English Defence League take over mosque roof!

Originally posted by poet1b


I have yet to see a religious group that wasn't political, so why should they get tax exemptions?

This is indeed true.

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Watching this video really allows one to realize that it is a good thing we are fighting in the Middle East. The cruelty of the Taliban towards women is not something that should be tolerated in a modern world.

www.youtube.com...

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Great thinking! To save women's rights, we should slaughter thousands of innocent women civillians by "accident", and shoot the place up with depleted uranium so that the women are literally advised NOT TO EVEN HAVE CHILDREN, because they have such a high rate of birth defects.

BRAVO, FOR WOMEN'S RIGHTS IN AFGHANISTAN..


You are a victim of their marketing propaganda. First it was about Bin Laden. Now they switched it to about women, even though that is a lie. You're a tool.

Originally posted by poet1b

Watching this video really allows one to realize that it is a good thing we are fighting in the Middle East. The cruelty of the Taliban towards women is not something that should be tolerated in a modern world.

I have to disagree with you on this. It is time for troops of all Western nations to come home and protect the borders of our own countries. Given the nature of those wars, they cannot be won. Muslims will never accept our values and way of life when living on Islamic land, it is not compatible. The same way their values and way of life will never be truly accepted in Western countries.

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So if we can not co-exist what do we do with Muslims who live in our countries now?

Originally posted by Freeborn
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So if we can not co-exist what do we do with Muslims who live in our countries now?

Ordinary Muslims that want to follow their region and respect that they are living in a different culture are not the problem. Extremists that are calling for Sharia Law and demanding that women wear burqas in the UK are the problem. There are obvious differences that separate the West from Islamic states. Moderates accept this, extremists do not.

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Who decides who the 'moderates' are and who are the 'extremists'?

Where do the 'extremists' go to?

Originally posted by Freeborn
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Who decides who the 'moderates' are and who are the 'extremists'?

Where do the 'extremists' go to?

I can see where this is heading. I don't have all the answers my friend. The people of the UK will have to determine the best course of action to take. Just don't fall into the trap of lumping all Muslims together. With an unbiased gaze, it is not hard to see who the troublemakers are and separate them from the majority.

Originally posted by Dark Ghost

Originally posted by poet1b

I have to disagree with you on this. It is time for troops of all Western nations to come home and protect the borders of our own countries. Given the nature of those wars, they cannot be won. Muslims will never accept our values and way of life when living on Islamic land, it is not compatible. The same way their values and way of life will never be truly accepted in Western countries.

Actually what you mentioned is one on the BNP's foreign policies, 'you leave us and we leave you alone'.

But the West is not fighting in those countries to liberate women or to install democracy or to even to win any wars.

It's simply to do with political interest's, millitary interest's and the most important interest in resources.

Do you really think in future the Western nations will pull out all their forces from Saudi to Afghanistan and stop funding and arming little israel? Will they stop telling nations around the world of what they can and can't do? The hypocrisy and double standards is too blatent.

It's all pipe dream's, this world revolves around what the elites want, not what you or I want.

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I don't expect you to have all the answers my friend, I know I have a damn sight more questions than answers.

There will be no easy solution.

It pains me to say this but I am becoming more and more convinced that we can not peacefully co-exist.

Originally posted by Freeborn
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Who decides who the 'moderates' are and who are the 'extremists'?

Where do the 'extremists' go to?

As a muslim some may think i am an extremist.

Some may think the muslim down the road building a mosque might be an extremist even though he's got nothing to do with radical's.

Some may think those wearing burqa by their own choice might be an extremist or the men in their house might be extremist's.

I have personally met muslims who said i wasn't a real muslim because i voted and i shouldn't vote because Sharia law was the way to go.

Than i have also met muslims who say it's ALL GOOD as long as we don't harm each other.

So where do you start defining whose an extremist like you stated?

How on earth can anyone reasonably expect Sharia law to be implemented in the UK? Some, I repeat some moslems are idiotic extremists and some of those who oppose them are also idiots.

I believe that class and education have a lot to do with it.

Originally posted by poet1b

Watching this video really allows one to realize that it is a good thing we are fighting in the Middle East. The cruelty of the Taliban towards women is not something that should be tolerated in a modern world.

www.youtube.com...

Yes but some of us that have a greater understanding of world affairs remeber when the Taliban and even Saddam were "Friends of the West".

Frankly a Youtube clip may endorse a perspective but is not the last call in evidence or analysis.

