Cat tries to "revive" her friend

Wolfofwar
"A nose to nose rub is not a kiss, she is marking you. Would she follow her "kiss" with a rub across her cheek, you know, where her scent glands are?

She waited for you outside because you are both park of her pack and a provider of food.

You are projecting human emotion in really common animal traits. I'm not the one in denial."

OK resident expert, is it considered "marking you" if you get a nose to nose rub without the rub across her cheek?

There's more to it than simply being a "provider of food", they also enjoy the warm company of their owner, there's also a thing called trust. Regardless of whether the cat was being fed or not if they're being mistreated they wouldn't keep coming back.

Or am I merely in denial and in your condescending words "projecting human emotion in really common animal traits".

Stop pretending to be an expert on cat behaviour.

[edit on 3-5-2010 by Beast Of Gevaudan]

[edit on 3-5-2010 by Beast Of Gevaudan]

reply to post by Beast Of Gevaudan


gee, did I ever say I was an expert in cat behavior? No. But I'm also not going against all recorded study on animal study. A nose bump (without scenting) is trying to get your attention. That's all. It's not a kiss, it's not an intelligent response, it's saying "hey, you, I want something."

And yes, cats like their owners for warmth and affection and trust, because that's what is provided by a pack peculiar this is just basic ingrained feline instincts at play.

Animals are intelligent, sure. They may even grasp some basic emotions, fear, excitement, etc. But a cat is not morning the dead. If anything its just waiting for it to wake up like nothing is wrong.

Most animals don't conceive death. Most animals don't conceive love the way we do. They may "love" something but in a primitive way. Only the more advanced animals brain wise experience complex emotions. Cats are not one of them, sadly either are dogs. Most of their loyalty, trust, and companionship i a result of instinct. Not to say instinct means emotionless. Just that instinct means that they were programmed by nature to act this way, it wasn't some choice that they made.

Originally posted by mithrawept
Anyone think that animals don't feel?

Think about this next time you eat meat.

LOL tell that too the plant as well. according to the Native Americans, plants have life as well.

reply to post by dragnet53


Dragnet, even science acknowledges that plants are alive.

You simply cannot live without killing something else. This is life.

Originally posted by WolfofWar
reply to post by Beast Of Gevaudan

 

gee, did I ever say I was an expert in cat behavior? No. But I'm also not going against all recorded study on animal study. A nose bump (without scenting) is trying to get your attention. That's all. It's not a kiss, it's not an intelligent response, it's saying "hey, you, I want something."

And yes, cats like their owners for warmth and affection and trust, because that's what is provided by a pack peculiar this is just basic ingrained feline instincts at play.

What I meant by "kiss" was a sign of affection. To get my attention, yes, but sometimes they're saying "I want a pat and a cuddle". My cat will often just go to sleep or relax, not lead me to the kitchen pantry for food or to the door to go outside etc.

I'm not saying they possess anywhere near our level of intelligence or emotional capacity, and yes, there are ingrained feline instincts which dictate most of their behaviour. Ingrained instincts dictate most of the behaviour of all living things, humans included. The point is that they're capable of emotions that indicate a connection/bond with their owners that goes beyond "you're a part of my pack and a provider of food". Whether they think we're just big cats or not is irrelevant. It's the ability to show concern for their owner when they're ill, greet you at the door when you get home from work, snuggle up next to you on your bed, follow you into another room and sit next to you, respond when their name is called etc that indicates this.

reply to post by grimreaper797


I see what you and Wolfofwar are saying and I mostly agree but I don't believe it's as primitive as you say it is. I think cats and dogs are more complicated creatures than we think.

[edit on 3-5-2010 by Beast Of Gevaudan]

An interesting point to note, domesticated cats and dogs have evolved to be the perfect companions for humanity.

Literally, they have evolved to fill this role. I remember a study a while back that concluded that cats 'meows' and other vocalizations sound as they do to mimic the sounds a baby human gives off. Dogs do things like lick which, beyond puppyhood, wolves rarely do.

Humans have also evolved with the animals we domesticate. We have grown codependent with our furry friends. Even the domesticated animals we eat (cows, etc) benefit from the inter-relationship with humanity. Cows are not even close to becoming extinct and humans have a vested interest in their survival. Imagine if the people that hunted off the woolly mammoth had the ability to domesticate them.

This video made me miss my little feline friend. I still dream about him ambushing my feet when I sleep.

The cat is not trying to revive its friend, it's simply kneading something soft and it looks like he's trying to mate with her.

Cats don't have the education to know CPR. They don't know the heart has stopped beating and needs to be pumped to make it start again.

I love animals as much and more than the next guy and I do think they have the capacity to love and care for other beings, but this video is not of a cat trying to revive his dead friend. That's anthropomorphizing.

[edit on 5/3/2010 by Benevolent Heretic]

reply to post by Beast Of Gevaudan


You act as though we possess emotions above primitive needs. Our entire essence is driven by primal urges and the laws of nature. Cats and dogs do possess the ability to "love" and feel "emotion," not because they are so much more intelligent than we think, but because those emotion are actually very primitive.

