Alleged NASA -Affiliated Astronomer Deciphers 'Intelligence' Signal From Nearby Stars

please forgive me for some of the grammer in the above posting, I was just joining in
on Mr. Herschel's way of writing.
I've viewed some of his theories and the text is dreadful... but that's how it seems to
be now.

Piece Hand Luv.

Originally posted by m0r1arty
nenothtu - those were some awesome updates!

Any news on this cult he's trying to start up.

Cults are my speciality!

-m0r

Well, m0r, I've been digging into just that very topic of late, and finding interesting - or disturbing, depending on one's viewpoint - parallels between Wayneism and the odd "space brothers" religion that James.Judy was pushing in "The Aenstrean Revelations". Somewhat more disturbing are the parallels I draw between both of those two cults and a more generic version of the same that I'm suddenly finding popping up all over.

I don't think it's just now getting a start, I think instead that it's been building up steam for a good long while, and I've just failed to notice it until I got into researching Wayneism for The Book.

Did you realize that even Carlos Santana has a new startup cult? I can't recall the name of it at the moment, but it has all the same common frameworks as these other upstarts.

They all commonly pay lip service to "peace, love, and light", but where the rubber meet the road, they get pretty nasty in spite of their "huggy hippy" philosophy. They all have "light workers" and "light warriors" and in common with most religions insist that theirs is the only "way, truth, and light". They are all rather eclectic in their tastes, and nearly all of them will accept ANY belief and attempt to incorporate it - as long as the cash flows inward. This "inclusion" strategy is the very basis for Wayne's own name of his new cult.

By the by, Wayne Herschel claims to have "copyrighted" the very NAME of his new cult. How in the hell do you copyright the name of an honest religion? How can anyone teach or spread it if they aren't allowed use of the name of it? Dcmb1490 and I have both done searches at copyright offices, and so far that claim has turned out to be hollow, all smoke and mirrors. We can't find any evidence of copyrights, other than Wayne's own claims. Sounds familiar in this hoax, doesn't it?

All of these new, similar, cults have other common traits that they can be recognized by. "Light" this and that, "vibrations", misuse of concepts of "dimensionality", and "love and peace" lip service, as well as catchphrases like "namaste" are some of the more usual recognition factors, but that's not an exhaustive list.

Wayneism presents an interesting object lesson and case study into this phenomena, and ties in really well with all of the others.

Wayneism claims that their prophet died, had an NDE, "saw the face of god", and came back "changed", with all of the "answers" to life's little mysteries, It has a structure, apparently still under development, and tries to incorporate elements of ALL established religions, while at the same time denying explicitly the cores that the adherents of those established religions believe in. In other words, it claims to be "incorporating" them, and claims to be upholding their validity, while at the same time seeking to destroy the core beliefs that make them what they are - in effect, it tries to destroy their individual identities as unique religions in favor of assimilation of their adherents into this new cult system.

Wayneism has even stolen the ancient Scandanavian concept of Yygdrassil, the World Tree, and incorporated it into the core belief system. Scandanavian. Doesn't Judy claim to be from Sweden? Yygdrassil, under a different name, is what Wayneists appear to be worshipping as a "god".

I honestly, after looking into this, don't think we've seen this sort of event since around 610 to 620 AD, at the time of the development and rise of Islam. At that time, there was a charismatic "leader", who had an "experience", and "saw an angel of god", leading to a new belief system which attempted to harmonize and integrate two of the major religions of the region and the time into itself, by destroying their individual identities in favor of merger into the islamic framework. Actually, with the inclusion of "Allah", the father god of the Makkah pantheon into that framework, I reckon they tried to incorporate all three of the local religions into it.

Anyhow, Islam started out by trying a "peaceful assimilation" approach, but as time wore on, and most of the locals rejected it, what was at that point the "cult" of islam became more and more militant, more and more insistent, until open warfare broke out, and continues in one form or another right up to this day.

What we are seeing right before our eyes in these cyber attacks by Wayneist "Light Warriors" is precisely the same thing as was seen in the earliest days of islam, as militancy was rising, but had not yet broken out into open, "killin' folks for god", warfare. That killing phase of islam really opened up at the Battle of Badr, and there was a protracted era leading up to it of friction between muslims and "polytheists", muslims and jews, and to a lesser extent muslims and christians, which ran right through the massacre of the Banu Qurayzah jews, the conquest of the polytheists at Makkah, and runs on into this day across the entire world.

