Gulf Oil Spill Another Extinction-Level HOAX?

Originally posted by Anamnesis
reply to post by DarkspARCS

 

hahaha.... BS is still BS even when the font size is increased and bolded. Reality check time brother....

There are none more blind than those who refuse to look. There are none more deaf than those who refuse to listen. Ignorance is no excuse. It is about time that you took your own advice. By the time certain persons wake up, unfortunately everything will have completely died all around them. What kind of life is it going to be living in a world so full of death.

I was watching the local (New Orleans) news tonight (Tuesday May 4th) and they had a story about the second bird to be treated for being covered in oil. Let that sink in for a second. It's been a week of doom and gloom, the world might end, the oceans will never be the same again, this is a world changing event... and the second bird gets treated in a week.

Very little oil has made it to shore, very few birds have turned up with oil on them, and there haven't been large amounts of dead fish washing up on the shore. I'm starting to wonder if some of the early predictions of damage have been over exaggerated. I'm hoping anyway.

yikes.

I feel dumber for even having glanced at this thread. And 45 flags so far - seriously ATS?

I know SkepticOverlord will probably hate me for bringing this up but I'm sorry - ever since Obama became prez and Fox News became conspiracy central this website has become overrun with fundamentalist neocon apologist buffoonery.

And this thread and its flags are proof positive.

Yeah - the oil spill is a big HOAX to further the green agenda because "back in my day we used to walk 13 miles uphill BOTH WAYS to swim in oil-infested water and eat petroleum-breathing crabs and we LIKED it" Go America - Drill BABY DRILL.

I am making a quick post in here so I can find this thread much easier..

I thank you for making this post and offering up some of your own thoughts and exp. with this matter..

But can you honestly think this is not truely a BIG issue for our planet?

Sure you are spot on about this being another reason why prices of this and that will go up.. Sure I agree with you on those points..

But There is a BIG gap you are leaving out.. About the impact this much oil will have on our planet.. And our Ocean life..

This oil spill can be seen from outer space!!!

Its HUGE!!! And its a grave mistake I feel we will ALL pay for one way or another!!

There is still much more reading I must do before I put my foot in my mouth.. Or spew some Earl from my mouth!!
Earl= Oil..

Either way... This has been on my mind all day long.. Well the past couple days as a matter of fact...

I feel this Earl Spill, will spell out some kind of reaction...
Be it good or bad... Something has to come of this..

And I want to get to the bottom of who screwed up on this one...

What company has its hands dirty!!!
What groups of people allowed this to happen!!

And if this has been leaking for as long as you say it has been.. Thats an outright slap in the face of all coastal living beings!!!

I love my oceans.. And its a sad sad month in deed...

But alas, THis is just a quick post.. I flagged this thread..

While I might not agree with you 100% THis is the thread I will put forth some effort into to see what happens...

Zy5

Stay Updated. New estimates put range of leak between 5,000 to 60,000 barrels a day.

In a closed-door briefing for members of Congress, a senior BP executive conceded Tuesday that the crippled Deepwater Horizon oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico could conceivably spill as much as 60,000 barrels a day of oil, more than 10 times the estimate of the current flow.

Federal officials have raised the possibility of a leak of more than 100,000 barrels a day if the well were to flow unchecked, but the chances of that situation occurring were unclear.

www.nytimes.com...





Let's put the pieces together:

Fitch said Transocean carries $950 million in liability coverage before deductibles, and oil companies usually repay rig owners for costs related to blowouts. But the rating agency said Transocean could still be vulnerable for damages above $950 million if was found to be negligent.

Insurance should cover the loss of the $560 million Deepwater Horizon, which sank in about 5,000 feet of water, but Transocean has a deductible of $10 million per event on personal injury liability

www.foxnews.com...

Here they discuss that BP insurance will pick up the cost of the oil rig and the cleanup operations up to about 950 million dollars. However above 950 mil BP will have to pay out of pocket, only if they are found negligent. Also they will have to pay up to 10 million dollars for each personal liability claim against the company.

