Lucifer = Planet Venus, not Satan - PROOF

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The devil's in the details.

Sounds plausible to me. Great thread!

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The templar knights were a religious military order formed in the 12th century,they built "churches" in denmark,italy,england,france and romania.If you connect them together by drawing a line,they actually form a perfectly shaped "Pentagram"...

And now realize that the man made structures and landmarks in washington.dc also form a "Pentagram'...

Just as the orbits of venus and earth do,as you so brilliantly revealed...

Then realize that venus was a comet that entered into our solar system,was slowed down by the earth and then was captured and held into its present orbit by the sun...

But was it by accident,or was it by design?

Now all we have to do is put those pieces together to realize whats really going on in this world...

www.cuttingedge.org...

www.templarhistory.com...

so if it was a comet from around 5000 years ago how, how could it form into a planet in such a short period of time, or did it happen before that. Are the photos of venus fake?

Originally posted by BeastMaster2012
so if it was a comet from around 5000 years ago how, how could it form into a planet in such a short period of time, or did it happen before that. Are the photos of venus fake?

Who knows? but i dont consider 5,000 years to be a short period of time...

Certainly a lot of things could happen in that amount of time...

Venus being slowed down by the Earths gravity and then captured into its present day orbit by the Sun seems like something that could happen in just a few weeks or months,why would something like that have to take thousands of years...

Maybe where Venus is now in relation to the Sun,what Venus looks like now,what types of surface features and temperatures it has and the kind of weather it experiences,are exactly what a giant comet would look like and be like after 5,000 years?

How long have humans been looking at Venus through powerful enough telescopes to get a clear image of it?...Not very long at all...

Do ancient astronomical records "not" mention a 2nd planet from the sun,meaning venus?

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I don't know much about comets or meteroids, but let's say around 5000 years ago this happened, Venus is supposedly huge, almost exactly the same size as the Earth and is in a perfectly round shape. After a collision, could this huge object form such a shape in a short period of time?

I believe that earth and Venus are locked into some weird relationship and if they collided at some point that would make sense, it's just hard to see Venus forming in such a small period of time. You would think that a huge portion of it would be gone. Also it seems like Venus once had life on it, or atleast water and mountains. It just seems like Venus has been around for a very long time.

I would love to believe that, and it would fit into why the mayans called the beginning of this last cycle to be the "birth of Venus".

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Thats just it,there was no collision between the earth and venus,just a close pass by from venus,whos gravitational attraction was near enough to tilt the earths axis a little,but more than enough to send massive tsunamis across large sections of the continents,also causing earthquakes,volcanic eruptions and bizarre lightning interactions between earth and the rogue comet venus...

Thats the origin of our myths and legends of the flood,the ancient deluge that just about every country has told about for thousands of years and its also the origin of our myths and legends of titanic battles and cosmic struggles in the earth,on the earth and in the sky between the gods and godesses...

People the world over who witnessed this all happening back then,who lived to tell about it and who passed the memories of it down to their children,would have thought their gods and godesses were at war and very angry...

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...Plato,born in 428 bc,pre-dates the New Testament and some of the re-writes of the Old Testament and he wrote in his work called Timaeus...

"First,there was the Moon in the orbit nearest the Earth and next the Sun,in the second orbit above the Earth. Then came the "morning star" and the star sacred to Hermes,moving in orbits which have an equal swiftness with the Sun,but in an opposite direction ...

was Plato correct. that 'Hermes' and 'Morning Star' moved in opposite directions...

on the face of it, it seems Plato is in error in his observation, because both 'Hermes'=mercury
and 'Morning Star'=venus orbit the Sun in the same direction, as with all of the inner rocky planets


but here's the weird thing... was Plato referring to the orbit direction of Morning Star (venus)
or was he being occultist, cryptic in stating that the Morning Star (venus) rotated in an opposite direction?



RE: cseligman.com...


you see... Venus under a dense cloud cover was not known to be rotating on it's axis opposite what the Earth rotates in the 24 hour period we know as a day.

Venus in fact spins to the West at the fantastically slow rate of 1 venusian 'Day' equalling 243 Earth days
...

now, since the ancients, did not have modern astronomy devices or space probes to know the planet spins backwards from every other planet in the solar system...
just how did our ancestors from ~10,000 years ago, at the start of religions...
know to give that 'Morning Star' its designation of 'Lucifer'...a Lucifer that goes counter to God...just as the planet Venus is rotating counter to the solar systems cosmic harmony...

did the ancients have special knowledge passed to them... which became Myth as a way for the human collective memory to embrace these 'facts' which were beyond any historical technology available


your guess is as good as mine...



the opposite 'Day' rotation of Morning Star/Lucifer could not have been seen before telescopes were invented,
even if the dense cloud cover of Morning Star/Lucifer (Venus) was not yet obscuring the surface before 10,000 years ago
So early men, in developing their religions, were purely lucky in selecting Venus to be the Luciferian body in the Solar System... the only celestial body in our inner system to rotate opposite the others

Lucky or inspired?
or just a fluke ?

awesome.....That animation is great. I tried to do the same thing once in class with a program that had a map of the solar system in it to see if any planets aligned to form a pentagram. I failed and got in trouble for not doing the assignment....lol

As far as the translation being off......Agreed.

