SWAT kills two dogs in front of children during a house raid over a marijuana posession.

Originally posted by FraternitasSaturni
reply to post by curious_soul

 

I'm sorry curious_soul, you dont send the Swat in with a search warrant, you send regular officers knocking on people's door. This was a planned operation destined to catch someone red handed (the warrant is merely burocracy, its a paper they have to carry with them, thats all, even the swat. That "someone" is not an innocent, its someone they WANT to catch, they KNOW his guilty, and because other means have failed they had the need of a strong approach. If you think you mobilize a swat team over night to "kick people's doors and shoot their dogs" for no reason, you are sadly mistaken.

This took some homework... the guy just got lucky and the cops got very very bad luck. Maybe that was the one single freakin day he was clean yet he was that lucky.

But hell... he should expect more visits in some time anyway cause they wont be happy with that "misdemeanor".. so eventually he'll get caught.

I'm not wrong! They had to go before a judge to get a search warrant. The judge could have granted an order to arrest and detain the guy if their was enough suspecion and people were in imeadiate danger.

This discussion has got wayyyy off topic. The SWAT team still has to follow procedure. This guy is entitled to a jury trail if he pursues it and there is no way in HELL you will find a jury that will agree that proper procedure took place here.

-Common sense tells you they didn't even give the guy a chance to open the door before busting it down.

-Common sense tells you they were firing imeaditely upon entering.

-Common sense tells you the SWAT team has no right to commit multiple felonies while executing a search warrant.

-Common sense tells you just because someone might be dealing pot that makes this person's dogs trainned killers, trainned to attack people.

-Common sense tells you just because this guy might be suspected of dealing pot it doesn't mean you're going to shoot police officers or a member of a SWAT team

Whoever provided the information to a judge for this to happen ought to be investigated and fired or charged as well. The judge should also be investigated to see if there actually was possible cause to issue this search warrant.

To imply this is even remotely okay for this situation to ever occur over a misdemeanor charge is completely psychotic.

Originally posted by DeltaBravoSierra

Screw the dogs,human life takes presidence.

Finally someone that understands the differences between humans and animals.

What about pigs?

Human life must take "presidence" (precedence) over pig lives too then, doesn't it?

Originally posted by DrEyebrows

Originally posted by FraternitasSaturni
I'm on the fence on this one... cant really blame the cops.

get in quick, give no time for the targets to react and secure the place with the objective of 0 casualties always in mind.

Then the guy had 2 dogs... in that extremely tense situation, and btw I didnt see any "caged" dog...

As for the Corgi... ok, corgis are small, but their silhouette, if you know a corgi, its of a "bigger dog".

I dont know... its seems like we cant really blame the cops, it was not cold blooded shooting of animals, the situation is a stressful one... so I cant blame them.

I would never have the freakin swat bursting into my house looking for any kind of drug cause I simply dont have a "drug record".

[edit on 6-5-2010 by FraternitasSaturni]

Sorry, no. They truly are to blame. Sometimes I think some people defending the police have other agendas because it almost seems preposterous. Correct me if I am wrong but I see 7 guys in full body armor? Semi-assault guns...what kind of a threat exactly is going on here meth production lab?

The first dog was in a cage, I will trust the charges brought about in the news story about that one. You said "corgis are small, but their silhouette...". You are joking right? If I was one of those "OFFICERS" and a corgi jumped me it's pretty simple what to do. Let it attack your left ARMORED hand and with your right put one hammer blow with your SAP glove over it's head. 3 seconds, situation neutralized. Trust me, that dog will shut up for a couple hours.

All this is overkill. It really seems to me like a drunken frat party of idiots than people I trust to protect and serve. When I hear the word thug I will probably have the images from this video in my head for awhile.

What fantasy world do you live in where a swat team "would never burst into my house looking for any kind of drug cause I simply dont have a drug record". Oh, really? Any idiot with any kind of agenda can make an anonymous tip, whether you have a record or not, and these APES DRUNK ON ADRENALIN then will come a knockin'. Doubt me? Simple experiment to perform.

