CONSERVATIVES WIN... UK Election...

If Conservatives and Lib Dems make a deal , we would be the ConDem Nation then ?

Originally posted by Velvet1
That is according to the Dow Jones record BUT more importantly ; )-** Paddy Power £££$$$ betting...they have already paid out on bets that Conservatives win most seats, Cameron as PM.

Dow Jones

www.guardian.co.uk...

Paddy Power

www.electionbetting.com...


This doesn't take into account a hung parliament that the MSM have been leading and preparing voters for as the result.

So, looks like the cat is well and truly in the bag for the already selected Cons?

What would be really interesting is IF one of the leaders lost their seat?

Votes count?

The Euro is trading at the exact prices that the Illuminati Glaobalist that control it want it traded at. Period

The Euro is a currency that has no tanglible backing to it. It's the only currency in the world that is not represented by a specific country of origin.
In other words the Euro is the poster child for fiat-currency, which is currency with not tangible solid material backing it. either with Gold or even a Country.

This is why the Greek economy is collapsing, because they put their stake in paper that is not even worth the ink it's printed with.

Our brothers at AHM have just broken down the entire Greek finiancial debacle for you to see.

Check it out for yourselves, then ask yourself why Greece in imploding:

rikijo.blogspot.com...

Originally posted by usermi5

Originally posted by Velvet1
That is according to the Dow Jones record BUT more importantly ; )-** Paddy Power £££$$$ betting...they have already paid out on bets that Conservatives win most seats, Cameron as PM.

Dow Jones

www.guardian.co.uk...

Paddy Power

www.electionbetting.com...


This doesn't take into account a hung parliament that the MSM have been leading and preparing voters for as the result.

So, looks like the cat is well and truly in the bag for the already selected Cons?

What would be really interesting is IF one of the leaders lost their seat?

Votes count?

The Euro is trading at the exact prices that the Illuminati Glaobalist that control it want it traded at. Period

The Euro is a currency that has no tanglible backing to it. It's the only currency in the world that is not represented by a specific country of origin.
In other words the Euro is the poster child for fiat-currency, which is currency with not tangible solid material backing it. either with Gold or even a Country.

This is why the Greek economy is collapsing, because they put their stake in paper that is not even worth the ink it's printed with.

Our brothers at AHM have just broken down the entire Greek finiancial debacle for you to see.

Check it out for yourselves, then ask yourself why Greece in imploding:

rikijo.blogspot.com...

I'm not sure if that is correct as stated, British Sterling pounds are issued through several or more banks, so country of origin is irrelevant. China has a similar way with the Yuan in that several banks issue it. The Federal dollar is issued by the Federal bank, which has nothing to do with the Federal reserve.

Originally posted by Freeborn reply to post by Bunken Drum

 

Vinve Cable is an economics genius, his natural position would be Chancellor, unfortunately I can't see The Tories giving such a prominent and high ranking role to the LibDems.

Agreed on both counts.
Quite frankly tho, I dont see how you can attempt to cobble together 2 very different economic strategies without destroying both. Vince Cable's strategy will never be acceptable to the Tories' backers, so I cant see how they could put him in no. 11. Unless... they plan to blame him for the inevitable disaster that their policy alone or some combination will cause.

reply to post by andy1033

Tories have the upper hand in this, and lib dems, need them rather than other way round.

Actually the LibDems dont need the Tories, because the Tories did not win this election, they need the LibDems to form a majority govt. If the Tories cant offer a good deal, Clegg & Co do not have to do a deal with Labour either. They could just let Cameron try to form a minority govt & extract concessions on a vote by vote basis. In the long run, being at arms length from the mess the Tories are about to make of the UK may well be a better position to be in when a minority govt collapses & we go back to the polls. As unemployment rises, the strikes become more frequent, benefits are frozen, crime rises & the only growth in business comes in the debt recovery sector, the British public will be doing the usual thing of voting for what they see as the only alternative & Labour will end up in a somewhat similar position to the Tories now. At that point, a coalition will look a lot more attractive to the LibDems.
Remember, the MPs get paid whatever happens. If their best strategy is to play the long game, its not going to cost them anything to do so.

Originally posted by Drexl If Conservatives and Lib Dems make a deal , we would be the ConDem Nation then ?

Thats brilliant! If the deal happens, I've a feeling we'll be seeing a fair bit of that phrase.

reply to post by Bunken Drum


I agree.
I just can't see how two so diametrically political idealogies can work together, the LibDem manifesto is further left-wing than Labour's at present.

Yeah, there maybe some common ground on things like Education, but surely not enough to justify a common policy or support for a common policy.

If they come up with an agreement then Nick Clegg will be guilty of the biggest act of political prostitution in the modern era and it will show exactly what lengths some will go to just to get a slight sniff of power.

The LibDems try to portray themselves as the moral party with integrity.

They are no different from all the other parties, our politicians are rotten to the core.

reply to post by Freeborn

If they come up with an agreement then Nick Clegg will be guilty of the biggest act of political prostitution in the modern era and it will show exactly what lengths some will go to just to get a slight sniff of power.

