Revelation; Souls under the altar.

Originally posted by DISRAELI
a group of souls gathered "under the altar", complaining to God and getting a response.

Who are these people? John says they're martyrs; they've all been slain "for the word of God and for the witness they have borne". Since they're already dead, they're set aside from the main action. We can almost see them as commenting from the sidelines.

Santa Maria della Concezione dei Cappuccini, Rome. The crypt is located just under the church. A plaque in one of the chapels reads, in three languages, "What you are now, we once were; what we are now, you shall be."

Ordo Fratrum Minorum Capuccinorum is an Order of friars in the Roman Catholic Church, among the chief offshoots of the Franciscans. The Order arose in 1520 when Matteo da Bascio, an Observant Franciscan friar native to the Italian region of the Marches, said he had been inspired by God with the idea that the manner of life led by the friars of his day was not the one which their founder, St. Francis of Assisi, had envisaged. He sought to return to the primitive way of life of solitude and penance as practiced by the founder of their Order.

They believe in extreme austerity, simplicity and poverty—in all things as near an approach to St Francis' ideals as is practicable. Neither the monasteries nor the Province should possess anything, nor were any loopholes to be resorted to for evading this law. No large provision against temporal wants should be made, and the friars were not allowed even to touch money.

reply to post by METACOMET

Thank you for that very literal interpretation of "under the altar".

reply to post by DISRAELI


those who are lead of the Spirit are called the Sons of God"

and hear his voice and obey...

just a thought, could 'the' as in the altar in heaven .. be miss translated and could it be the Altar OF heaven?

reply to post by Komodo

I think the concept is good.
The actual phrase "altar in heaven" doesn't appear in the text, being merely a comentators' suggestion, but we do have "heavenly sanctuary" in Hebrews ch8 v5, which is the same kind of idea.

A reminder because of recent interest in Revelation

(Thinking)

In relation to the SEALS as a whole, the word "angel" is not used, when comparing this to other events listed the same way in revelation.

That is very Important. The Description is Either Unclean in God's Eyes, or it is a work that is not performed by God.
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"Souls Under the Altar"

Abraham used a "Lamb", after binding his Son in order to kill him...............this wasn't a work God performed, neither was this clean in God's Eyes.

Moses used a "Lamb", before the Hebrews in order to curtail euthanasia.............this wasn't a work God performed, neither was this clean in God's Eyes.
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The "SEALS" of Revelation, do not describe God or "angels" performing the work...........it talks about a "Lamb" or a sacrifice. This is not a work God performs, nor is this clean in God's Eyes, God does not kill saints or angels, to identify with a judgment..(God does not need to kill himself, or suicide).

"Souls Under the Altar"

God describes someone in the bible, that is important, that is put to death, or that is resurrected. We may see a description like the "SEALS"..........Jesus for example, after this crucifixion, they went into this tomb and saw some cloths, at that point they "saw souls under the altar"..............they saw a rainbow or something.............

None of that is important, if God does not want to do anything, taking up the assumption is not only unclean, but often times it doesn't mean anything.

This series was being run ten years ago.
Perhaps it is now becoming topical again.