Yes, islam, christianity, and every other religion around started out small, as a "cult" and didn't gain legitimacy as a "religion" until it had the numbers - and the will - to impose it's will on the unwilling.

Wayneism and allied cults are no different. Right now we are seeing that buildup phase, and just the very beginnings of the militant phase - the "peaceful" warfare that is precursor to open war. What I believe will happen, if it continues this way unchecked, is that all of these "allied" cults will merge into one, given their commonalities, with one particular one rising to the top of that heap and imposing most, but not all, it's own peculiarities on the rest and providing the name for that new "religion".

That will give them the numbers they need to prosecute open war.

Wayneism is as good a candidate as any for that, and we've already seen and experienced it's willingness to "go militant" against opposition - in spite of the "peace, love, light, and fuzzy bunnies" face it puts on itself to fool the uninitiated.

I just have to wonder how long it will be before Wayneism has it's own version of the Battle of Badr.

I'll be there when it does, but I'm getting a little long in the tooth now, and that will likely be my last battlefield. Anything worth fighting for is worth dying for, because any battle you enter may be your last. Wayneists need to realize and accept their own mortality before it gets to that point, and they attempt that final merger, into their World Tree.

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A very interesting - and illustrative - video, that!

There are so many holes in it that I simply don't have space here to critique them all, so I'll just point out a couple of them.

Notice how, when Orion is being matched to the pattern of the pyramids, the "belt" of stars is shown 3 times relative size in relation to the other stars of Orion. Says so, right in the video. Either it fits, or it don't, and it appears to me that it don't, so Wayne has to force it to fit. Strange philosophy of "science". It appears that, if the data doesn't fit the theory, it's acceptable to FORCE a fit. After all, the theory is FAR more important than the data - the money is in the theory! The data only supports the theory, and if it doesn't, that's OK, one can FORCE a fit.

Likewise, the scene of the Plieades pointing out something or other in the Egyptian desert - in that scene, the Plieades are GREATLY enlarged from their actual size in the sky. Why? well, because if they weren't, they wouldn't be "pointing" to whatever it is Wayne wants them to point at! Again, no problem, just FORCE the data to fit the theory!

Actually, the Plieades are a pretty small open cluster, and are the SHOULDER of Taurus, not "The Leg of the Bull". Far too tiny, and in the wrong place, to be the leg.

Concerning the "flying saucer with feathers", well, they MUST have wings - how else could they have flown before the invention of airplanes? But seriously, I can make any symbol into any thing, if I'm allowed to add and delete stuff from it as I like, in order to FORCE a fit of the data to the theory. No different from moving stars out of their place to FORCE a fit.

Is it just me, or did anyone else notice that the Sphinx is facing the wrong way to be associated with Leo in his graphic? That's OK, just FORCE a fit!

I noticed the same thing elsewhere, and commented to dcmb1490 privately about it, when Wayne was trying to FORCE a fit between the cross on the Pope's robes and the constellation of Orion. In order to do so, he had to warp and twist the entire constellation, and move all.of the stars in it out of their places. Again, if there's a problem with the data, just FORCE a fit!

I have another theory on this "Ra lands on the Sphinx's back" deal. Ra was just tooling along, on his way from the God Star to the amusement park in Leo, when he stopped by Earth to gas up and get a map. He left all these "clues" here during that stop, as a personal joke on Wayne Herschel, and then flew off in his feathered flying saucer, and landed on the back of Leo instead of the Sphinx.

The data presented in Wayne's video supports that theory every bit as much as it does Wayne's theory.

No, more so!

I didn't have to FORCE a fit!

Seriously, if we're allowed to pick and choose which buildings on the ground we include, and which stars in the sky we include, AND move those stars wherever we want to within the pattern, we can pattern match ANYTHING in the sky to ANYTHING on the ground. In that case, the big dipper, the little dipper, or even the southern constellation of Crux can just as easily "fit" into any of Wayne's Wacky Theories.

I must note here how prominently the Plieades are featured in Wayneism. There is a parallel in their appearance in Aenstreanism as well. Chinese boxes, hoaxes within hoaxes...

You'll have to excuse me - I have to run down town to City Hall and renew my Disinfo Agent license, because it's starting to look like this thing is going for the long haul.