True, but I'm finding it less & less likely to happen. Something I heard this am made me think the Tories may be less desperate than it might appear. Now I think it was from a Times correspondent, so there's a degree of spin to consider, but its clear that Labour cant form a minority govt without LibDem support & it would be very unpopular amongst many Brits which could harm the LibDems future prospects. So if no deal can be done with the Tories, that leaves Cameron to form a minority govt. Now, given the state of the markets, he is likely to get a honeymoon period where opposition can be easily deflected. So then what if Cameron calls another election in the autumn, having got a little of his plans through & before the damage they'll cause has really started to bite. He could well increase his number of seats to a small majority.

reply to post by Bunken Drum


There is nothing unusual per se with the negotiation between differing parties. It is a natural aspect of all government selections where no single party has the majority. In the extreme cases, this usually produces an ineffectual government as we often see in European politics (i.e. The Netherlands).

We must remember that the Conservatives and LibDems both want Labour out of government - there is next to no chance that the LibDems will make a deal with Labour considering that they view Labour as a corrupt regime - the ideology is irrelevant, the key factor here is the personnel.

The LibDems will make a deal with the Conservatives, gaining concessions into the bargain which will probably be useful for British politics, reflecting the wider spread of popular support for the Conservatives. The only problem is that the LibDems are not as homogeneous as the other parties and represent a group of loosely aligned radical politics. Once they get over the idea that revolution is not feasible, then they can get on with the business of negotiating and agreeing to support a government in the national interest rather than partisan politics.

Note that the majority of Labour support comes from tightly packed urban areas, however, the distribution for Conservative support is spread all over the country, from West to East, North and South (though not as far North as the Scottish border!).

With LibDem affiliation, a Conservative/LibDem represents the most 'democratic' representation of government achievable within the constraints of our existing electoral system.

The Conservative and LibDem rank and file must be able to tell that this is the only option to secure stability for the UK in the short-medium term and provide a basis for electoral reform in the long-term. Labour promises are aimed at perpetuating the ideology that has infected our country and produced great malaise evident by the cankers in our foreign and domestic affairs.

Until King Arthur returns (the once and future King), politics will always be about the lesser of any evils, a Conservative/LibDem pact provides this and should be fully supported.

[edit on 8-5-2010 by SugarCube]

reply to post by SugarCubeI'm not talking about ideology, I'm talking about stated economic strategy.
Vince Cable's plan is to grow the economy by abolishing income tax on the 1st £10k to put money in our pockets so that we spend it, thus supporting current, & eventually creating new, jobs & generating more tax. He also plans to tax the banks harder than either of the other 2 parties & bring in a new "mansion tax".
George Osbourne plans to reduce corporation tax & increase the threshold of inheritance tax. Its a sort of light weight version of attempting to create growth by wealth trickling down.
Now, leaving aside that "trickle-down" has never worked, these approaches are diametrically opposed. Worse tho is that the only way to compromise is to do almost nothing, or try both at the same time, which then removes part of the means of funding Vince's plan & would be anathema to Tory supporters.
If the LibDems do this, they'll also end up getting the blame, not just for the savage cuts we've been told to expect, but also for the failure of whatever economic policy emerges. They'd be mental!

reply to post by Bunken Drum


The economic strategies to haul the UK back from the brink are going to need more than either inheritance tax ceiling changes or taxation band changes; I don't think that these should necessarily be the primary obstructions to a Conservative/LibDem pact.

Government spending & deficit is one of the major areas of concern and this is intrinsically related to ideological temperament since it is primarily focussed on the public sector infrastructure. Public sector net debt as a percentage of GDP has grown from around 36% in early 2007 to around 63% in 2010. Apart from monthly changes, the overall trend has been a yearly increase from around 29% in 2002. Note that this coincides exactly with the 2nd tenure of Tony Blair. During Blair's 1st tenure it had dropped consistently from a high of around 43%

Stimulation of the private sector to produce extra tax revenues will not have a significant impact as this is more of a medium-long term strategy. The short term benefits will have to be predicated upon cuts - pure and simple.

Some of these cuts will come from efficiency drives, streamlining and process improvements. In fact, significant cuts could be achieved via investment in certain technologies in support of the national business infrastructure.

Regardless, immediate benefits will only be achieved by slashing spending and public sector staffing is bound to face the sharp edge of the blade. This is of interest in an ideological sense since it represents the core values of Labour/Conservative beliefs (i.e. larger centralised governance of Labour v. smaller distributed power base of Conservatives).

The main effects will be felt in urban areas, Labour controlled, and so although there will be plenty of shouting in the commons the Conservative and LibDem controlled areas will go largely directly unaffected.

Ideology is at the heart of the ills that have been visited upon the UK and will be a significant part of the solution, however that may manifest in terms of strategic and tactical policy.