Originally posted by Tiger5

How on earth can anyone reasonably expect Sharia law to be implemented in the UK? Some, I repeat some moslems are idiotic extremists and some of those who oppose them are also idiots.

There are idiots everywhere my friend, and in some places they far outnumber the non-idiots!

I believe that class and education have a lot to do with it.

Once over I may have agreed with this.

But how does explain Bin Laden.
Or the Doctors who who attacked Glasgow airport etc.

The 'home grown' terrorists have had more education and opportunity than any of the Afghani Taliban.
Anjem Choudray, a most hateful individual, is a qualified solicitor.

Originally posted by Tiger5

I believe that class and education have a lot to do with it.

Like Freeborn stated, majority of the top notch radicals are very well educated and were very wealthy.

Bin Ladin, his family owned multi million dollar Bin Ladin construction company and his family at the moment owns huge businesses worth billions but not using the Bin Ladin name anymore.

Aymen Al zawahiri, from a wealthy background and very well educated doctor.

I don't know what made them pick the path of radicalism, but looking at their history, they disliked the Western influence in their countries and decided to do something about it.



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The thousands of women killed, were killed by the Muslim men eager to sacrifice anyone to save themselves.

To this day most of the civilian casualties are taken out by Muslim men who are, and always have been, the greatest threat to women in the middle east and around the planet.

Muslim men continue to prove themselves to be the most arrogant, violent people on the planet.

Originally posted by poet1b
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To this day most of the civilian casualties are taken out by Muslim men who are, and always have been, the greatest threat to women in the middle east and around the planet.

In that case Saudi Arabia has the most extrimist men.Osama was from Saudi.

But for some reason they are US's second best freind after israel.

I heard US is soon gona dispatch a few F-22's to the Saudi regime, which australia and israel been longing for quite a while.

See what i mean by double standards and hypocrisy?

It goes back to asking, where does the money come from that is funding these huge Mosques.

www.guardian.co.uk...

Tablighi Jamaat, the controversial Islamist sect that has applied for planning permission for the multi-million-pound mosque, has been described by French intelligence as 'an antechamber of fundamentalism'. This evangelical movement, which has gained a strong following among young male Muslims, is a Deobandi Muslim organisation that has close links with the Wahhabi fundamentalist form of the religion promoted in Saudi Arabia and practised by the Saudi royal family.

The sect, which bought the brownfield site in the early Nineties, has sent hundreds of British Muslims to madrassas - religious schools - in Pakistan each year. There are concerns within British intelligence that these trips may have radicalised some of them. Followers have also attended the sect's Saudi-financed UK headquarters in Dewsbury, West Yorkshire. They include Mohammed Siddique Khan and Shehzad Tanweer, two of the bombers who struck London on 7 July last year.

The same wealthy families funding the oppression of Muslims in the Middle East are now funding oppression in the U.K., and throughout the world.

One can only ask oneself, how much oil money is being used to bribe European politicians into selling Europe to the oil rich sheiks.

How sad is it that people fleeing poverty, embrace the very same ideals that made them slaves on their own homelands, thereby exporting slavery to the nations where they sought freedom.

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YEPPER, our wealthy elites are all buddy buddy with your wealthy elites. Birds of a feather flock together.

This is something I observed long ago, and a point I have often made.

Who do you think is spreading the extremism?

The burqa is a symbol of slavery.

Every woman who puts one on is submitting herself to slavery.

Every man who supports his wife wearing such a monstrosity may think he is empowering himself, but that is a trick and a lie that has seduced him. He chains himself to a prayer rug, that prevents him from taking the necessary actions to obtain the liberty that is his right as a man and a human being, Granted by God. No free man gets on his knees daily and prays to a man who claimed to be the voice of god. A real man, when he chooses to pray, prays directly to the actual God, who is everywhere, and it is between him and God, and no one else is inbetween.

Everything about Islam is a submission to the rich and powerful.

Originally posted by poet1b
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YEPPER, our wealthy elites are all buddy buddy with your wealthy elites. Birds of a feather flock together.

, atleast you admit that they are best buddies.

Now that you have finally realised that, maybe you should do something about the hypocrisy of your buddy instead of blaming the other buddy?

Your buddy is quick to jump the gun when the chinese or the russians are breaking the code of human rights.Than why does your buddy not do anything about the blatent dis-regard of human rights by his islamic buddy?

The most radical wahabi sect originates from Saudi and fund's every radical sect i.e the salafis, tableeghis, taliban etc..



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