Debunk This!!! You can't. Ha!

OP nice post I didnt know about some of those things I watched the videos didnt have a chance attempt to debunk but I did find the flouride one interesting as did alot of others that have posted I never heard about that one before thanks for the find.

reply to post by Mr Mask

And then you will fail debunking them... because (as any vet of REAL conspiracy theories will tell you) you can't.

Any "veteran" of conspiracy theories is too far gone out of reality to agree with any outside information that takes him away from his own silly view of the world. Where the conspiracy theorist is a lone internet warrior in shining armour, continually searching and uncovering hundreds of years of evil plots by this all powerful elite that cannot seem to keep their errors from being simply googled or their involvement being brought up in the "controlled" mainstream media by such scholars like Rosie O'donnell and Charlie Sheen. Yes, this NWO that controls the world allows people like Rosie O'donnell to expose this almighty "truth" on their own networks.

This is far more likely than people being incorrect.

PS: He's still wrong about fluoride, and most likely everything else.

PSS: Lol @ that guy in endisnighe's video sitting in his stupid dentist studio worried about MICROGRAMS of fluoride. Of course he says "quarter milligram" instead of saying 250 micrograms, I wonder why...

reply to post by Whyhi

I don't think you know what you are talking about.

From:
www.fluoride-journal.com...


"Fluoride mouth rinsing is considered a drug treatment that should be strictly controlled. Evaluation of chronic fluoride intoxication should be reviewed, and a new assessment of the toxic dose of fluoride based on scientific data is urgently needed."

Fluoride mouth rinsing is a DRUG TREATMENT that should be STRICTLY CONTROLLED.
Oh yes, he is SO WRONG about sodium fluoride.

Originally posted by Niccawhois
I like it, but why does he have to be so damn hood? Does he think its cool?
He is white yet his dialect and gestures suggest a greatly exaggerated imitation of an urban black teenager...

Ever notice how white people that try to act black act way more black than actual black people?

I would have enjoyed his videos more if I wasn't cringing with empathic embarassment...

LOL - honestly he is perfect for what he is saying. On the topic of conspiracy - many people on here and on the internet "judge" by appearance - we make our associations and start to rule out information based off appearance.

This guy isn't dressed up proper, he doesn't look educated, speaks hipish, doesn't seem to have a nice video set up. Its amature hour all the way.

But if he did just the opposite - wouldn't you ask why? You see by looking like an average conspiracy nut joe, he defuses the idea that he has no agenda other than to enlighten people on what he sees in the world.

When people dress up, put on a show, use fancy language, boast the video with rhetoric and persuasive cheap tricks - it gets the most attention and is used most effective on the mass public. - But that's because there is an agenda for profit,popularity or ratings.

I can't tell if he's trying to act cool or not - but what he's trying to do is - keep it real! lol

When you talk about conspiracy topics - people that actually pay attention and listen - regardless of who they are - will respect the information more if you appear honest, than how it was brought to them in its package.

edit. paragraph.

[edit on 10-5-2010 by juveous]

Originally posted by Whyhi


Any "veteran" of conspiracy theories is too far gone out of reality to agree with any outside information that takes him away from his own silly view of the world.

Wrong...

There are many folks paying attention without going out of their minds.

Where the conspiracy theorist is a lone internet warrior in shining armour, continually searching and uncovering hundreds of years of evil plots by this all powerful elite that cannot seem to keep their errors from being simply googled or their involvement being brought up in the "controlled" mainstream media by such scholars like Rosie O'donnell and Charlie Sheen.

Rosie and Charlie are only new faces on an old pig.

If you think the only people paying attention are the new-wave info-warriors recently produced out of the Alex Jone's "work-shop for confused adolescents", then you sir are unaware of a whole other breed of "conspiracy theorists".

Yes, this NWO that controls the world allows people like Rosie O'donnell to expose this almighty "truth" on their own networks.

You watch a lot of TV.

You reference people and things I do not care about.

This is far more likely than people being incorrect.

Trust me...I agree with you there.

Most people around these subjects have been mentally hijacked by less then a dozen "mini celebrities".

I do not worship at those alters.

PS: He's still wrong about fluoride, and most likely everything else.

No...he is not.

He simply states that toothpaste says it is poison on the back of the tube, and that fluoride is poisonous.


The clips did not go where you took the argument.

It was only "people here" adding more and more information to the "fluoride debate". ChangeDaChannel seemed very honest in saying he was "unsure" if it was really harmful or not, but added it was worth considering.

I highly agree.

PSS: Lol @ that guy in endisnighe's video sitting in his stupid dentist studio worried about MICROGRAMS of fluoride. Of course he says "quarter milligram" instead of saying 250 micrograms, I wonder why...