I have become such a nitpicker with biblical translations lately. The official versions are sooooo off sometimes.

Thank you for this entire thread....you have rocked real hard....and I salute you.

Originally posted by casenately
awesome.....That animation is great. I tried to do the same thing once in class with a program that had a map of the solar system in it to see if any planets aligned to form a pentagram. I failed and got in trouble for not doing the assignment....lol

As far as the translation being off......Agreed.

I have become such a nitpicker with biblical translations lately. The official versions are sooooo off sometimes.

Thank you for this entire thread....you have rocked real hard....and I salute you.

Did you see that Mercury creates the six pointed star? That is pretty cool too..

This is a stunning fact, but there is more. Mercury, like Venus has a shorter orbit than Earth; in the case of Mercury, very much shorter. Mercury completes three orbits in just under 50 weeks, so that there are six conjunctions ­ three ³inferior² and three ³superior² in each year. If all six are marked on the circle of the zodiac and the three inferior joined by lines drawn 1-2-3-1 and the three superior joined 1-2-3-1. The result is a hexagram ­ the Star of David or Seal of Solomon. What makes this an even more striking image is that, as you will all recognise, the order of drawing the triangles is the same as that used in the dedication of the temple prior to a Martinist meeting.

www.mikecrowson.co.uk...

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Excellent thread!
I never knew that about Venus and its cyclical movement.

I have been aware for some time about the elite's obsession with Venus.
You may find this article from The Vigilant Citizen interesting:
vigilantcitizen.com...

In the following scene, we see the result of this simulated gang bang: A pregnant Anna posing in a way similar to the classic painting “Birth of Venus”. We then see a countdown from the year 2012 to the year zero, which is associated with the birth year of Jesus Christ.

Originally posted by St Udio
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...Plato,born in 428 bc,pre-dates the New Testament and some of the re-writes of the Old Testament and he wrote in his work called Timaeus...

"First,there was the Moon in the orbit nearest the Earth and next the Sun,in the second orbit above the Earth. Then came the "morning star" and the star sacred to Hermes,moving in orbits which have an equal swiftness with the Sun,but in an opposite direction ...

 

was Plato correct. that 'Hermes' and 'Morning Star' moved in opposite directions...

on the face of it, it seems Plato is in error in his observation, because both 'Hermes'=mercury
and 'Morning Star'=venus orbit the Sun in the same direction, as with all of the inner rocky planets


but here's the weird thing... was Plato referring to the orbit direction of Morning Star (venus)
or was he being occultist, cryptic in stating that the Morning Star (venus) rotated in an opposite direction?



RE: cseligman.com...

Venus in fact spins to the West at the fantastically slow rate of 1 venusian 'Day' equalling 243 Earth days

I think that the rogue comet venus has such a slow rotation because its original rotation speed was slowed down a little by the earths gravity as it closely and relatively slowly swept passed and was then captured by the suns gravity,which slowed the rotation of venus even further to aquire its present day rotational rate of 243 earth days...

Ok let's say this is true, and venus came near earth, where did it come from? I am guessing the asteroid belt is somehow involved. Also it is possible that it was in it's current planet form before it came close to earth, is it possible people were living on the planet Venus? What if these people are the gods of the bible that mated with the earthlings. Where could venus have been prior to it moving, and how could it move?

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Its quite possible that most or even all asteroids were once actually comets that have burned off their outer layers and this burning off we see in the night sky as their tails...

Ancient accounts and records from all over the world of massive "fiery dragons with burning tails in the sky" are quite numerous...

According to the information in this and other links,pluto,with a diameter of 1,423 miles,might have once been a comet and theres even a comet thats larger than jupiter > wiki.answers.com...

So could venus,with a diameter of 7,520 miles,have once been a "rogue comet?...Yes...

Earths diameter is 7,926 miles...

Jupiters diameter is 88,846 miles...

Ceres,the largest known asteroid has a diameter of 590 miles...

The distinction between "asteroids" and "comets" has now started to blur seriously...When Do Asteroids And Comets Become One And The Same? > www.spacedaily.com...

I just don't understand how a rogue comet or asteroid can be the size of a planet, come into our area and become a planet. I guess it could have come from jupiter, but i am wondering where it could have come from.