Edi to add: I seem t find myself a bit short on the licensing fees, so can I borrow 10 bucks, Wayne? Consider it an "investment". You'll get a return, of some sort, on it within 12 months, I promise, even if I never SELL a single copy of "The Book".

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That was a great posting Neno, I had know idea that Wayne is so focused on
making people 'true' believers. I admit, I saw some indications and traces of what
I thought were the signs of an emerging despot.

No one is allowed to doubt, nobody can step forward to usurp Lord Herschel and
now it seems by MM's postings, that His Royal Highness has accepted Dr. Judy
as his 'Lazarus-like' Queen, to rule with him in his Light Warrior realm.

I may seem melodramatic at times, this is to keep my temper at bay when I read
and listen to some of the theories of the Waynster.
The format is always the same... Wayne suggests a view on an item of history, he
says that mainstream researchers don't perceive it as he does and uses words to
imply that they are avoiding the theory with some sort of conspirital agreement.

Wayne will drop in a word.. let's say he's discussing Ra and he comments the
renderings he's seen, looks like Ra arrived on a boat from the sky... a craft from
the sky... a ship from space.
That's it! the next sentence will enforce the expression 'space ship' and then it's
looked on as accepted. To frown and say "er, no" brings the wrath of the Light
Warriors and we've seen their flailings of smiley faces and capitalisation of text.

His next idea of the Sphinx having a door in the back of it's head may seem
ridiculous and I really don't have a problem with Mr. Herschel saying he believes
this. This is his right.
But he always implies that he's being stifled by dark lurking powers and again,
he pushes this assumption to indicate his belief must be fact.

He can't help it... he sets out his theories as a researcher does and then wraps
the theories in indications of fictional dark forces at work to deter him being a
so-called whistle-blower!
To me, he comes off as a science-fiction author and will not do bring any credibility
to the theories that he is supposed to believe in.

But all this is ignored by the cool-aid drinkers and they automatically feel that they
must protect this mild mannered South African and ergo, they feel they've become
part of an imaginary quest for a 'truth'!

Moaningmartel will have -no doubt, another view of this.

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I couldnt have put it better myself. When i look at some of his flimsy assertions i cannot believe how anyone can so easily be taken in. He regularly deletes postings that disagree with his "theories" with the aplomb of a magician ...........FIRST YOU SEE IT NOW YOU DON'T.......

Here's a thing... DrunkenParrot ended his/her comments on this thread
stating that he/she had no connection with the Judy Faltskog hoax.
He/she hasn't posted anywhere again.

Any suggestions?

I thought I'd have a wander down the old IReport way to see if any of his
boyos had added anything and 'Orion 666' puts the whole 'followers being
led' idea into context.

ireport.cnn.com...

The idea of Angels with wings is a purely artistic thought. Artists and
religeous scribes tended to add the wings in their paintings and drawings
to 'imply' that these characters are different from others in the artists
scenes.

A little research may have helped Orion

reply to post by A boy in a dress


In researching this thread for The Book, I am running across SEVERAL such posters that weren't recognized as such at the time, but as time goes by, and they STILL haven't returned to post anywhere else, one has to wonder...

Also, I had a look at Part 2 of the video you recently posted. it can be found here, but be forewarned, it's pretty salacious. Gave me another attack of the vapors! It's looking more and more like Wayne may have some "repression" issues.

Interesting in that context that he mentions Deir el Bahri, and the tomb of Hatshepsut (actually, her tomb is in the Valley of the Kings). There is an ancient graffito still in existence, also from Deir el Bahri, I believe, that depicts Hatshepsut and her right hand man, Senmut, in a... err... ummm... "compromised" position. One can still see similar graffito in certain places, drawn by modern artists of a sort, but not generally placed for family viewing. Didn't Wayne discuss a papyrus belonging to Senmut somewhere, also?

Yeah, I think there are some issues there.

If you elect to watch this video, pay careful attention to his discussion of "the Leg of the Bull", and watch closely when he zooms in on the graphic that shows Orion, or Osiris, (both begin with "O", much like "Oneism", and "Orgasm") pointing a sharp stick, or whatever, at "the Bull", and something falling from it's backside in a light beam towards Earth. As the camera zooms in, we see that this celestial "bull" ALREADY HAS four legs, protruding from the underside, where legs are normally found on bulls. What Wayne calls "the Leg of the Bull" actually emanates from a different, more posteriorly oriented, region entirely, comes out in two apparent "clumps", and represents an entirely different bovine product than the "leg" that Wayne alleges. Strange, or perhaps not so much so, that Wayne is promoting the fall of this material to Earth...