You laugh a lot as if you have some answers.

I really hope you do...

I for one will be very happy to learn something from you in the future. But as of yet, I have only learned of your ability to debate fluoride facts.

Fluoride facts that were not even presented in the clips within the OP of this thread, no less.





[edit on 10-5-2010 by Mr Mask]

I liked the guy, he speaks with clearness not confusion, he merely offers the mind a chance to say...hmmmm. People seem to think theories like this to come from a person in a suit and tie with learned papers, but its from a person such as himself.

Well done, continually says that 'before the naysayers and debunkers jump on thier band wagons' in other words he is not saying his research is gospel. But ofcourse there are those who no matter how much proof they have they will find a reason to find fault, people such as this would look at hte sun directly without eye protection and their eyes won't even dialate, they will never except any truth no matter where it comes from.

So it is, I enjoyed it from a new perspective such as this guy, Mr. Mask...well done.

This guy is awesome I went through about 15-20 videos in one day and can't get enough. I just wish the videos were set out in playlists and put out in order so I could watch them in order.

I especially enjoy the pieces on fluoride. Back home my father sells water out of his store but has a reverse osmosis filtration system. When I drink water there it feels better to me and the air is much cleaner. A very rejuvinating get away. My biological son stays with my step mom and dad. I liked that idea because I can't afford my own water filtration system.

Originally posted by PositivelyDetermined
This guy is awesome I went through about 15-20 videos in one day and can't get enough. I just wish the videos were set out in playlists and put out in order so I could watch them in order.

I've only seen his series titled "debunk this".

I hear his other videos are a tad more on the side of speculation, so I've yet to watch them.

I'll get around to it...but I'm more of a "gimmie the facts" kinda guy.

I admit I didn't read every post in this thread. I did look over the OKC bombing. What is conspicuously missing from the video are dates. Dates are important in putting together a time line.

1. It is true that the governor's brother was writing a book
   
2. It is true that the name of the character is Tom McVey
   

but

1. It is also true that the book came out well after the bombing. That's right, the author started before the event, but published after the event. There was plenty of time to change the name of the character
   
2. In the book the bomb does not go off
   

There are other books about home grown terrorists blowing up federal buildings such as Let Us Prey by Bill Brannon.

Originally posted by kameo

Originally posted by Goethe
Good stuff.



This is just another reason is TPTB trying to take over the net...

No they are not. It's just the opposite. The net is taking you over.

...By 'fighting' them you accept the current hivemind been imposed as your personality and identity and thus just further the NWO-agenda. ... You are in the NWO. The NWO is in your mind. You see just words and facades but not the principles behind them. You are an ant and the ant swarm buzzing around you is the NWO... Taboos of your enemy are very helpful, but be careful not to become the caricatural boogieman they represent. They have no qualms in massmurdering, why then they have imposed taboos and morals on us? They guide us with words and mental images... It's not the guys who come with guns at your face, but beliefs, principles and truths that you all share and have absorbed in your childhood... It's they, who you think you are fighting against, who have created the internet and set the principles of modern technology. Just by operating the net you must channel your existence through certain principles and thus become IT. You are being eaten.

NWO is not an organization but more like a mindset or principle that's pushing through. Those various organizations and secret societies you all are aware are radiating certain principle. At the heart of it there's one genepool through which the anti-evolutional principle oozes... It doesn't matter if you chose the channel yourself or even if you make your own YouTube poop. You're still nothing but a blob of nerves and flesh twisting and moaning in response to artificial stimulus and being connected to a global cybernetic hivemind. Sexual, mental or cerebral stimulus is the name of the game. It doesn't matter which one you choose.

You can't win the NWO by replacing old mental images or words with new ones. The situation is just spiraling into deeper.

Animalistic persons watch porn, sports and changing colors on TV/PC, more cerebralistic ones uphold word constructs and artificial values. Net is just a data transfer technology and tool. It in it self is no salvation. If 'you' were fooled at the time of posthorns, then you are fooled now. Don't mix absolute numbers to relative percentage. More people live in fantasy worlds now than in 1800s.

As long as you are upholding words, images, etc. you are upholding the NWO. Anti-NWO rhetoric is NWO. Obama the Messiah is one side of the coin, Obama the Joker / Hitler is another...

It's occult warfare and it's existencial.

Great post there! Yes, the internet is becoming the new TV, overrun by advertising, vacuous content, and spokespersons, yes it is both occult and existential warfare, and the individual is getting his ass kicked by the Machine, by the NWO, by over-socialization--whatever you want to call it. Elitism, sort of, like that held by the 18th century European aristocracy (where many of the disciplines today found their start: psychology, eugenics, electronics, for example).

