The Plan for the United States of America

I have great reason to believe that Illuminator is telling the truth. If you've read his previous thread you know who he is and what this is all about.

USA food crisis:
www.homelandstupidity.us...

China is buying food from the US? It seems as though everything is falling into place.

I would advise you in North America to retreat south ASAP

reply to post by Illuminator13


As a patriot mama and a gun owner.
I would rather die fighting back,then
hiding away in another country like
a coward.
Now,if yellowstone erupts...bye, bye!

Oh good lord. A HUGE flaw in your thread is why on Earth would the US government just play tetris with 300MILLION people? Why not just seal off the cities. That's easier than relocating them to camps for no logical reason. You do not understand the order of magnitude of THREE HUNDRED MILLION. That is a LOT of people. So how are they logistically going to support the mass relocation of that many people? There are not enough trains, busses, APCs, troop transports, or even enough troops or law enforcement in the US to carry out that kind of relocation. Where are they going to get the food, water, clothing, beds or even find space for that many people?? And please tell me WHY are they going to move EVERYONE in the US into camps? Why not just keep them in the cities?

Not to mention law enforcement and SWAT and military all have families here. Do you really think every single police officer and soldier are all brainwashed enough to turn against their own parents, wives and children?

If the dollar is worthless how do you expect the US and the military to afford all this? Gas, trucks, maintenance, food, bedding, clothing, medical care, ammo, guns, water: these are all expenses that the military has to spend DOLLARS on. Where are they going to get the funding for that kind of operation if the dollar is worthless?

You said China and Russia are going to kill most Americans. Why would they murder hundreds of millions of civilians and how?


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reply to post by Illuminator13


Pick your battles wisely.






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[edit on 7-5-2010 by HappilyEverAfter]

Originally posted by Arcandost
I have great reason to believe that Illuminator is telling the truth. If you've read his previous thread you know who he is and what this is all about.

Ok, are you a long time lurker, that you would even know about his previous thread? You just got an account with ATS, and this is your first post.

USA food crisis:
www.homelandstupidity.us...

If this previous thread is so important, why didn't you creat an account then, to make a reply?

China is buying food from the US? It seems as though everything is falling into place.

A lot of countries by food from the US. How is this any different?

I would advise you in North America to retreat south ASAP

And why would that be? Where are you, and how is it that you feel it is ok to give people living in the US, this advice?

You are not even offering any reasoning as to why you feel it is important for people to follow your advice. As a matter of fact, you sound an awful lot like the creator of this thread!

edit to add:

I also find it interesting that the original owner of the thread has signed off as of 20 minutes ago, and here you are, jumping in just after that to make the reply you have.



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And how do you think that China or Russia is going to shut down the power? We took care of that issue back in the late 90's. All our power is generated within the US and the individual states. And as a former MP and law enforcement, I can tell you that most of them will join our side and restore the constitution, which is what we all swore to protect, and take the country back. I have spoken with many of them.

There isn't enough troops to take down the US. They hardly could contain a third world city like Bagdad. Forget 300 million, with a large number of them ex-military, law enforcement, etc. We can train people in combat tactice, marksmanship, etc. Afghanistan kicked Russia out of their country. We are way more well armed, know our own territory, and I could go one for quite awhile. The people that are planning to take guns? If everyone I know takes 2 or 3 out for every time they try to take guns from a home, there won't be anyone left to finish taking the other 120 million guns.

It just won't happen. The only way they can win is through biological warfare. And they know that those bugs can mutate and take them out as well. That is why they haven't done so on the planet already.

I don't recall the Admirals name in WWII that said this, "All we have done is awaken a sleeping giant". That is the American people. And another statement I recall was when he was talking about invasion of America. He said," There will be a gun behind every blade of grass". That is how Russia and China see us as well.

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Yes I just created this account, I've been lurking for maybe under a month. I've had no reason to step forward but when I saw this thread I thought it would be about time.

For a second, let's just say martial law was declared, the borders would be closed and all hell would break loose. The economic collapse of the dollar would cause riots and violent acts.

Now let's say the glaciers were to suddenly melt, the sea levels would rise and most of North America would be underwater. If one wanted to avoid such a disaster it would be a good idea to get somewhere high up- in the mountains would be your best bet.

And lastly I would have made a reply to his previous thread but by the time I discovered it Illuminator was inactive.

reply to post by Arcandost


Given all the scenarios presented, this person is telling people to get the hell out of dodge, immediately.

What you mentioned are things that would take some amount of time with warning.

Maybe it's just me, but this type of fear mongering is almost as bad as what this person proposes.

There are people who might read the thoughts of this author, and who might take it seriously. In my opinion, that is not right. The author did not give any reasons for these warnings, and was asked pointedly if they would, and they said, "NO."

For all we know, this person had a dream, a vision, or a bad trip of some kind.

Proof, by way of another thread, is in my opinion, not proof at all, especially when this person refuses to answer questions.

Originally posted by Darkrunner
I was almost interested until I saw the 'americans in concentration camps' bit.