A cat being affectionate isn't sign of intelligence because it's not a sign of intelligence in humans either.

reply to post by Beast Of Gevaudan


Nobody is debating their complexity. But they are debating 1: animal trying to bring another animal back to life/ know that the other animal is dead and feel sad. 2: That animals have complex enough frontal lobes to feel the kind of emotions people are trying to say they have.

I am sure animals feel, but it is the degree of which they feel which is what people don't get. They think you either feel or you don't. They have a very basic frontal lobe, so they have very basic feelings, and very basic connection to those feelings. It is not as complex as we make it out to be. We are probably the most complex, then dolphins. It goes down pretty fast in complexity from there. By the time you get to cats, the degree and complexity of feelings and general thought process has dropped a great deal. Certainly past the point of mortality, remorse, feeling sad.

Think about it, sadness doesn't seem like a very useful evolutionary trait for something out of the feline family. They are carnivore, not herbivores or omnivores. If they felt sad when something died, they would have a pretty mentally distraught life.

Like I said, nobody is saying animals don't have varying degrees of complexity. All we are trying to say is they don't have such a degree of complexity that some people wish they did.

To be honest, I don't care about the specifics of what the cat is doing to the dead cat.

It looks like to me (but I'm no expert) like these cats had a strong emotional bond, and the one cat lost his friend, how sad

I'm such a sucker for videos like this...

Off-topic sort of.
I used to live in the back of a pub that my cousin owned. I had a cat named Stanley who would sneak out into the pub when patrons were playing pool. He'd jump up on the table and start pulling balls into the pockets so he could stick his head in the hole and watch it go.
Stanley would seem to hold conversations, as he'd meow everytime you said something directly at him. Often the meows were multi-syllable and mimicking speach.

I know cats can't talk or think like humans, but we owners get so attached to them and dependant of their companionship that we treat them as good if not better than humans

Why did i watch the vid? Sigh... Feel like # now. =/

reply to post by mryanbrown


LOL, did you just accuse me of plagiarism and having two accounts because somebody doesn't know how to quote me?

Fail.

You said 2: There is no humping...

Well.. I seriously think you need to go see an eye doctor. I even posted the exact minutes of the humping...

So you fail again!

You also stated I am here trying to discredit emotions from animals, and that can't be further from the truth. If you read some of my last posts you will see two of them talk about emotions felt by my own cat, and I even posted a video of dogs feeling emotion and even saving another dog.

So you failed multiple times in a single post.

I am not here to ruin a topic, I am here to point out the truth. That cat was trying to mate with the dead cat. Anyone who doesn't see the obvious humping from 0:50 to 0:54 and the obvious biting and holding of the neck from 2:32 till the end should go see an eye doctor, or maybe learn more about cats.

Sorry to ruin your heart felt topic but this entire video is one big misunderstanding.

[edit on 3-5-2010 by ALLis0NE]

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


..and I agree with you 100%.

I think it is not only very obvious, but also pretty sad that only few on this topic notice the error taking place on this topic.

[edit on 3-5-2010 by ALLis0NE]

So because I was insulted by a member because of my insight and knowledge, I am forced to prove myself...

Here is a cat trying to "revive" a pillow...

(not my cat)

*take note this cat is fixed.



This cat is doing the same thing to a pillow that the other cat is doing to the dead cat. Notice the cat holding the pillow in its mouth, and the arched back, and funny leg movement.

Here is another cat doing it's odd humping ritual:



Here is a failed attempt at mating. You can see the biting of the neck, and the stepping on the cat to keep it down and in place:



You must understand that male cats have barbs on their penis, so during mating it hurts the female cat, and female cats don't like mating. They always try to run or bite the male cat. This is whey the male cat bites and holds the neck of the other cat, so it doesn't run away or try to attack.

This is usualy what happens:




..now, in the OP's video you see the cat biting the neck of the dead cat like all the above videos. You will also notice the same arched back and small quick thrusts/humps, and the kneading is just something common.

So yeah... you all are getting emotional over a cat humping a dead cat.

I doubt the cat even knew the other cat was dead.

...reality and truth... is sometimes very mundane.

[edit on 3-5-2010 by ALLis0NE]

as a pet owner and somebody who lost his kitty-buddy this year, this hurts.

As someone who had two dogs, one died unexpectedly, and the other has been mourning and searching for him since then, this hits so close to home.

my family has always taken in animals, my mother came here illegally and worked so hard to become legal and successful. I think she feels a kinship with the creatures who have nothing and just want to be loved, something she passed onto me.


/end rant

reply to post by ALLis0NE


this thread made me sad and opened up old wounds about my pets who have died recently, thank you for making me laugh/telling the truth

Just to get the cat sex out of my brain, this is what my cat does to me. No humping, just a cuddly cat.


This could be my kitty


And this one is just tooooooo darn cute.


I "knead" you


(sorry, I tried embedding but it didn't work, just left a blank screen. they're both youtube videos).

Mod edit: YouTube tags corrected.

[edit on 3/5/2010 by ArMaP]