Wow they could be paying for a lot right?

Now the punchline:

A law passed in response to the 1989 Exxon Valdez spill in Alaska makes BP responsible for cleanup costs. But the law sets a $75 million limit on other kinds of damages.

www.guardian.co.uk...

Current law limits BP's out of pocket expenses to 75 mil. This includes personal injury claims, punitive damages, etc.. Basically, BP is responsible for the cost of the cleanup (covered by insurance) + only 75 mil of the damage the oil does to the environment (also probably covered by insurance).

The end result:
BP's insurance premiums rise. We fund them by paying more at the pumps. The Gulf Coastline is severely damaged and WE ultimately pay for the mistake.


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The sun has been raining cosmic radiation on us everyday for millions of years. This is completely natural. I say we get rid of the atmosphere thats filtering all that out. I wont do us one bit of harm.

I was born in Texas in 1959 and lived on the Texas Gulf Coast for about 30 years. Waay back in the 1960s, I remember wandering along the beach at Galveston, collecting shells and shark teeth, and often stepping into globs of sticky tar, which would stain my skin brown for days afterwards. When we went swimming in the surf, we'd come back with brown globs on our skin and swim trunks — and that stuff did not wash out of fabric.

Tar is a natures way of sweating and is also a sign of and for geologist that crude oil is present.
It is also evidenced that oil, tar and gas have occurred throughout the coastlines for thousands of years.









When we went crabbing along the Gulf Coast, we'd bring back hundreds of big, male Blue Crabs in our massive cooler, which we filled with seawater to keep the crustaceans alive as long as possible. As the crabs glowered up at us through the water, we could see that they were exhaling thick brown globs that would rise up and spread out in a rainbow on the surface.

I have over 4000 hours logged including but not limited to the Neches River, Sabine lake, Clear lake, Sabine jetties(

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Star and Flag for an excellent post Doc Velocity. I believe you may be right; after all the 'powers that be' will try anything to get us to believe the global warming hoax.

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Naked Corporatism at it's finest.

Nothing to see here...until we wake up and demand the corporations and governments return to their proper places,nothing will ever change.

Originally posted by CAELENIUM

Originally posted by Anamnesis
reply to post by DarkspARCS

 

hahaha.... BS is still BS even when the font size is increased and bolded. Reality check time brother....

There are none more blind than those who refuse to look. There are none more deaf than those who refuse to listen. Ignorance is no excuse. It is about time that you took your own advice. By the time certain persons wake up, unfortunately everything will have completely died all around them. What kind of life is it going to be living in a world so full of death.

Your colloquialisms are lost on me but I get the impression that you think I believe that the spill is "no biggie". On the contrary, I think it's a huge deal. Did you bother to read my previous responses to this thread? Or did you just feel the need to enlighten this poor, blind, ignorant soul.

It is about time that you took your own advice.

Please point out where I am giving advice....

Well.... thanks for your attempt to "set me straight". I'm sure it was meant with the best of intentions.

"Knowing is like a disease, If you think you know, you are truly sick"
~ Lao Tzu

For the record, I'm not saying it's a hoax but possibly an overstatement.

Where I am at, there is very little media attention on this. Matter of fact I haven't heard anything for a few days. Certainly not any ELE hype.

I have only heard ELE connections raised through sites like this one.

Originally posted by PowerSlaveI have only heard ELE connections raised through sites like this one.

Well come on, this is ATS, what else did you expect?

Originally posted by Truth1000
Excellent post!

I have been on rescue missions into the Gulf, in the 1980s and 1990s. I have seen these same things myself. I imagine that it must be only when a huge oil spill would be reported. However, with all of these reporters in the area, why aren't they talking about these other "spills."

Reporters are not asking any questions that will get them fired. Reporters are cowards governed by the FCC. Connie Chung made the mistake of saying as much - which is why you have never seen her on MSM - go check!
Sadly, you all are still operating under the belief that you are in a free society where everyone boldly protects the Constitution. No such thing!