I think it may actually be a pretty accurate symbolism for this "theory". maybe the Egyptians WERE on to something!

All in all, this part 2 video gives an entirely new dimension to the word "veneration", stemming from "veneris", and ultimately Venus, "goddess of love" (the same stem gives us the medical term "venereal disease", perhaps an accurate descriptive term for this vid). If you watch it, put the kids to bed first, slip into something comfortable, dim the lights, and pour a glass of wine.

You'll be glad you did.

Originally posted by A boy in a dress
I thought I'd have a wander down the old IReport way to see if any of his
boyos had added anything and 'Orion 666' puts the whole 'followers being
led' idea into context.

ireport.cnn.com...

The idea of Angels with wings is a purely artistic thought. Artists and
religeous scribes tended to add the wings in their paintings and drawings
to 'imply' that these characters are different from others in the artists
scenes.

A little research may have helped Orion

edit on 26-10-2010 by A boy in a dress because: (no reason given)

Do you suppose "Orion666" is a reference to Wayne Herschel's "work" with Orion, merged together with another "666" altogether? It seems... fitting... somehow.

I note Orion's use of the generic "10,000 years" that Wayne is so fond of - and in error about - when he speaks of "Sumerians", a civilization from at most 5,000 years ago at it's inception, NOT 10,000 years. Wayne uses the figure for the beginning of "modern" humans, and cites Cro Magnon man in particular in relation to that figure.

The problem there is that Cro Magnons were in Europe 40,000 years ago, not 10,000. They were nothing more than European H. Sapiens S. variants. Australia had their version perhaps 60.000 years ago, and most definitely by 45,000 years ago, and the species was in the Middle east by at least 90,000 to 100,000 years ago, so the 10,000 year figure he bandies about - and gets his minions to repeat ad nauseum - is in serious error.

He also plays rather fast and loose with terms like "facts" and "evidence", implying that religious people (from other religions of course, not Wayneism) don't ask their leadership for such, but could get it for the asking from Wayne. How many times now have Wayne and his minions been asked for facts and evidence, and utterly failed to be able to provide such? The truth is, Wayneism MUST be taken on faith, same as any other religion or cult. Judging by their lack of performance when asked for facts and evidence, one must draw the conclusion that they have none!

Perhaps my favorite part of that post was this snippet:

P.S. Just out of curiosity, could you let me know what type of software you used on your website to compare the star map please? I've been looking all over the net for a screen shot that is similar but I can't find it. I hope you can help.

Is there any wonder he's looked all over and not found any confirmation of Wayne's "star map" comparisons? I've just finished several posts detailing why that is. If he really wants genuine software to check out these "alignments" for himself, I recommend Stellarium or Celestia. Both are absolutely free, downloadable from the internet without ever leaving your house to go down to the software store, and VERY accurate, taking advantage of the latest astronomical catalogs of stellar positions, such as Hipparcos and TYCHO.

Celestia has the additional advantage of being able to see star alignments from anywhere in the 3D universe, while Stellarium is restricted to highly accurate display of the stars from anywhere on Earth, or, now, Mars too. The difference between Mars and Earth, however, just affects the apparent positions of solar system objects, not stars.

Either of these programs would be an excellent, FREE, choice to see for yourself just how accurate Wayne's "star map" comparisons are.

I think you're right, BIAD, a little bit of research WOULD have helped Orion. Even the SLIGHTEST amount. ANY at all. Instead it appears that he would prefer to get his fact feed from the trough of Wayneism.

Edit to add: Stellarium also lets you tinker with time, and see where stars WERE in the distant past, or WILL BE in the distant future. Another useful feature for dealing with Wayneism and it's claims. I think both programs are available in a "Portable Apps" format as well, so they can be carried with you wherever you go on a USB key, and used in demonstrations to "true believers" or "non believers" (depending on your perspective) anywhere.

Ain't modern technology grand?

It does look like many that peruse Mr. Herschel's vast wealth of 'comic-book' reachings accept
it at face value without doing any background research.
I particularly liked the idea of how - when describing the precision that the alien-assisted Eygptians
used, Wayne comments that it was easier for these celestial architechs to 'round off' on a 45 degree
angle instead of sticking to the actual angle!