Never happen. We are one of the most heavily armed populaces on the face of the earth.

The military we have could not even HOPE to contain, corral and send people to concentration camps. A military of 4 million trying to deal with a nation of almost 300 million, shooting at them from every corner, rooftop and ditch?



Keep dreaming.

We also might be the most brain washed & divided on Earth, never under estimate the level of undeserved blind obedience a sheep will give the government or church.. those armed citizens you speak of exist, yes.. but how many will assist in possible "round up's" of their brethren if they are led to believe it's the right thing for America or God?.. 1930s Germans & various religions have done it, and a cursory glace at history tells us other populations have turned on each-other as well.. US Civil war?.. brothers killing brothers?

Our armed populace will only benefit "us" if it's understood our common enemy is "them"; the political elite of both parties and their shadowy banker gangster overlords... sociopaths who would squash us like bugs if we threatened their grip on power.

America's guns will never be taken by anyone, except that they might take the bullets if they even tried. This thread is fear mongering at its finest. The dollar might crash and there might be a food shortage, but I don't see anything else happening that this thread foretells.

If it did happen, and we left America, we could all go to Mexico since their president is all for illegals in a foreign country. (sarcasm)

OP, maybe you should take a break from ATS for awhile. Sit back in a lawnchair and soak up some sun, listen to the birds sing. Relax.....

reply to post by Illuminator13

7.) The Chinese Invade the USA, maybe the Russians also.

I really laugh and say with confidence there is NO WAY another country could invade the UNITED STATES of AMERICA,we have the best trained armed forces in the world.and alot of those with the training are National Guard and Reserves.

And yes there are Special ops soldiers"Rangers and Green Berets"that are civilians just waiting to be called up or defend in a moments notice.aside from the notion we will be invaded any invasion will have to be a ground
assault.any air will be dealt with with extreme prejudice


Those forces will have to enter via West coast(Cali,OR.WA.)East coast(N.Y. D.C. S and N carolina Georgia)Gulf coast(Texas,LA.Ms.Ala.)when they hit one of these 3 coasts here is a short list of folks they will encounter

Gangster Disciples, Bloods, Crips, Black Disciples, Hells Angels, Latin Kings, The 18th Street Gang, Vice Lords, Black P. Stones, Tiny Rascal Gang, , Friends Stand United, Armenian Power, Trinitario,Outlaws, and Bandidos, criminal organizations including the American Mafia the Irish Mob, the Israeli mafia, the Japanese Yakuza, and various white supremacist groups including the Ku Klux Klan

Thats not including Armed law abiding citizens and national Guard


OHH i think that kinda kills the rounding up part as well..some of your other things i may buy but not a invasion foreign or domestic thx for the good post and the heads up

Originally posted by kennylee

America's guns will never be taken by anyone, except that they might take the bullets if they even tried. This thread is fear mongering at its finest. The dollar might crash and there might be a food shortage, but I don't see anything else happening that this thread foretells.

If it did happen, and we left America, we could all go to Mexico since their president is all for illegals in a foreign country. (sarcasm)

OP, maybe you should take a break from ATS for awhile. Sit back in a lawnchair and soak up some sun, listen to the birds sing. Relax.....

Could be, but history tells us empires always fall sooner or later and power vacuums are filled by opportunists, usually at gun-point.

The USA has recently caused a million innocent souls to be killed, with millions more suffering.. invaded & occupied 2 nations based on lies while going broke in the process. The world isn't populated by republicans or democrats, or patriotic Americans who choose to believe what our leaders are doing is justified..

People in other nations laugh at & reject the dumb excuses for violence Americans purchase from their party leaders like bush & odrama... not unlike 1930s Germany where most of the world was horrified at Hitler, but Germans bought into the spin, lived in denial, wrapped themselves in the flag and refused to believe their dear leader & country could be that bad, 'bah.. they're just anti-Germany and don't understand'. This reminds me of 2010 USA.. our leaders can't cause this much global suffering & strife based on lies and not piss off millions of foreigners who would happily sign up to serve us a taste of our own violent medicine.. or bring the US down to stop the empires violence & manipulation.

Military service?.. you can't possibly begin to imagine the total horror ave rage Iraqis feel at having invaders break into their homes at gunpoint.. I can think of a few million Muslims who would relish the opportunity to subject Americans to the same.. motive is there and a broke cripple US govt provides opportunity, all that's missing: means, which China, Russia, Iran, and a few others could muster.

It's happened before many times in history, and it could happen again.. there is a certain fuzzy pattern to these things.. the picture is getting clearer by the month... if the US elite keep our nation on the same road IMO it's no longer an 'if', but a 'when'.

