Alleged NASA -Affiliated Astronomer Deciphers 'Intelligence' Signal From Nearby Stars

It would be nice if it was true, but it ain't. More BS on ATS. Why do people insist on posting BS? How old are they? I can forgive the very young.

reply to post by Bedlam


Yep, hammy ears I meant!

I've got a pretty incredible receiver that leaves no stone unturned and it can be trained for situations outside the ordinary! Probably not large enough an antenna & dish but if it's powerful digital signals I could probably get even a partial dump of raw data, depending on how many bits wide it is. The question is if it's bits and is it not some insane quantum pulse/light band. That's the beauty in the search for intelligent life. We started with 3 primary colors and base ten numerals. What if they have 4 primary colors and use base 81 numerals lol!


If this proves real and pattern recognition actually works, I wonder if we could be receiving our own bounced back signals morphed by some galactic filtering effect. Transmitters way back when used incredible amounts of power compared to today so who knows? Some of those signals could randomly be sent back like a distorted copy after numerous generations of tape dubbing with each bounce and subsequent "tuning" by the material that bounced it. Just a theory.

Originally posted by rizla
It would be nice if it was true, but it ain't. More BS on ATS. Why do people insist on posting BS? How old are they? I can forgive the very young.

I would rather sort through all the bs and find a gem in the rocks, rather than nothing at all

A very interesting situation we have here. Certain aspects of the information provided scream Hoax (the Ultraviolet for one) and I should imagine this would be a serious breach of contact procedure. Yet at the same time it feeds the imagination in a strange manner that rings of "maybe". The notion of the rest of the Galaxy being on a "party line" just waiting for anyone to join is interesting in its implications.

I am very interested to see where this goes.

Lets cross our fingers and hope the details have been fudged in the translation.

I'll admit that the members can be harsh, if not down right brutal at times, but it seems that through that process, the truth comes out. So if it's legit, all the other nonsense means nothing, if it's crap, than it's all the digging and ferreting out of info that brings that to light. It's like a team of CSI types, all with pre-determined concepts trying to solve a crime.

Originally posted by Bedlam
Ok, let me make sure I'm getting this right.

Radio telescopes, that's RADIO TELESCOPES, all over the world are reporting a signal that they're receiving, from ground radio telescopes, that is in the far ultraviolet.

There's a problem here. You don't receive signals in optical bands on farking radio telescopes. Radio telescopes couldn't pick up a signal in the far ultraviolet if the operator was set on fire with Sterno as an incentive. Because they're radio telescopes. Radio telescopes top out at about 300GHz. Far ultraviolet is past the capability of most OPTICAL telescopes, much less a radio telescope.

The other issue would be, you can't observe far ultraviolet with a ground based optical telescope, even the ones designed for short wavelength work, because the atmosphere absorbs far UV. It doesn't reach the ground.

Thus, not only would you need an orbiting optical telescope, not a radio telescope, you'd need one whose optics are far UV capable. Like, say, Hubble.

I'd rate this one about five moos for bull****. Plus, I seriously doubt that anyone involved up and down the story chain has any education in physics at all, much less any of them being an astronomer or radio-astronomer, because both issues would be instantly apparent if they were.

I'm surprised it took somewhere near 15 posts before someone said it.

Dear fellow ATS users,

I have been following this thread all night with bated interest and it is now mid morning in South East Asia.

Firstly I am utterly ashamed of those of you, who have been quick to judge ,insult and ridicule the OP, the Source and the Intermidates. This is exactly what ATS and its sincere members do not want to happen to this site. So my suggestion is to simply think before you write a reply.

Rant over...

I have a few open thoughts/questions about this whole situation and I too am not sure if this is the real deal, a misinterpretation or a blatant hoax. But I cannot believe for one moment this is a publicity stunt to advertise an author's book. Why? Because the target audiance to read a book on acient knowlege of the stars is surely interested people who come to ATS and similar sites / forums. If this does become a hoax the negative impact would certainly mean publishing suicide for the author who will never sell any copies of their book.

Furthermore it has been consistently iterated this is insider / unofficial information. And as some have suggested unless you are of a certain academia and in a similar workgroup to the source - none of us have any weight in arguing for and against whether this information is correct.

