What is up with all this ''Need to assimilate'' fascist tripe?

reply to post by Thepreye


And do you hold to the same philosophies when hoardes of people push their way into your home ?

Bet you don't


Bet you don't

Originally posted by Dock9
reply to post by Thepreye

 

And do you hold to the same philosophies when hoardes of people push their way into your home ?

Bet you don't


Bet you don't

You'd be right in that bet, but I thought we were talking about the desire to make immigrants, mainly Muslim assimilate our customs and way of life, not the incredibly unlikely event of my house being invaded by err Tweaker gang banger's of a differing racial makeup to my own.

reply to post by Thepreye


It begins at home, though ... doesn't it ?

Unless people are prepared to accomodate anyone who chooses to push through their door and do whatever they like

then those people aren't really justified in preaching a different set of rules to an entire nation


Personally, I'm very selective about who's invited into our home

And I hold to that same philosophy when it comes to my larger home ... my nation and my culture

reply to post by FalselyFlagged

I've even heard people say they just "can't stand" to see a woman that doesn't show her hair... Guess what, freedom haters..... IT IS HER PERSONAL FREE CHOICE TO DRESS THAT WAY.

Im sure it is by her choice, not! It is because she is forced to dress this way by her fanatical husband who worships a false God. That is why you are seeing this type of dress banned in other countries because it is oppressive and denies women their right to choose.

Originally posted by Dock9
reply to post by Thepreye

 

It begins at home, though ... doesn't it ?

Unless people are prepared to accomodate anyone who chooses to push through their door and do whatever they like

then those people aren't really justified in preaching a different set of rules to an entire nation


Personally, I'm very selective about who's invited into our home

And I hold to that same philosophy when it comes to my larger home ... my nation and my culture

In answer to your question, no.

Your greater point equating a nation, huge with massive variations in climate and indigenous cultures and sub variants thereof and a single homogeneous family home is bordering on the absurd.

reply to post by Thepreye


Sorry but your response is a cop-out


But .... I've given you lots to think about now

and no matter how dilligently you attempt to evade acknowledging what I've written

in the end, you're going to admit ... privately no doubt ... that you can no longer agree with what you've written in this thread


and that's a good thing





[edit on 22-5-2010 by Dock9]

Originally posted by bakednutz
reply to post by FalselyFlagged

 

Im sure it is by her choice, not! It is because she is forced to dress this way by her fanatical husband who worships a false God. That is why you are seeing this type of dress banned in other countries because it is oppressive and denies women their right to choose.

I see, ban a mode of dress to increase dress freedom err good one, surely a better response to the cultural oppression of women would be stronger social support and laws helping women trying to make this choice, many Asian women are happy dressing the way they do for many personal reasons.

reply to post by Dock9


Wrong again bud.

reply to post by Thepreye


Stronger social support? How would that work? When she chooses to dress her own way and then is beaten by her husband, what the hell is social support going to do?

Originally posted by bakednutz
reply to post by Thepreye

 

Stronger social support? How would that work? When she chooses to dress her own way and then is beaten by her husband, what the hell is social support going to do?

I know hundereds of Asian families and don't know of one time a woman has been beaten for wearing western clothing.. but.. She would be given respite and refuge financial and housing assistance and strong charges should be brought against the man in question. If it happens at all it would soon stop as abusers languish in the prison system.

Just so you don't think I'm a blind apologist I do know of a 21 year old woman who was approached by her dad, who walked past a coffee shop she and her female friends were in after a day at uni, he walked up to her told her off and slapped her for not going straight home.

Obviously existing law would have been enough to right this wrong without resorting to fascism.

Originally posted by FalselyFlagged
Nazis had a million statistics to justify their hatred of the Jews. KKK has a million statistics to justify their hatred of blacks, Mexicans, whatever.

You resorted to a classic demagoguery trick which is well documented and called Ad Hitlerum: en.wikipedia.org...

This is telling me that you don't have, in fact, a rational base for your argument against a cohesive society.

You distort the argument of those who are in favor of reasonable approach to immigration. We have now a whole segment of the society who lives in a Hispanic bubble without tools and in many cases desire to break out. If you don't believe me, there have been studies on that subject and articles in New York Times.