Well, just to make sure I wasn't crazy about not remembering see such things during my time in Galveston, I talked to several relatives who lived or still live in the area, and all of them say the same thing: nobody has ever seen crude oil floating on the ocean. The only smells they can remember are the occasional scent from the Texas City refineries.

Please OP, Disinformation Specialist? Surely you could do better than this.

A poster from New Orleans mentioned smelling the "benzene" of crude. As a resident of southeastern Louisiana, the slightest breeze from the ocean brings the smell to my nose. I can assure you the local fishing industry here in and around Cut Off is in full panic. Louisiana's economy is dependent on the success of oil and fish and they are both taking a hit right now. However, I have full confidence that if there is any group of people in America who can come back from this, it is the people of Louisiana. It is evident in the overwhelming volunteership of the local fisherman who have come out in droves to lend a hand in the cleanup effort. That is the spirit of Louisiana. After a hurricane, we get out and help our neighbor. After an oil spill, we strap on the white boots and get out there and be a man about it. Its not about environmentalism, its about protecting the coast line that has provided for us for so long.

We are resilient and we will adapt and rebuild like we have many times before.

I quote a friend I bumped into at church the other day, "Katrina couldn't break our spirit, neither will the black hurricane."

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hey, just wanted to give this thread some more momentum since people are really freaking out over this oil spill thing

i spoke recently to an EPA member, and i had told him that my research led me to beleive that crude oil itself was not as harmful as people thought, and that it was refined oil or broken down components of the crude oil that were dangerous, and that this whole oil spill was not as bad, and likely that was the reason it spilled for a couple days and no one really did anything

he responded and said that it was true crude oil from the gulf is not toxic enough to have a strong poisoning effect on the gulf at large, though some animals in proximity to overwhelming amounts would be killed, but that alot of wildlife would die anyways from just trying to swim and eat or get lost in the sludge itself

he then went on and said that he had witnessed the use of dispersants in a huge oil spill in the middle east sometime around the gulf war, and he said the dispersant itself is what is deadly, it breaks down the crude oil and makes it extremely toxic, also he said that it really doesn't make sense what they are doing because the crude oil clumps together and it easy tosee and handle and clean up, meanwhile the dispersant breaks everything down and mixing it all clear, making it impossible to contain and clean up

so basically i was left with the idea that we were faced with a crude oil spill, potentially life threatening, but reasonably handleable.... and what they are doing essentially is making it

A. broken down and impossible to clean up or even see
B. breaking it down in many seperate chemicals all of which are more toxic than the original crude oil itself

i thought my conversation with him related to this thread

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Originally posted by mike_trivisonno

I think they blew up a rig, poured some oil around, and now will use it to stop America from drilling oil in the Gulf.

A few months later China will take over operations.

Scam.

As opposed to: oil covering the entire gulf coast, Florida and up the eastern seaboard = one of the earths worst environmental catastrophes in human history.

And all because of some crazy pro-environmental aganda.

Scam.

Sure it's been known that the media has been over hyping stuff for a very long time, and yes natural occurances do happen. But sometimes you have to take into account that the small things can be a real big issue. Like plumes of ash coming from a single volcano in Iceland, that is causing major delays and cancelled flights in airports. Or adding 1 more zero "accidently" to cause a tumble in the stock market. Or accidently releasing a virus that can rapidly mutate and kill millions of people. So don't take that the small things in life are no big deal, because it can have devastating effects. Only takes a spark to create a fire and turn it into an inferno.

Drink 5 liters of beer in a day, you won't feel a thing.

Drink 5 liters of beer in an hour, u'll definately feel the effects, if you even manage to do so.

Do it with hard alcohol, and they can call an ambulance.

I'm not too fast into believing this won't have a profound effect on the foodchain and ecology as a whole. Whatever the political reasons might be for letting the spill go on, to be honest the political future of our world ain't looking too bright as it is already anyway, so why bother to care about that. Last thing we should be doing now though, after destroying society, is destroy nature.