Mr. Herschel could've used the olde 'the skies were different then' card, but it seems he just spoon
levered his theory in there without hesitation.
I can attest to the possiblity that this trait continued into modern day construction, although viewers
of 'The New Yankee Workshop' would bawk at such shoddy-ism.

The 'Star-Map' software is also an issue, I was fortunate enough to purchase several coloured felt-tip
pens -the other day and I believe these implements are the true tools of Wayne's software.

Yes, it is ironic that the Waynester is displaying what looks like 'star-dung' emanating from the Bull's
derriere, this may be the first indications that aliens are trying to get a message through regarding
Wayne's theories.

Again, I can attest that this heaven-sent product is visiting the Earth in vast amounts and it's
possible some so-called authors are packing the piles into some sort of selling material.

Orion666 may have a long trek ahead of him to sercure the facts here.

Worrying times indeed.

BIAD, a few posts up, I noticed your reference to the use of "piers" for "peers" by a particular poster who made an appearance here... and the "water-logged" off. Your recent post referring back to the ireport saga sent me off on another research mission. on page 15 there, which was actually the first page, since all the comments are listed in counter-chronological order, I found posts from an individual going by the handle of john801, who claimed to work at the British Museum. I'll repost his second comment on that thread here, and let you decide:

Mr Herschel did you get my email I sent to your thrbooks account at gmail? We have a well known Stonehenge scholar here who is looking at your Stonehenge theory and is reconsidering your interesting work. It seems you have demons here barking at your ankles and there is great urgency for you to plot your way ahead very carefully with this star theory. This subject matter has always been the focus of attention by many Washington based professional sceptics. Professional internet watchers that are paid to infiltrate research groups and shut any real sighting reports and historical works supporting "alien" theory with fictional counter claims and attacks on individual characters. My own harmless sighting report I took to the papers was treated very seriously amongst my piers. I had similar attacks on character and my own profession threatened if I were to support ridiculous subjects like UFO's. It is clear our UK and the USA governments are not comfortable with this subject matter. I wonder what they are trying to hide or avoid?

Did you notice it?

Now, it could be that this gent skipped all the required reading at university, and so never ran across the proper usage of "piers" vs""peers" that any academic is bound to run into multiple times.

It could be that what he meant here was that the wooden thingy he keeps his yacht docked at took him very seriously, and truly believed he saw a light in the sky. S'ok, I talk to trees meself sometimes.

OR

It could be that our hero talks to himself on web logs sometimes... maybe a split-personality sort of thing or something.

Surely it couldn't be employment of a sock puppet in order to try to lend a smidgeon of credibility - and sell some books.

You decide.

Whatever the case, I've archived all 15 pages there now, so there's no need for anyone to get in a mad rush and try to erase their tracks.

That would only make them look foolish.

And guilty.

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... My own harmless sighting report I took to the papers was treated very seriously
amongst my piers.

Hmmm, even back there and back then, it seems our little Wayne may have been
spinning his web. I know as I read some of Mr. Herschel's remarks about so-called
'forces against him' it's automatic to feel that he may have a point and that some
of us are being too harsh on him for offering his theories.

Then as the layers are peeled back, you see the complex web created to give
a feeling that many are waiting for his voice, professional people rub their chins
and raise their eyebrows to indicate that this sandy-haired South African may have
a point and in darkened rooms uniformed men with foul-smelling cigars mutter
Wayne's name.

It never stops... HE never stops attempting to lure people in with his ' oh join me,
important people want me' routine.
As Sgt. Apone said in the movie 'Aliens' (which, for any Light Warriors here, it's
a fictional movie)... "check those corners'
You did Neno.

Originally posted by A boy in a dress

...I read some of Mr. Herschel's remarks about so-called
'forces against him' ...

Then as the layers are peeled back, you see the complex web created to give
a feeling that many are waiting for his voice, professional people rub their chins
and raise their eyebrows to indicate that this sandy-haired South African may have
a point and in darkened rooms uniformed men with foul-smelling cigars mutter
Wayne's name.

It never stops... HE never stops attempting to lure people in with his ' oh join me,
important people want me' routine.