All of life has become suffused with unconscious, signature-based surrenders of our rights and liberties that we no longer can specifically say what those rights and liberties are. We are constantly being asked to sign on the dotted line" and each time we do we are signing a waiver or a release. Driver licenses, social security cards, birth certificates, credit card applications, school emergency information cards, traffic tickets--all of them have much deeper and more significant meanings than the ones we recognize with our conscious minds. We think we know what they mean, but who actually reads them line by line before signing them?

You, my friend, are probably one of the few who understands that a signature is a magic knot, one that binds us and enslaves us.

Thus the relationship of responsibility to freedom is also becoming difficult to discern as society becomes evermore the cloying parent, hell-bent on protecting you from making any mistakes and determined never to let you grow up and let you become aware of who is pulling which strings.


Edit to add: Oh and great post by the OP, too! Thank you Mr. Mask! I am always looking for stuff like this to show my immediate family and friends and this is pretty good: to the point, documented, but not eye-glazingly long. And damn hard to argue against, too!



[edit on 5/16/10 by without_prejudice]

Watched one of his videos, nothing new here, just all the typical stuff that is all over ats already and tons of other sites. Plus his voice and accent really annoys me! lol

Originally posted by jeasahtheseer
Watched one of his videos, nothing new here, just all the typical stuff that is all over ats already and tons of other sites. Plus his voice and accent really annoys me! lol

I posted these clips to show a "good job" done by a guy doing his own "work" out of his own "time".

I admit in the OP and throughout this thread that the material is for "beginners", and that they serve better as a "tool" to show "new comers" to these subjects.

I have also pointed out that the true worth of these clips are that they are completely filled with "undebunkable" material. That's worth a lot when it comes to "conspiracy" topics that are usually littered with speculation and "unfounded rumors".

The clips themselves may be a bit too "simple" for many here who have digested this information long ago.

But, they come in handy as "stepping stones" to show friends who may consider you nuts for "thinking about these subjects".

The guy who made them is doing a great job, and I have used these clips on some nay-sayers in the past.

I recommend his series of "Debunk This" to everyone looking for some good ammunition in the war of spreading truth.

M Mask








[edit on 14-7-2010 by Mr Mask]

To call this stuff as being

"undebunkable" material

is over the top. In the case of the OKC bombing it was a little circumstantial fluff at best.

Originally posted by stereologist
To call this stuff as being

"undebunkable" material

is over the top. In the case of the OKC bombing it was a little circumstantial fluff at best.

Sigh...we have gone over this before.

There is not one single bit of information in any of these clips (in the OP) that is "debunkable" because the creator of said clips wanted to share "only proven facts" on these subjects.

Everything in the clips, including the OKC one, is proven and reported as fact by the mainstream media and various other sources.

So...no...saying they are "undebunkable" is not "over the top".

Sorry.

You are wrong.

Good luck out there.

reply to post by Mr Mask


Let me make this easier to comprehend. I said that the video was nothing more than circumstantial fluff. In fact, it sucked. It was the only 1 I wasted my time watching. If the maker of these videos cannot produce anything more than boring, uninteresting claptrap that somehow avoids a proper timeline, then I strongly suggest that no one else waste any time with the videos.

I really did not want to argue against this silliness, but your claim that i was wrong warrants such a recommendation against the videos.

reply to post by stereologist


Well, well, well...

For your information, these videos have spread far and wide, and are responcible for getting my parents, and a bunch of people I know "looking deeper".

If you do not understand that "beginner material" is not only necessary, but "hard to find" for introducing people to what is going on...that is fine.

The OP was clear in its intent.

"beginner material" to throw at "people who laugh at these subjects".

You say there is better and more damning material out there? Do ya huh? Well, let me inform you that most avenues of conspiracy are littered with rumors, disinfo, misinformed facts, etc. You will find it hard to match this man's material's worth.

You call it dumb...I've gotten dozens of folks "researching the bigger picture" after making them watch these.

They are welcomed weapons in my arsenal against ignorance.

Lastly...are you so sure this guy's stuff is worthless? I mean...are YOU doing anything to help spread awareness?

Prolly not, huh?

Well...good luck out there.

Good day.

reply to post by Mr Mask

You say there is better and more damning material out there? Do ya huh? Well, let me inform you that most avenues of conspiracy are littered with rumors, disinfo, misinformed facts, etc. You will find it hard to match this man's material's worth.

I guess this is a little hard for you to comprehend. Let me dumb this down. The video was a bunch of junk. It sucked. The material was designed to suck in stupid people.

In more polite terms it was circumstantial fluff of no value.

I mean...are YOU doing anything to help spread awareness?

Yes. I am pointing out how idiotic these videos are trying to make something out of circumstantial fluff.

reply to post by stereologist


Thanks for your review.

Good luck out there.