So I am assuming when you are on the SWAT team you are used to dealing with stressful situations correct? I would think they have to go through some kind of training? Weekly training too? I don't know about you but if I storm a house with a sweet H&K semi-assault rifle in full body armor with 6 other of my friends and we train for this weekly...well this situation wouldn't ring too high on my alert schedule now would it?

I love how everyone has the mindset of "0" casualties in the physical sense but have no sense of the emotional casualty it will bring. Can you possibly even comprehend the YEARS of therapy and deep trauma now that this man's poor kids and wife will have to go through? That isn't a "CASUALTY"? Sickens me.

It is a simple observation, and I mentioned it in another thread about this.

THESE APES GET DRUNK OFF OF THEIR ADRENALIN HIGH. I am sure if any of them even read these posts all I can see their reaction being is slamming their fist on their computer desk, saying a bunch of expletives, and then getting themselves even more amped and riled again to do it all over again. See? Apes....baboons even.

That is all.

Ok... first this was not a meth lab but if it was you are prolly not aware of the danger it is to enter a meth lab. If you gave that example as an exageration to minimize that particular situation, let me tell you that if that was a meth lab they wouldnt go there with full body armor, they would get there with CNB gear, yes it is THAT dangerous. The fumes on a meth lab are to be taken serious.

Second... yes your peripheral vision can fool you when it comes to silhouettes, and yes if you know what a corgi is, it seems like a dwarf german sheppard and you're peripheral vision does not evaluate the "size" over distance cause its not bifocal ok? Your evaluation of a critical zone as a spec operative is made PRIOR to the entrance. Now if something happens that was not predicted, hell you'll have to rely on training which I'll tell you below.

As for the training, yes the training is EXACTLY was justifies the reaction. See the average joe prolly stops to "look better" or "think before he acts". And prolly gets shot while doing this. Dont think that the swat training gives you preparation to "be cool in situations of stress", it teaches you to react faster than the situation itself. Sharpens your instincts and reflexes, you really have to be there almost "before it happens" when it does. He could even have shot the kid by mistake if he jumped out screaming with a wolf mask.

And now the "trauma". So you say the "YEARS of therapy and deep trauma" on the kids and wife are due to the swat? Not the the fact their dad was selling dope which was why the swat went in. Nice skewed judgment you have there. If the kids or the wife wish to thank their trauma to, thank their father / husband cause he destroyed his family when he decided to sell dope for extra cash not thinking about them. Blaming the cops is ridiculous. Blame the father, he was the trigger that shot Swat in ok?

And by the way... as for me being an ignorant behind a desk well... unfortunately I'm not that ignorant and not all that much behind a desk... not as much as I wanted to anyway... but still I try to explain some POV that people dont grasp. You have no idea of the training of a spec operative, behavior "in action" and you cant judge what you dont know nothing about. I could go there, but I wont.

So keep your "poor dope dealer" crap chat and keep calling spec ops "adrenaline addicted apes" cause theres always one day you'll cry on their shoulder and thank them for putting their lives on the line for people like you that come to internet forums to diss them.

Originally posted by bsbray11

Originally posted by DeltaBravoSierra

Screw the dogs,human life takes presidence.

Finally someone that understands the differences between humans and animals.

What about pigs?

Human life must take "presidence" (precedence) over pig lives too then, doesn't it?

Oh I see what you did there, its a cleverly disguised police joke..oh how clever! So very witty! Good job!! YAY!

Originally posted by DeltaBravoSierra
Oh I see what you did there, its a cleverly disguised police joke..oh how clever! So very witty! Good job!! YAY!

What's even better is that I meant it sincerely and from the bottom of my heart!

reply to post by curious_soul


Its called protocol. Or in layman's words "the rules of the game".

Its just how the cookie crumbles.

Originally posted by DrEyebrows

Originally posted by DeltaBravoSierra

Screw the dogs,human life takes presidence.

Finally someone that understands the differences between humans and animals.

Finally, a clear vision of how people have actually lost their humanity by seeing how they are not connected to all living things.

Wonderful mindset.

At what point should an animal be more important than a human life? Noone can answer me that, and since you are so intuned and interconnected with animals...perhaps you can explain it.