Funny you should mention those things. At ireport, on the top (most recent) page, I found the following exchange between recruiter Wayne and a couple of newly - minted minions:

wayhersc2
August 25, 2010
Hi Sen and Maddog.
Senemm I had more passion for the spiritual history of this world as my first quest in life and during that journey as you know had the privilege to find more amazing material than one could dream of.

Maddog ... yes... hence calling my book the Hidden Records. It all seemed intentionally buried in cover ups, scepticism, ridicule, and literally in obscure archives out of normal public eye.
wayhersc2

August 25, 2010
Now that I promote the forbidden although immensely valuable records... I realise there are actually people that earn a living trying to stop it getting media attention.

"Passion for the spiritual history of this world... " - god drives a flying saucer, and makes pit stops at the Sphinx. I's nothing if not an original take on "spirituality". The spiritual angle is intended to cast the bait out - to lure in those who are "looking for something" - which Wayne will provide, for a price.

"Intentionally buried in cover ups, scepticism, ridicule," - I believe there may be a reason for that, OTHER than guys in trenchcoats and dark shades, with big, fat government paychecks from a government that has nothing better to do than squelch one Wayne Herschel. He are impo'tent! Just not THAT important... you know, with wars and economics and civil unrest to deal with, somehow I think Mr. Herschel may be a tad bit lower on the totem pole of government priorities than he lets on...

"Now that I promote the forbidden although immensely valuable records... I realise there are actually people that earn a living trying to stop it getting media attention. " - I'm STILL waiting on my paycheck! Dog-gone beaurocratic red tape! We in the "Army of Darkness" need to unionize, I think!

The above is just the windup. Here comes the pitch!

If you both have some patience and time there are a few pro sceptics resident here that have been given the task to work long hours here fabricating some interesting laborious attacks using false info twisted very neatly into attempts to make my work look like a hoax.

It would be great if you can give them "their moneys worth" as I suspect they are well paid and take them on with their easily disprovable attempts.

The recruiter Wayne steps to the fore! He's recruiting them here to man the parapets while General Wayne goes off to do a radio interview, and can't be bothered to man the walls. We "Dark Warriors" are "well paid" "pro skeptics", "given the task" of "fabricating attacks" out of "false info" to make his "work look like a hoax", but are engaged in "easily disprovable attempts".

See? The Minions can be important, too! He NEEDS them to fight off what are obviously, by the inferences he draws, Secret Squirrel Gummint Agents! They will have the POWER against those dark, despicable forces! Furthermore, it will be an easy task, since the feeble assaults of the Army of Darkness are "easily disprovable".

They are loved. They are wanted. They are NEEDED.

Here's a random thought I'll just throw out there: if our feeble attempts are so easily disprovable, then have at it, General Wayne. Disprove it. ANY of it. Do it yourself, since you know all the "material" better than anyone else. Personally, I can't help but feel there's a REASON you haven't been able to so far, a REASON you slink back away into the shadows to pop up elsewhere - ANYWHERE else than the "battle front", a REASON you have consistently failed to display an ability to respond on-target to the charges, a REASON that you find yourself having to resort to cyber-warfare via your minions, a REASON that you have to fall back on brute force, a REASON that your arguments are so weak that your left with no other options.

That REASON would likely be because we aren't wrong, our rationale doesn't involve any sort of "fabrication", our info isn't "false", and our contentions aren't a "easily disprovable" as you claim. If they were, you would have eaten us alive by now, all on your own.

The simple truth of the matter is you CAN'T, and have demonstrated that repeatedly.

wayhersc2
August 25, 2010
The cyber attackers here are very in the know on all matters concerning my very wide subject parameters and know everything about me and my family too. The one mentioned my brother and ex partner (his data needs updating) and my cousin and wife by name in a subtle way showing that they are watching. The interference comes with the territory.

Yes indeedy, those dark forces are a dangerous bunch, aren't they? More claims of nebulous "threats" that you seem never able to offer any verification for. Then again, it's all good, because minions never require verification, do they?

But you're right that we are becoming "very knowledgeable" concerning your "very wide subject parameters", and again you are correct that those "parameters" ARE very wide! So wide, in fact, that they miss the mark altogether! That's probably another reason that you can't seem to uphold your end of a civilized debate, and opt out in favor of brute force attempts.

