6000 Veterans Commited Suicide Last Year!

reply to post by Drexl


Its cheaper to hire migrant farmers where I live (and no Im not being a hater) perhaps hiring veterans in some instances may be a liability to some companies. And again I am not going to argue the 9/11 OS but I will say almost 3000 some odd people got upwards of a million maybe more dollars as compensation for their loss of a family member. Were they not innocent Americans as well and further that it was the survivors got all that money and wasnt that justification to send us our soldiers. Innocent Iraqis are killed it is a shame innocent AMericans were killed as well

edit: Double post

[edit on 10-5-2010 by Brotherman]

Originally posted by On the Edge
"Soldiers are dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy"
-Henry Kissinger

No doubt he and his ilk consider soldiers to be "disposable". Men led by their hearts to do what they consider their "patriotic duty",to be used as pawns in their massive global agenda.

Truly,a disgrace.

I was going to post that kissinger quote, you beat me to it.

That quote is a good enough reason not to support or join the military.

[edit on 10-5-2010 by Jay Electronica]

I've seen this in my own family having two combat vets as cousins. Neither of them are the same - and never will be. Clearly the military is not doing enough to care for our wounded and doing too much to serve its own financial interests. Again, I honestly feel that there is type of "Programming" at work here with our vets that deliberately make them feel hopeless and full of despair.

The moral of the story is that NO ONE should enlist - lest you become fodder for their game.

reply to post by Brotherman


That's fine and pertinent . Just so long as you can show me one bona fide link between Iraq and 9/11.

Reply to Drexl

Originally posted by Drexl
I don't think it is anything to do with a guilt complex , out there killing innocent Iraqis. Maybe just a general trauma issue , and the realization that they are only idolized when in the employ of the armed services of their country. Once they are out , injured , or whatever problems they have, nobody really cares any more .

I didnt think I needed to link a post to illustrate the parellel to innocent Americans dying and innocent Iraqis dying I never tried to link the events as one cause and effect you said it was nothing to do with a guilt complex out there killing innocent Iraqis I was just drawing a parrellel is all didnt mean to get any body hot over a 9/11 issue by stating innocent Americans died too is all.

reply to post by Brotherman


Brotherman , I see you are relatively new here . I will not press the issue that is inherent within your last post. Just be advised , you cannot get away with your guilt by some abstract muslim guilty posse in a kind of blanket blame on countries here . You will have to refine your guilt associations , else it will not bode well for you.

But of course the government says some political correct BS and say don't worry about it. They love to cover up things just to make them look all peaceful. Yet, some people in America call our troops terrorists. This world is a freak show and when you are born in America you get front row seats.

reply to post by ugie1028


All, I don't want to diminish the topic but this report is a lie. The US Veterans Affairs Department put out a report at the end of April stating that according to the statistics in 2009 18 serviceman attempted suicide per day and that only 7% succeeded and 11% attempted a second suicide within 9 months.

The death toll is not 6000, that is just atrocious and sensationalist reporting. Those returning from Iraq and Afghanistan accounted for 1868 attempts or 5 per day but only 100 succeeded. The original article appeared in the Army Times.

It is also of note that the statistics here are not that suggestive of anything and are exaggerated to get to a political point. The rate of suicide deaths among Army serviceman is equivalent if not less than the general population if you compare it to men in the same age range. The rate for the Army was 17 per 100000 versus 20.5 per 100000 for men in the general population.

For comparison the suicide rate of physicians is 19 per 100000 which of course Obamacare will solve. /sarcasm



[edit on 10-5-2010 by ararisq]

reply to post by Drexl


Who said I was guilty or feel guilty I surely never said I felt guilty in anyway nor did I say anyone else has a guilt issue, nor did I try to tie guilt to any country or private factions. Just because I am new does not make me guilty... or stupid. I was relating the problems most of us vets face returning home to America, hell I have buddies I met that served in the Royal Marines in Britain and they face some of the same problems we do here as far as getting out and transitioning back to a normal life, it isnt easy I am not sure if you served or not but I can surmise it is easier for some and not others.

Originally posted by Brotherman
reply to post by Drexl

 

Who said I was guilty or feel guilty I surely never said I felt guilty in anyway nor did I say anyone else has a guilt issue, nor did I try to tie guilt to any country or private factions. Just because I am new does not make me guilty... or stupid. I was relating the problems most of us vets face returning home to America, hell I have buddies I met that served in the Royal Marines in Britain and they face some of the same problems we do here as far as getting out and transitioning back to a normal life, it isnt easy I am not sure if you served or not but I can surmise it is easier for some and not others.