That said, it's nothing to get all paranoid or stress about.. history is going to happen and there is nothing any one of us can do to stop it. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, live & enjoy life with the historical understanding the once un-thinkable is now possible.. a simple "in case crap happens" plan is all one needs...I'll be 2 miles off shore watching the poofan splatter on satellite, TBTB won't get any problems from me because I don't care what they do to the nation.. the world is huge with lots of fantastic places to live... places where drugs, hookers and beers on the beach are not greeted with Sheriffs on 4 runners wielding truncheons & cite books!! lol

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LOL... and about 25 million veterans and every crazy freeking militia nut would be drooling. Can you imagine the patriotic fervor that would ensue? The greatest WAR in American history since the War of Independence..... Foreign troops on US Soil! A freeking dream come true for many a zealot.... truly defending the American homeland on our own soil.... God help the enemy.

reply to post by Illuminator13


Well if you are wrong you should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, if you are right then nothing really matters at this point.

Originally posted by Illuminator13
If you leave the United States within the next Week or so, you will be spare this fate.

Oh no, I only have 1 week left to leave? Dang, I just don't think my wife is gonna like this.

But I do love all the accurate predictions on this site. If nothing else, they serve for great comedic reading.

reply to post by infolurker


Someone will have to help them...its a losing battle if they bring to the U S

Perhaps you should have quoted this thread instead.

(J) I am going to advise you to leave the United States of America if you can because things have happened and consequences will be dire. I myself am going to be leaving within the next four months, if there is enough time left. Even I am concerned about my safety now. If you want to know where you should be thinking about going: Anywhere in the Southern Hemisphere near the Equator but away from Volcanoes, Fault Lines, The Sea etc. Try to stay inland, if you are going that is.

The only reason I am telling you this is because I would not feel right if I did not attempt to help you. I am not attempting to scare you as I am sure you do not fear death, I just think kind people like you need to survive what is coming.

Well anyway, The Clock is about to strike 12 Mr. Penre. What will you do when midnight comes?

(W) From your email, it seems obvious that a catastrophe is near, whether it's manmade, natural or both.

(J) It is going to be both but I'm not going to give out the details though.

I'm just going to say that everything is FUBAR.

[Yesterday, May 6, 2010]:

(J) That oil spill changed my plans. I am leaving within two weeks. I STRONGLY advise you to get out before it is too late.

When the economy crashes Martial Law will be declared as there is also a food shortage in America that HAS NOT been allowed to leak in the mainstream media. When this happens Gold will be outlawed and it will be worthless. All of the 'food hoarder's' will be in for a surprise because their food will be taken. The U.S. Army is going to be used as 'shock troops'. Everything will go down in a less than 2 months at the most and I want you and your family to leave immediately. I haven't even mentioned the thing about China and its plan...if you stay I am 95% sure that you will not live to see 2012.

This reminds me of a movie I watched called 'Saw'...

Good luck in whatever you decide to do, but I prefer to be watching from the sidelines and not be apart of the fray. Life in XXX (deleted) will be hard and something that I am accustomed to (I was training to be a Special Operations Soldier) but life in America is almost certain death.

I can only shake my head at all of the people who are oblivious to what is coming, they live in fantasy land and very soon reality will hit them like a ton of bricks and, trust me, you DON'T want to be around when that happens.

I have been told that China is plotting an invasion after the US economy collapses btw. You don't want to be around when that happens.

There is no Military here, they are in the Middle East.

There won't be any Gun owners because when Martial Law is declared guns will be banned.

Hell, there isn't even enough food.

...I see people on the street arguing about petty things and superficial matters...America has truly gone to the 'Dark Side' and it will all come crashing down shortly, maybe then, in their final moments, will they realize what is truly important and what is not. Foreigners were right, America is a greedy place.

So if this Insider is correct, there is very little time.

I have excluded some of our communication because it's private and/or would reveal his identity, but other than that, it's copied and pasted from email conversations.

I advise anyone who takes this seriously to ASAP leave the country if at all possible and follow Jack's instructions. Those who have followed my work over the last 12 years know that this is not coming as a surprise -- I have told people for years that this will happen in time, and it looks like this time could be now!

People are worried about 2012, but that may be the least of our concerns now. Those who follow Jack's advice may live to see what 2012 brings, but the many may not.

Do as you wish -- take this announcement seriously or discard it, it's up to you. Personally, I take it seriously. However, if I am wrong (and Jack is wrong), no one would be happier than I, and it's "business as usual". If so, and people rage against me for putting this information out, so be it! At least I tried to save lives when I thought I had an opportunity to do so -- MANY lives.

Thanks for listening and let's pray this won't happen. But still, take action if you can, because if it DOES happen, you may not be here to see the end of 2010.

Still, perhaps the most important thing of it all: don't panic! Take a deep breath and start thinking about you OWN unique situation and how you can make the changes. There are different solutions for different people -- but be rational! If you are guided by fear, your solution will not be beneficial to your survival. So sit down and write down a plan and stick to it. That's the way to do it. If people panic, that alone will get us in deep trouble.

Sound familiar??

Source: multiverse.wespenre.com...



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reply to post by lpowell0627


Nice catch!

This whole thread sure looks like a rip-off of what you found!

What's interesting is that the food shortage is a very real thing.

Between bad weather and the bee population plummeting, food prices are already on the rise. My uncle, who does orders for produce and meat at a independent supermarket, knows this for a fact.