Here we see the new minions biting the hook:

maddog2012
August 25, 2010
its like thay cant swim and are scard of the water
and even thow you are only macking small splashes
thay are petrifiyd that the splash is going to tip over the boat and that thay are going to drown
thay just cant handle it m8
you cant help them / thay need to take themself to swimming lesions

maddog2012
August 25, 2010
get use to it as the splashing is going to increas and the waves are going to get bigger

They're caught! Wayne has successfully "turned" them, as we say in the CIA/NSA/MI5/KGB/MOSSAD Secret Squirrel Double Nought Spy business. All that's left now is to assign the recruits a mission. Here it comes:

wayhersc2
August 25, 2010
Ha ha... mark these words... Im doing two big radio shows next week and this story is the focus of it. watch them come in with full force. It will be nice if you can help in the front lines here

Tsunami expected.

senemmTSR
August 25, 2010
OMG some of them know about your family and relative names too? That sounds serious! But don't worry I'll do my best to make this article and your whole work known by many people!

Mission accepted. New minions minted. A final pre-mission "attaboy":

wayhersc2
August 25, 2010
Thanks S... its a tough world out there. Nice that you can be here when the going gets tough when my two radio shows air next week

I will advertise them at the last moments just to minimise interference.

Mission success! BDA (that's "Bomb Damage Assessment") follows:

wayhersc2
August 27, 2010
Click his avatar and the jedi...they are toast... for now!

But they must remain ever-vigilant:

Watch this page next week when the radio shows run. They will make new avatars and be back with fire and brimstone. Please... if you see abusive character attacks here, we have been advised we must click report violation next to each attack.

The parapets are manned, and no one mans a parapet like a "True Believer"-ranked "Light Warrior". Here we see a True Believer:

maddog2012
September 1, 2010
i like the mars inomalys video you did and the way youv shown how obvious it is cus out of all you have found it is the only thing that will show we have left this planet to do it or we have come from there to here
everything els could be a trick created in the begining by an elite civalisation that is still here someware

maddog2012
September 1, 2010
to me waynes thiry fits beter than the norm of todays iluminated fals reality
im with the plaides : )
senemmTSR

This is the exact order these post were made in, and shows the logical progression of recruitment into the Light Brigade. The only things left out were irrelevant to the discussion at hand, things such as the "Sphinx Water Table" debate and the like.

How does one combat such abuses of the trust of the innocent? Well, the conventional forces of the Army of Darkness pull back to base, and man the perimeter - then the Recon Cyber-Ninja squads exit from the sally port, and go to work.

That's right, the Rangers are on patrol!

reply to post by A boy in a dress


Honest, I'm on your side.

I'll participate more if that is really called for to follow the thread however I don't have much more to add than what has already been covered by others?

As I stated previously, I believe this thread is a great example of exposing a couple of hoaxers and have followed it with interest from Cosmic Pixie's original post with all the ultraviolet radio telescope nonsense.

No harm in lurking, right?

reply to post by Drunkenparrot


Forgive me D.P... with no response for some time, I was starting to wonder.
Glad to hear you're out there and lurking!
Sorry again.
BIAD.

Edit: For Drunkenparrot, here's some scenes of BIAD being led away
from a Wayne Herschel rally... enjoy!

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/76ce101fdf57.jpg[/atsimg]

reply to post by nenothtu


The 'grooming' of the visitors to Wayne's site seems a little scary.
The nearest I can get to this sort of 'urging the minions' is from a
movie I enjoy called 'Copycat' with Sigourney Weaver and Harry
Connick Junior.
Mr. Connick plays a a psychotic killer and at the end of the movie...
(Fictional -again, for any budding Light Warriors)... he pens a letter
from his prison cell to some of his fans urging them to strike out at
those that have incarcerated the sadistic murderer.

The other oddity to myself is how Mr. Herschel wrote:
Now that I promote the forbidden although immensely valuable records...
I realise there are actually people that earn a living trying to stop it getting
media attention.

I can only ponder if he kept a straight face as he typed that, talk about the
kettle and the pot!

I have been feeling sorry for Wayne who has had such an hard time getting his book published and marketed due to the ELITE and DARK FORCES preventing him from getting all his SECRET, SENSATIONAL knowledge out to his faithful, clamouring followers and the world at large.