Nobody insists that Muslim Americans should eat pork sausage at the local buffet during Sunday brunch, or that Mexican Americans need to attend Protestant Church. I, personally, as an immigrant, still don't see the divine virtues of baseball that people who were born here seem to be fond of. However, nobody shoves baseball habit down my throat, and nobody messes with my dietary and religious preferences. If it doesn't sink, let me repeat -- I am an immigrant who feels free to be whoever I choose to be. At the same time, I realize that a society stratified along the lines of ethnic origin and segregated by language barriers cannot possibly stand. Your, in your silly rant, chose to ignore that.

In terms of assimilation, language is probably number one on many people's lists. The need to speak English, our chosen national language, is often attacked and deemed disrespectful to other cultures.

For all of those that oppose our fight for immigrants to have to learn English, I ask you this:

Did it ever occur to you that we just want to be able to communicate and that communication is the key to a united country?

How are we supposed to have a nation of equals, if we can not communicate equally?

We don't want immigrants to feel like outsiders. But it's a little difficult for them not to be outsiders if we can not even speak to each other. Outside of language, we have no other way to really learn about them and get to know them as people.

reply to post by lpowell0627


Come on dude, the Asians who can't speak English are the very old or the very recent and of all religions, if for whatever reason I had to leave England, perhaps dumbtard fascists take over somehow, i doubt I'd be able to learn an Asian language.

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by FalselyFlagged
Nazis had a million statistics to justify their hatred of the Jews. KKK has a million statistics to justify their hatred of blacks, Mexicans, whatever.

You resorted to a classic demagoguery trick which is well documented and called Ad Hitlerum: en.wikipedia.org...

This is telling me that you don't have, in fact, a rational base for your argument against a cohesive society.

Your point would be somewhat more relevant if the title of the thread, the topic in question so to speak, hadn't mentioned fascist tripe.

[edit on 22-5-2010 by Thepreye]

Sounds to me like you're big in to prejudice yourself. The bottom line is everyone is. The "Liberal", "Open Minded" image is a fraud. People are only interest in justice so far as it suits there self interest, you and me included. It's easy for anyone to fake an ideology and even believe that that is how they are and what they believe. When push comes to shove they'll find out what they themselves really are like.

What you call prejudice is honest expression of their conditioning, fears, understandings, just like you're doing here. "need to assimilate" is a powerful factor in why people should not be allowed in the country in the first place. The uSA isn't a dumping grounds. The history of the uSA as the land of immigrants hasn't really turned out well. At one time it served a purpose where underpopulation existed. That's not the case now. When it did occur it wasn't for the best. Immigration has generally resulted in degradation of the country.

The "Need to assimilate" issue is misdirection to take the focus off of invasion and put it on emotional "fit".

reply to post by ReelView


That to me actually sounds slightly racist...Again, classic arguement but I am wondering where your lineage was "dumped" from? Europe? Asia? Do tell us, as I would be surprised if you were Native American.
Quite simply for a country that is not even 300 years old we really do not have thousands of years of "culture". What the "culture" was one generation ago or two generations ago vs. today are all completely different.

Our immigration history is quite interesting and as a soverign country we do have the right to call into law that now its time to slow down on people moving in. We have done just that obviously in the recent past and law is law and I actually stand for the most part with the law...as my sister who is an executive of a company in Europe has waited patiently for the past 7 years to move over here. Follow the law.

On the subject of cultural assimilation however I suppose if you live in a particularly homogenous area with a low to medium population density anyone not following "your" idea of what "your" American culture is can be a bit odd. Take a trip to New York and then rural Alabama. Complete polar opposites yet in the same country. So, that my friend IS America.

Unless you are following the Texas schoolbook history of the US, anyone with half a brain will tell you that this is not a WASP nation and was never intended to be. There is no need to speak English if you are hired illegally for a job in which there is no need to speak it! Fine the employers heavily if they are caught and I promise you that will fix that problem in 6 months. For those that are here already if they can compete in our job market they are more than welcome to stay and contribute. That seems fair, no?

This is a direct riposte to the initial post by Falsely Flagged, apologies for surreptitious rebuttals, arguments etc.

Let me make this exceedingly simple, because it is apparent that Falsely Flagged is reliant on strawmen and incorrect assumptions of adversarial intent.

