may not be ideal but surely better than more wars between nation states.

So in an ideal world i would want Britain to play a larger role in Europe. However, the financial crisis has highlighted the economic problems that exist within the EU.

I think the biggest problem with the EU is that it seems to be have forced upon people, I dont think the citizens of Europe are ready for a superstate.

Like many of you know i cannot stand england, so i would say who cares what the uk government does. Also if uk did not want to be part of eu why did they get a high profile second place job for that english woman?