Moderation of Conservative policy via the LibDems will have a beneficial affect if used wisely. Point scoring by either the Blues or the Yellows based on ideology will have a negative affect for national interests. I am hoping that some ideological aspects will be 'negated' by virtue of the differences between Blue and Yellow and as a result.

It sounds as if Clegg is starting to believe his own publicity, he's back to being the media 'Golden Child'.

What he has to remember is that his party utterly failed at the election.

Much as I dislike Cameron and the torys, I think they should kick Clegg into touch and form a minority Government.


Saying that, I wouldn't be surprised if all the parties are trying to lose the election. Let's face it, our austerity measures are likely to get a bit nippy.

I despise The Tory's with a passion.

But we need stability.

Cameron should be allowed to form a minority governemnt and another General Election should be called in no more than 12months time.

In the meantime we need full and open enquiries into the farcical ballot and electoral and parliamentary reform.

Originally posted by Bunken Drum
reply to post by Velvet1

 

Dow & Paddy Correct! Conservatives WIN but with no overall majority.

No, they weren't correct. The result was that the Tories lost less badly than the rest. Otherwise we wouldn't be waiting to see what deals are in the making.

Have to correct you here. Yes they were correct and that's why my bet was paid out BEFORE voting even started. As to the DOW correct again...23/25 predictive moves...Up Labour win - Down Conservatives win.

The bet was; Tories win BUT with no overall majority! WIN=Correct. Hung had nothing to do with the bet.

Bookies don't pay out until after a result unless they know they have lost. Which is why the O'bama win was also paid out before voting even commenced again.

reply to post by Velvet1



So are you suggesting it's rigged, or just a foregone conclusion?

There have been many instances of bookies paying out beforehand, usually as a goodwill gesture.
They do it for good press, not because of conspiracy, but for money. That's their business...money.

Just to add a bit more intrigue into the political soup.

What does everyone think about the former UK Independence Party (UKIP) leader Nigel Farage, who was injured in a plane crash in Northamptonshire, who has now been released from hospital?

For anyone that doesn't know(?) he is the very man that made the headlines back in February cited as; Destroying Herman Van Rompuy (Rumpy Pumpy as I like to call him : ) in the EU sessions.

Hmm and suddenly he is in a near fatal airplane crash this week!

As I say, the plots thicken.

Link to main article with those incredible outbursts....

www.guardian.co.uk...

Originally posted by Knobby
reply to post by Velvet1

 

So are you suggesting it's rigged, or just a foregone conclusion?

There have been many instances of bookies paying out beforehand, usually as a goodwill gesture.
They do it for good press, not because of conspiracy, but for money. That's their business...money.

I am not saying anything other than predictive.


Sure, it's good press etc... but it happens so often, when you study predictive betting coupled with other strong indicators, it becomes an almost sure bet, so draw what you like from that?

reply to post by SugarCubeOK I can see where you're coming from & partially agree. I see Cable's intention to hold off severe public sector cuts as dove-tailing with his tax plans to support jobs now, so that when the cuts cause unemployment in 2011, we'll have had a year of growth & more of those people will be able to find a new job. As you say, the Tories plans are driven by their usual ideology: cut public services. They'd want to do it no matter the state of the economy.
I just dont think the LibDems have enough power to reign the Tories in. Remember, however Cameron likes to portray himself as a new kind of conservative, he was a special advisor to Norman Lamont & is an admirer of Thatcher. He is the direct descendant of the neo-con ideas that have already caused 2 recessions in the UK & led to this worldwide financial crisis.
Seriously, if you keep doing the same thing expecting a different outcome, you're insane, right? The Tories are insane & the LibDems should stay clear of the coming disaster.
The markets want a majority govt? The fact is, all western currencies are overvalued compared to those of the BRIC nations: thats another bubble waiting to pop. There'll be major issues with the markets anyway. The last thing we need is a "strong government" that favours trying to appease financiers with the same policies that caused the problem.

reply to post by Velvet1 Oh, so we ask bookies & commentators who won our elections now do we? No, we count the seats in Westminster. If a party has a majority, they win. If they dont, they have to either do a deal with other losers or go on as losers on their own.

It makes no difference who forms the next government because New Labour have completely destroyed this country and our economy, so the next government is in for one hell of a rough time and so are we the people.

Bank of England governor 'warned of tough times'
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Mervyn King, the governor of the Bank of England, has today suggested that the next UK government would have to make so many controversial cuts in public services that it would be potentially unelectable for decades to come. There is a growing concern that the next UK government could be left holding a poisoned chalice with large-scale public sector investment cuts, job cuts in the public sector and tax increases all set to kick in over the next parliamentary session.

It is difficult to get across how dire the UK economy is at the moment and how much debt the UK government has built up over the last few years. This is a country which now owes trillion, this is a country with a budget deficit of billion and a country which will pay billions of pounds in interest on debt for years to come. Against this backdrop the UK economy is struggling to pull free of the recession, unemployment is set to reach 3 million and we have the likelihood of a collapse in the Greek economy.

All of these issues have come together to create a nightmare scenario for the next UK government, whoever that may be.