Assuming the sources information is correct, this could be the biggest leak / discovery / knowledge in human history and thus we all have to wait until other independent sources verify the information. It is no different when a newspaper leaks a new scandal on a sportstar or politician, which obviously would not be as huge a deal as this. I mean I am just thinking as I type of all the different governments, agencies, corporate companies, religions wanting to be involved in this discovery. Talk about stiring up a hornets nest on a universal scale.

As a final request, please can we all invoke individual patience and analyse each bit of inforamation fairly, as and when it is available.

Thank you kindly,
E.T

Originally posted by Hocus-Focus
I'll admit that the members can be harsh, if not down right brutal at times, but it seems that through that process, the truth comes out. So if it's legit, all the other nonsense means nothing, if it's crap, than it's all the digging and ferreting out of info that brings that to light. It's like a team of CSI types, all with pre-determined concepts trying to solve a crime.

You do realize a "CSI type" normally wouldn't have preconceived notions about evidence. They are taught to follow the evidence without bias and to not care or judge one way or the other. Although....I understand what you are trying to say.


Most recent post I can see from the FB of Wayne is:

-Wayne Herschel- I am more concerned for her circumstances since her FB account is missing ... her other accounts are missing and her email is unanswered. Judy has been an expert on some material that only an expert could portray. She is also very open about the importance of letting the truth out before it is stopped or censored. Her friends are now very concerned and so am I.... See more Consider this ... if all radio telescopes around the world are set up as claims are made from a source radio telescope wanting verification, they will all be tuning into a target star. And if a 'never heard before' sound or data pattern is incoming, imagine how difficult it would be to cover up in the astronomer scholar network. This could be the case and Judy being Judy told friends who are interested in this crazy 'new' signal ... which I will be investigating with astronomers in the morning. Need to sleep now... its 2 am.

hmmm...... might as well join the bandwagon....

so all these systems.....

Aldeberan in Taurus is one...

Epsilon Eridany,

Izar (Epsilon Bootes), ...

Thuban (Alpha Draconis),

Proxima Centauri

are 'all' being 'heard' @....

All @ 212.55 nanometers, peaking @ 400.11 nanometers

three possibilities....

inter-stellar aliens are chit-chatting about the 'you know what' which is going to hit the galactic center......






its something more close to home.....

The KCl:Eu2+ system response to UV-C was investigated by analyzing the optically stimulated luminescence (OSL) and thermo-luminescence (TL) signal produced by ultraviolet light exposure at room temperature. It was found that after UV-C irradiation, OSL was produced on a wide band of visible wavelengths with decay time that varied by several orders of magnitude depending on the Eu2+ aggregation state. In spite of the low intensity of solar UV-C reaching the Earth's surface in Madrid (40º N, 700 m a.s.l.), it was possible to measure the UV-C radiation dose at 6:48 solar time by using the TL response of the KCl:Eu2+ system and differentiate it from the ambient beta radiation dose.
KCl: Eu2+ as a solar UV-C radiation dosimeter. Optically stimulated luminescence and thermoluminescence analysis

or something sinister like kinda chemtrails...

The promyelocytic leukemia protein (PML) is a nuclear phosphoprotein that localizes to distinct domains in the nucleus, described as PML nuclear bodies (PML-NBs). Recent findings indicate that PML regulates the p53 response to oncogenic signals. Here, we define a p53-dependent role for PML in response to DNA damage. We exposed cells to ultraviolet light (UV-C) and imaged the nuclear distribution of PML, p53, and the BLM helicase by confocal microscopy. After DNA damage, PML partially relocated out of the PML-NBs, and colocalized with BLM and p53 at sites of DNA repair. In addition, using the isogenic HCT116 cell lines (p53+/+ and -/-), we show that the redistribution of PML was dependent on functional p53. Western analysis revealed that the level of PML protein remained unaltered after UV-C treatment. These results are consistent with the hypothesis that PML, in conjunction with p53 and BLM, contributes to the cellular response to UV-C-induced DNA damage and its repair.
UV-C-induced DNA damage leads to p53-dependent nuclear trafficking of PML

Originally posted by eclectic.thoughts

Furthermore it has been consistently iterated this is insider / unofficial information. And as some have suggested unless you are of a certain academia and in a similar workgroup to the source - none of us have any weight in arguing for and against whether this information is correct.