I like what you are saying, because it is really the only explanation for the mayans start of the calendar naming it the "Birth of Venus". Like i have said, there is a lot of weird things that happened around 5000 years ago regarding Venus:

3100bc - Kali Yuga starts - end of the Hindu epoch begins
3114bc - Birth of Venus - end of the Mayan epoch begins
3200 bc - Newgrange built - Built to record Venus path

I really think there is something to the mayans naming of this epoch the "Birth of Venus". It's just so strange. Anyways i have a thread from awhile ago talking about when Venus was first seen, there are some interesting replies at the end of the thread.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Planetary movements in the sky could be such an explanation for such fables. As if they were climatic battles in the heavens over and over again. The sun is usually viewed as a Big Daddy Deity, gives all life and warmth. And Venus usually shows up as the next brightest thing in the skies at night, or even at dawn like it was trying to out shine the sun. It would stand out above all other stars(angels possibly), and planets as if it were a jealous god, being out over-shadowed(outshined) by the sun.

Ra( I heard he is or isn't a sun god) and a snake monster kind of fit the description too, it was called Atep if I recall. Ra was supposedly chased by snake like creature that would supposedly try to swallow him whole every night.

I even recall Jesus die, and rise again has something to do with sunset and sunrise. Again sun symbolism.

Saturn was Kronos in Greek/Roman mythology, and was possibly the greatest threat to Olympus. That was till Kratos from God of War killing them with his bare hands

I have kind of been interested in studying Jupiters lore when I got more time.

I will give you a Very Bright Star and a flag, that it outshines all the others.

But seriously good post.


P.S. When the Sun rises, Venus pretty much cant be seen anymore. As if it was out-casted by its brightness, or from heaven. The virgin Mary was supposedly a Moon Goddess of some sort. Now if the moon at a certain phase at the day time is out on the opposite side of the sky from the sun, it could be like it was watching it/her sun/son die/dive. Also Ra was supposedly re-born at sunrise, but died an old man at sun set, but that's from memory. You gotta love this crap sometimes, empires that would hate each other sharing the same deities in an ironic sense.

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Good post, and something that needs to be said from time to time. Sadly some things are too cemented to be changed.

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"Proof" is an overstatement.Lucifer is definitely not Satan however Venus as Lucifer is also not being referred to in Isa 14:12.Even though that isn't as off as n Lucifer=Satan it is still highly speculative at best.

It does prove how easily minds are swayed even when the truth can be so easily discovered .Truly if the facts don't fit their theory they change the facts.... comes into play.That is par for the course for many and especially here at ATS forums where conspiracy is king.....deny ignorance ....not so much...

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I remember when I first discovered the geometrical relation between Earth and Venus, how roughly every 583rd day Venus rises in the East just above the sun. I had what I best can discribe as a religious experience. And best of it all, the pentacle shaped flower that appears is seen both in heliocentric and geocentric perspectives. When Venus "does this" (rises near the Sun every 583rd day) it is called a morning star. In Latin this regular astronomical event called 'lucifer' (as oposed to vesper, the 'evening star'). One of my favorite quotes from the Latin Vulgata Bible ("the Catholic bible") is a part from 2 Peter 1:19 and reads:

et habemus firmiorem propheticum sermonem cui bene facitis adtendentes quasi lucernae lucenti in caliginoso loco donec dies inlucescat et lucifer oriatur in cordibus vestris

Compare with New King James version (KJV uses the word 'day star' which has the same meaning):

And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts;

The Name that translates Lucifer in the KJV in Isaijah 14:12, is the Hebrew word Hillel. Hillel is known throughout Judaism as the founder and composer of the Babylonian Talmud. He is the prominent star of the Talmudian school that carries his name. Kindof makes sense then, when the prophet calls:

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning ! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

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Unless Ancient Egyptians and Greeks had spaceships that can fly out of the solar system, there is no way they could have known about the pentagram. Even if they look at venus and track its movements they wouldn't know you would have to be away from Venus AND Earth to watch this formation happen.

thanks to satellites and understanding how these planets actually move, we discovered this now.

arpgme
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Unless Ancient Egyptians and Greeks had spaceships that can fly out of the solar system, there is no way they could have known about the pentagram.

Oh yes, I'm afraid so. By plotting Venus' position in the Zodiak every time Venus is morning star (aprox. every 583rd day) you can easily see the pentagram. Infact if you take 583/365 you get the aproximate phi (the golden number, and if you take 365/583 you get the aproximate golden proportion, and can easily plot the pentagram. So, all in all, the pentagonal pattern of Venus/Earth has been known and venerated for as long as we have been watching the stars and plotting the paths of the planets.

There is a similar pattern emerging when you plot Jupiter and Earth. Only then you end up with a twelve-sided pattern, like the calendar or the clock.