So with a tip from Cosmic Pixie's post about the book being sold in Tesco's (that was AnneH's favourite place for bumping into James/Judy) I decided to be magnanamous towards Wayne and do some research on his behalf because of that large chip on his shoulder and the fact that DARK FORCES were hindering the sales of his book.(first published in 2003)

I found out it is on sale through Tesco on line and what a BARGAIN !! a whole third off the RRP. And many of you are aware that it is also on sale at Amazon books again the BARGAIN price of a whole third off RRP AND FREE POSTAGE TOO !!!! I then went on to the reviews of the book 10 reviews between 2006 and 2010 seven of them from S.Africa and at least three had the hand of 'Wayne' about them...............needless to say nine were 5* and one 3* None of the other BEST SELLING Authors e.g. Dan Brown etc.have such a perfect review record of 90%!!!!!!! That made me click onto the reviewers (see ALL my reviews) button........well would you believe it all but two had only ever done one review and the other two only four between them (something smells fishy)

With all the above info how can Wayne (who never lies) justify his stance on Disinfo. Agents shady dealing Government cover ups etc. etc...stopping publishing and marketing of his DUBIOUS BOOK.


IT MAY NOT BE SELLING .........BUT IT's OUT THERE IN THE MARKET PLACE

Originally posted by A boy in a dress
reply to post by nenothtu

 

The 'grooming' of the visitors to Wayne's site seems a little scary.
The nearest I can get to this sort of 'urging the minions' is from a
movie I enjoy called 'Copycat' with Sigourney Weaver and Harry
Connick Junior.
Mr. Connick plays a a psychotic killer and at the end of the movie...
(Fictional -again, for any budding Light Warriors)... he pens a letter
from his prison cell to some of his fans urging them to strike out at
those that have incarcerated the sadistic murderer.

Yes, I can see the parallels there... as well as other, even darker parallels involving almost mesmeric direction of pliant minions by a charismatic "leader" who never has to provide any proof. Minion never require proof, and their leaders never expect to be required to provide it - that's what catches them off guard and gives them that "deer in the headlights" look. Those darker parallels include parallels at Jonestown, parallels involving "Heavens Gate", parallels involving Branch Davidians. Dangerous parallels, not just to society at large, but also to the pliant minions themselves.

The other oddity to myself is how Mr. Herschel wrote:
Now that I promote the forbidden although immensely valuable records...
I realise there are actually people that earn a living trying to stop it getting
media attention.

I can only ponder if he kept a straight face as he typed that, talk about the
kettle and the pot!

Ah, but Wayne Herschel is trying to earn a living by putting his hoaxes IN the spotlight, rather than keeping them out of it. I have to admit, though, this move to "report" it at CNN took me by surprise. Usually, hoaxer try to avoid THAT sort of limelight, and prefer to stay on the fringes, where they can gather supporters by word of mouth, rather than put it right out there where the hoax is sure to be exposed. One can only presume that it was a move of sheer desperation. There is little doubt that he went that route in order to try to pass his "work" of as a bona-fide, mainstream "breaking news story", and thereby lend it a badly needed air of credibility.

It didn't work out exactly that way, but he can still point and say "see? I'm on CNN - there's GOT to be something to it!" - and the minions will look, see it at the CNN website, and never, ever question why it was NOT vetted by CNN, nor will they even stop to consider the fact that it was a self-written, self-promotional "puff piece", carefully emplaced in an open forum where even I could write a "breaking new story" about finding a mysterious, mystical, supernatural representation of Wayne Herschel's face in my wheaties this morning, or my belly-button lint, or wherever I chose to site this "story".

It's all about the showmanship, never about the facts.

reply to post by eletheia


Now, THAT'S some investigative journalism, right there! It goes right along with Wayne's tactics of spamming and using sock puppets all across the internet to promote his "work", and it's an avenue I haven't even thought to pursue, despite the fact that I went to Amazon to check the claims of his book being hindered, and found that one of the caused might be that he's charging 36 USD for "stuff" that no one wants to buy, much less at such an inflated price.

It seems that Wayne may be "black bagging" his OWN success!

Anyhow, star for you, and yeah, that's going in "The Book".

Originally posted by A boy in a dress
reply to post by nenothtu

 

The other oddity to myself is how Mr. Herschel wrote:
Now that I promote the forbidden although immensely valuable records...
I realise there are actually people that earn a living trying to stop it getting
media attention.

I cant get my head around this..........................When Wayne is asked for proof or evidence he always defends his position by saying it is an hypothasis .......well that equals an assumption. an idea................So he is promoting an idea (often presented as fact) So how can an idea, a theory be forbidden........and by whom ??