The US has, for roughly the past 250 years, used the ‘melting pot’ paradigm regarding the integration of diverse cultures and languages. This is the inverse of the primarily European ‘mosaic’ approach to immigration (more later). All children in the US are (or were, rather) exposed to the cliché of the ‘melting pot’ at one point because it is the method of integration which simultaneously is tolerant of foreign cultures while expectant of eventual ‘assimilation.’ Thus, e.g., the Italian influx to the Northeast in the first half of the 20th century resulted in the influx of certain types of food, language, customs, religion. A generation of 2nd generation Italian-Americans spoke English and eventually became a prosperous demographic retaining a reverence for their Italian heritage. Ditto Spanish, German, Portuguese, Czech, Russian, Polish, Irish, Indian, Chinese, Vietnamese, Hmong, etc. In the latter half of the 20th century and into the 21st notable ethnic groups in this vein hail from Uganda, Ghana, the Caribbean Antilles, to name a few.

The US, how ever much you despise its foreign policy or worsening Plutocracy, in the most tolerant and diverse society on the planet. Please, spare the nitpicking over the injustices over the years (while not insignificant, can be found in every civilization that has ever existed), as “Nothing straight was ever constructed out of the crooked timber of humanity” (I. Kant).

The mosaic approach is evident in contemporary Europe wherein immigrant populations are encouraged to maintain their traditions and customs verbatim from their home country, e.g. Amsterdam where Moroccan/North African/Arab émigrés live in parallel to the native Dutch. The UK is particularly bad in this regard (see Luton, ‘no go zones‘); French ’youths’ and their summerly car-b-q’s. When a foreign culture is not nudged into assimilation with the receiving culture, alienation is the result.

Ok, we have now finished the third grade.

“Do people not see this is as fascist as it can get? Here in America, where we LOVE freedom, you better become one of the Borg, or LEAVE! Here in America, where freedom is important, you better wear the clothes we want, speak with the accent we want, worship a man nailed to a stick, or you BETTER LEAVE.”

The largest and most controversial contemporary immigrant population is Mexican, who are predominantly Roman Catholic. They don’t need to be told to worship the man on the stick.

Do you want to know what is actually fascist, Falsely Flagged? Allowing a porous, ~1,000 mile border to remain wide open allowing the flow of millions of illegal immigrants (whilst 70% of the US population demands the border be recognized and immigration laws be enforced) in order to use this bloc of immigrants as a political bludgeon against US sovereignty, the fiscal stability of state/federal budgets, integrity of the voting system, integrity of society, etc ad nausea. In fact, being opposed to assimilation in the way it has worked throughout the 20th century is precisely the mechanism by which the N.W.O. is achieving success.

To the casual observer, do you see the ignorance the average American with an IQ above room temperature is up against? Individuals like Falsely Flagged are legion, unfortunately, yet do not have the self-awareness to realize the fool looking back at them in the mirror.

[edit on 22-5-2010 by tetrahedron]

Originally posted by Thepreye

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by FalselyFlagged
Nazis had a million statistics to justify their hatred of the Jews. KKK has a million statistics to justify their hatred of blacks, Mexicans, whatever.

You resorted to a classic demagoguery trick which is well documented and called Ad Hitlerum: en.wikipedia.org...

This is telling me that you don't have, in fact, a rational base for your argument against a cohesive society.

Your point would be somewhat more relevant if the title of the thread, the topic in question so to speak, hadn't mentioned fascist tripe.

I do believe you contradict yourself here. Bringing up fascism is exactly an application of the "ad Hitlerum" brand of hypocrisy and demagoguery.

What a load of horse crap. How long have you spent in China?

Why the hell should foreigners "assimilate" or become like "White" aussies? I didn't "assimilate" with the Arabs when I lived with them. I didn't assimilate with the Malaysians. Integrate yes, assimilate = racist tripe.

Originally posted by Dock9
reply to post by Thepreye

 

It begins at home, though ... doesn't it ?

Unless people are prepared to accomodate anyone who chooses to push through their door and do whatever they like

then those people aren't really justified in preaching a different set of rules to an entire nation


Personally, I'm very selective about who's invited into our home

And I hold to that same philosophy when it comes to my larger home ... my nation and my culture

as a White Australian I'd like to assure everyone that we aren't all as aggressively nationalistic, racist and ignorant as this guy.