Oh, but we do. Radio telescopes just don't receive UV. I have more than sufficient academic weight for that one. Her other horky goofups are a bit more difficult to explain unless you are at least somewhat versed in comm theory, I'd say a senior BSEE would understand, but you'll have to take it on faith (or not, as you desire) that she's made some other statements just as bad. Many of which appear to be lifted from "Contact".

Assuming the sources information is correct, this could be the biggest leak / discovery / knowledge in human history and thus we all have to wait until other independent sources verify the information.

You won't hear any, as it's all made up by this woman and maybe the guy they're also quoting.

As a final request, please can we all invoke individual patience and analyse each bit of inforamation fairly, as and when it is available.

Once you hit the "radio telescopes receiving UV, at times from stars they could not physically observe" part, it's sort of over with, IMHO. I understand that it's probably not what you'd like to be true. The other bits about harmonics and modulation are just as amusing, but only if you understand the joke.

Originally posted by Bedlam
The other issue would be, you can't observe far ultraviolet with a ground based optical telescope, even the ones designed for short wavelength work, because the atmosphere absorbs far UV. It doesn't reach the ground.

Thus, not only would you need an orbiting optical telescope, not a radio telescope, you'd need one whose optics are far UV capable. Like, say, Hubble.

I'd rate this one about five moos for bull****. Plus, I seriously doubt that anyone involved up and down the story chain has any education in physics at all, much less any of them being an astronomer or radio-astronomer, because both issues would be instantly apparent if they were.

Good bit of a partial debunk there Bedlam, but, the UV range specified below is just outside of the visible band of 450nm to about 700nm.

Epsilon Eridany,
Izar (Epsilon Bootes),
Thuban (Alpha Draconis), ... See More
Proxima Centauri
Aldebaran in Taurus

All @ 212.55 nanometers,
peaking @ 400.11 nanometers
(Phasing between Harmonics and Sub-Harmonics).
+4 Janskies @ Pulse,
Multiplex Pilot carrier signal.

It actually sits below X-ray and above visible. UV in the range of 2800 to 4500 angstroms reaches earth through the atmosphere all the time, without too much trouble. Yes there is some attenuation, but nothing like visible light and infrared. So, could they pick up signal in the area of the DNA destroying 2800 angstroms (280nm) yes! Otherwise, the Sun wouldn't cause skin cancer and seeds would not germinate. Plants actually use 3 light frequencies, one UV (455nm), one visible red (665nm) and one IR (710nm) to push photons through the photon "pump" process and skin cancers seem to be caused by exposure to 280nm UV.

You are right though in that a radio telescope will not pick up UV, you need a special optical scope. But, UV would be the most viable transfer means that is close to visible light, if say one were pumping resolvable optical data over vast distances.

And if this is really happening and someone out there has an 8" to 16" f5.6 or better optical scope, they should be able to hook up a spectraly adjusted optical sensor array, that has say 212nm, 280nm and 400nm receivers and resolve the binary data, if the frequencies are real and data is actually there.

Cheers - Dave

[edit on 5/3.2010 by bobs_uruncle]

Originally posted by Vicious Jones

Originally posted by Bedlam
Ok, let me make sure I'm getting this right.

Radio telescopes, that's RADIO TELESCOPES, all over the world are reporting a signal that they're receiving, from ground radio telescopes, that is in the far ultraviolet.

There's a problem here. You don't receive signals in optical bands on farking radio telescopes. Radio telescopes couldn't pick up a signal in the far ultraviolet if the operator was set on fire with Sterno as an incentive. Because they're radio telescopes. Radio telescopes top out at about 300GHz. Far ultraviolet is past the capability of most OPTICAL telescopes, much less a radio telescope.

The other issue would be, you can't observe far ultraviolet with a ground based optical telescope, even the ones designed for short wavelength work, because the atmosphere absorbs far UV. It doesn't reach the ground.

Thus, not only would you need an orbiting optical telescope, not a radio telescope, you'd need one whose optics are far UV capable. Like, say, Hubble.

I'd rate this one about five moos for bull****. Plus, I seriously doubt that anyone involved up and down the story chain has any education in physics at all, much less any of them being an astronomer or radio-astronomer, because both issues would be instantly apparent if they were.