No , no , your guilt association . Who you perceive to be guilty . Not your own personal guilt . But you did tie guilt to Iraq , by relating emotional considerations of 9/11 when addressing the subject of 9/11 as your post above shows. It is probably a factor that you are a returning 'vet' , that you have the opinions that you do. Whereas , us non vets and non servicemen personnel are free to form and decide our own considerations and opinions , you , on the other hand are subject to systematic indoctrination and opinion manipulating techniques and practices.

I am just trying to help you a little . What you got brainwashed with in the army , aka Iraq= 9/11 et al , won't wash here .

[edit on 11-5-2010 by Drexl]

reply to post by kozmo


tell me about it. I have a few friends who were/are enlisted right now. My little brother wants to join the marines.

Hearing about the suicide rates of soldiers make me fear for their lives on and off the battlefield.

What a brave and inspiring Lady. I am truly shocked that 6000 soldiers are committing suicide each year.That's more than the number of dead up to 2009 in combat out there .

As wars' death toll nears 5,000, Dover shows quiet dignity

www.usatoday.com...

"police" work dont drive soldiers do commit suicide,

something that does is guilt, betrayal or plain and simple trauma.

but then again i wouldent want to have 5million civilian deaths, about 5 million children with out both parents or 5 million refuges on my mind.

not to mention that the goverment they served just pisses them in the eye by lowering veteran benefits and not to mention them that got disabled just get shoved aside,

some reasons why i left the army life and started to live my life with my family ,

This war is different from many others in that there are no set lines of battle. Soldiers and Marines never know when or if they will be hit, which adds undue stress. Add this to the fact that many soldiers are spending years over there at a time. In Vietnam for instance, soldiers only did 1 year tours at a time. While Marine Corps tours are only 6 months, the Army's tours are 15+ months and many soldiers, depending on your unit, will only be home for a few months before going right back.

War is a very nasty thing and you do things that you are not proud of and that you would never tell your family of, and while wars of the past may have at the least resembled defending your country, with these current wars, it is more than obvious that you are only defending corporate interests, which just shoves all of the horrible things you've done, right back in your face.

You come back home after killing for the corporate elite and instead of a "thank you" or anything like that, the corporations just want to screw you and your family even more, through bailouts, foreclosures or even something as simple as unjust bank fees. Because of corporate greed we went off to war, then because of more corporate greed, our families are not being taken care of and we are losing everything when we are off at that war for them.

That would be my 2 cents.

--airspoon

reply to post by BeastMaster2012


Man this is ridiculous.....

Wow, Wow This is horrible.

Seriously guys, send your vets to Mexico like you used to so they can get a nice piece of butt and live a decent life for crying out loud.

This is an open invitation to all US veterans to come to Mexico and get a nice piece of butt and a bottle of tequila BABY!!!

Take the gun out of your mouth and come on down and enjoy life for a change.

out of those six thousand, one was my squad leader. He married a woman with a child from a previous relationship, and then he reinlisted so he would be more capable of providing for the new family. When we came home from Iraq, she was gone. One day he was missing from formation, and this is a marine who was never even late. The platoon commander and platoon sergeant found him at his house, sprawled out on the couch, glock .40 in his hand.
Rest assured, as tragic as that is, another one of those six thousand was a child molester who got caught with some compromising photos on his cell phone and decided to suck start his 9mm instead of face the consequences. We all sang when we found out about that one.
When i came home, my wife left me, my closest uncle disowned me, father died, dog got kidnapped, lost my truck, my house. still got my weapons and armor though, thats really all that matters to me now.
I've had some rough days starin long and hard at my .45 as well, but thankfully, that little emergency reserve of self worth kicks in just when i need it, but even that # is gettin to be about 200 bucks for an oz....
Bush's farewell address is what did it for me, realizing after i had seen it that despite anything i had tried to tell myself about being there "to help the Iraqis," I really was just a pawn the whole damn time. What keeps me goin are the things i learned about warfare and combat, honor and what it means to be a WARRIOR and not just a marine or soldier of the rank and file. Next time i'll bring the fight to someone who really deserves it, and that is a promise...

reply to post by ugie1028


I can imagine how tough it is to cope with life after fighting a war but 6,000 seems pretty high.... are these vets without Family? Maybe this would explain a lot of the deaths...

I care very deeply for our veterans and what they are going through. The woman in the video is inspiring and brings hope to our vets. At least they are doing more now.

I salute those 6000.

I am so sad that they died for their country.

They would have lived, if men had not decided that they would die.