I'm surprised it took somewhere near 15 posts before someone said it.

you guys should stop OSETI from wasting any further funds....

Originally posted by eclectic.thoughts
Dear fellow ATS users,

I have been following this thread all night with bated interest and it is now mid morning in South East Asia.

Firstly I am utterly ashamed of those of you, who have been quick to judge ,insult and ridicule the OP, the Source and the Intermidates. This is exactly what ATS and its sincere members do not want to happen to this site. So my suggestion is to simply think before you write a reply.

Rant over...

I have a few open thoughts/questions about this whole situation and I too am not sure if this is the real deal, a misinterpretation or a blatant hoax. But I cannot believe for one moment this is a publicity stunt to advertise an author's book. Why? Because the target audiance to read a book on acient knowlege of the stars is surely interested people who come to ATS and similar sites / forums. If this does become a hoax the negative impact would certainly mean publishing suicide for the author who will never sell any copies of their book.

Furthermore it has been consistently iterated this is insider / unofficial information. And as some have suggested unless you are of a certain academia and in a similar workgroup to the source - none of us have any weight in arguing for and against whether this information is correct.

Assuming the sources information is correct, this could be the biggest leak / discovery / knowledge in human history and thus we all have to wait until other independent sources verify the information. It is no different when a newspaper leaks a new scandal on a sportstar or politician, which obviously would not be as huge a deal as this. I mean I am just thinking as I type of all the different governments, agencies, corporate companies, religions wanting to be involved in this discovery. Talk about stiring up a hornets nest on a universal scale.

As a final request, please can we all invoke individual patience and analyse each bit of inforamation fairly, as and when it is available.

Thank you kindly,
E.T

Star and Flag to you man. You speak with the right outlook on all of this. I support your statement. It is the right way to go about it.

I think people are quick to jump on the bandwagon and call this whole thing a hoax, based solely on what we have in front of us. I must admit the information being brought forward over FB, does have some holes in it but, we must remember that it is being passed down from one person to another, unoffcially, and things can become misinterpreted.

I mean the UFOlogist presenting the information over his facebook account, I believe his name was wayne something, is risking the credibility of himself. While jeoprodizing the success of his book..

But, who really knows if Julia works for NASA.. can't find a lot of information on her? But, I do know someone is risking their reputation, expressing that he has an inside source, that can be verified yet? If it is a hoax it won't last long and we will all know the truth.. maybe.. Or this might all just fade away, as there won't be any way to verify if what he has expressed ever really happened. I will wait and see just like the rest of the masses.

I mean would this really be worth the mans entire reputation, as an author and even more so as an individual? Maybe so...

I am not getting my hopes up but, this could get interested, especially if a main stream media network picks it up.. Doubtful but, you never know?



[edit on 3-5-2010 by NoFilter2323] **Grammer

[edit on 3-5-2010 by NoFilter2323]

Judy and Wayne are both my Facebook Friends. Judy has been taken off Facebook entirely. I was on her page just this morning. Wayne last posted 6 hours ago and now I can't post on his wall.

From Richard C Hoagland's facebook page...

"Richard C. Hoagland
Juan,

I'm sorry, this is a hoax (by someone NOT able to tell the difference between "radio astronomy" and "UV astronomy") -- which apparently "got" Wayne .... "

The Ultraviolet vs Radio debate is based on if she meant UV and not IR.
In the heat of a hurried situation a simple detail might be overlooked.

Richard C Hoagland bases his assessment on this, I believe.

Further clarification is necessary though I do, for sure, want to believe it! I've seen a lot of these fevered threads over the years regarding some immanent situation and 99% of the time it turns out to be wishful thinking.

I'm excited, you bet. But I'm also ready to explore legal options against the next great hoaxer.

I read this up to page 5 and then skipped to page 15, and do not know what to believe, but I do find it interesting that a good number of her face book pages are offline. My feeling sadly is that it is probably a hoax but I am not getting my hopes up.

reply to post by II HAL II

Lol, now that was hilarious!!! Good one II hal II!

2 step

If such an event had really happened, FACEBOOK would not be the place to broadcast it. This thread is in the wrong forum for sure, given the "source" and the wild claims, all unsubstantiated. Skunk works!