Religion is slavery, and god is obsolete.

Originally posted by deenuu
reply to post by Quadrivium

 

The aggregate of qualities and characteristics that distinguish one person or thing from others; character: choices that were intended to express his individuality;

Your beliefs are spoon fed to you in the form of an old book and regurgitated by generations of men, you are told what to believe and unfortunately millions believe the same thing that doesn’t scream individuality man. Im not delusional, just like to do what ever I please and don’t like any rules in my life as it’s short and must be enjoyed.

See you are delusional. One choice does not make the individual.
I have been where you are brother. Trust me I love the sound of the waves, the smell and the feeling of being on the open ocean as much as you but there is no joy like what I have experianced.
You were raised in a Chatholic school right?(I think that what I read) Anyway I am more along the lined of a prodistant Christian. There is not a priest to pray on my behalf and he can not absolve me of my sins. I speak with the Lord directly and ask for forgiveness when I make a mistake. I read his word and ask him to give me understanding and guidance.
I truly feel sorry for those who are missing out. I to thought I was on top of the world once and that I did not need anything else but now I see it was just a small hill in my daily walk.

Love you brother!

reply to post by Quadrivium



you sound like a decent guy, and im not on here to bash Christians, my parents and in-laws are Christian and we have the same conversations over Christmas lunch lol fun times.

you have every right to believe what you like, what ever makes you happy and if we met in the real world I wouldn’t be as insulting as I am on here, This still doesn’t change the fact, I feel offended by any religion Christian, Jew, whatever and I am interested in the mind set of religious people because like you I feel free and also a little arrogant that my beliefs are right. I will always and I mean that always reject all forms of any religion I have seen to much destruction caused by faith, but on the other hand I see the beauty of nature and life every day I am in awe of our magical universe but I attribute all that beauty to nature I am a pagan hippy if I was going to place my self into a group which I generally refuse to do.

If im not mistaken Paganism came before Christianity, I have been to Europe and have seen the destruction the church has done to all pagan symbols and sites, your cross symbol is a pagan symbols just minus the circle/sun, I almost feel I am owed an apology as my spirituality has been almost destroyed to create your religion, but once again I am a complex human being and am to special to be placed in a box like paganism as there are things that I properly would disagree with in that religion (like worship of a god)., so all you Christians its ok I don’t require an apology its cool



[edit on 4-5-2010 by deenuu]

Originally posted by deenuu
reply to post by Intuitiveaptitude2009

 

Ok first of all let me be clear your religion is the same as all religions, whether Islamic, scientology even atheism its all the same, just a bunch of people in a group professing to know the mysteries of the world, and guess what there are millions of people who believe their religion is right and yours is wrong, there can only be one winner, there is only one reality. Christianity is just easy picking for me because I live in the west and I know more about this particular religion than any other.

I never said sex would solve everything, I just think it’s a beautiful human expression that should be encouraged, not frowned upon and cast as dirty but a bunch outdated know-it-alls.

what does it matter to you if another woman or man is a pro??, really you don’t have to have anything to do with them, the world is a big place just stay away, but you are a hypocrite if you a 'god fearing Christian' judges another for their free choice to f**k their life away, personally I think their would be allot more child abuse in the church if prostitutes were not around, so in a way you owe prostitutes your gratitude for keeping lonely, old, celibate priests happy as they have for millennia.

No bible quote has any effect on me actually Religion offends me, so I stay away from Religion most of the time, unless I make the choice to enter into discussions like this.

There is no point to life, just to live, and what if I don’t want to make the world a better place??, I don’t have to just because you or your weird superstitions say so, it’s my life I will do with it as I please.

Did I miss any of your questions.......? Oh yeah last one, I can say never in my relationship, we wouldn’t have gotten married if there was a chance we wouldn’t want to spend our lives together, she is my companion. Some people in this world like to be part of the heard and blindly follow a leader, does that sound familiar??? Me I just travel with my companion very similar to an Australian ridgeback lizard look up this animal, im not a pack dog or a sheep that needs rules, systems and a leader to function and follow.

Peace bro.


[edit on 3-5-2010 by deenuu]

On me judging people: www.biblebelievers.com/jmelton/Judging.html

i'm not judging people to say i'm above them or their evil. i just want this world to find christ. but going by your standards he has nothing left to give the world ?

i somehow doubt all religions are the same. especially when some are clearly different and have different teachings. or am i wrong ?

"There is no point to life, just to live, and what if I don’t want to make the world a better place??, I don’t have to just because you or your weird superstitions say so, it’s my life I will do with it as I please.
" thats probably one of the saddest statements i have heard......you know what may YHWH bless you and your family. thanks for showing me what i need to do........

so i'm a sheep because you claim i follow blindly yet my previous statements beg to differ ? how could that be so unless i'm missing something ? i know exactly what christianity is ? do you know what your following ? if my book preaches fairness and love and your previous statement was "what if i don't want to make the world a better place" to part quote. what does that make you and me ?

Thanks again for renforcing my belief in YHWH and Jesus may you and your family lead fulfilling lives. And remember never say never unless your a time traveller...........

To say the book teaches fairness and love....is just sad.

Sure, I wont say that love is not in there some where, or that the Holy Spirit can teach us fairness and love...but the Yahweh 'god' is not such things.

You will one day learn, blood sacrifices is a dark earthly practice....the religions of scapegoats does nothing for your spiritual being.

Except your wrongs as yours, pick up your Earthly ways and place them on your cross....and walk in the way. I only caution to believe in that something had to die for you....the blood is on your hands just the same.

Originally posted by deenuu
If im not mistaken Paganism came before Christianity, I have been to Europe and have seen the destruction the church has done to all pagan symbols and sites, your cross symbol is a pagan symbols just minus the circle/sun, I almost feel I am owed an apology as my spirituality has been almost destroyed to create your religion, but once again I am a complex human being and am to special to be placed in a box like paganism as there are things that I properly would disagree with in that religion (like worship of a god)., so all you Christians its ok I don’t require an apology its cool

[edit on 4-5-2010 by deenuu]

Well to be honest Paganism came after Monotheism. Though you disagree with the Bible is why you have it the other way around. And if you noticed, only Catholics refer to themselves as God, and atheists. I could give the run down but I think it would take up a lot of posts. Maybe I shouldn't say all cause I'm sure some may follow the scriptures to their intended meaning. I don't know how long you were Catholic, maybe you said so and I forgot or maybe you didn't at all so I won't assume one way or the other.

The Pope is the only man to sign documents with the words "Us" and "Our" in them. I'd give the sentence but I can't think of it off the top of my head but I think you may know what I'm talking about. Just as God said "...let Us make man in Our image." The Pope signs it almost like that. Not to mention the high priests also think they are God and whatever decision they make is final and God can't do a thing about it. Talk about your blasphemies, right? The Pope can also forgive sins apparently.

If you are familiar with the prophesies in the Book of Daniel and compare that with some verses in Revelation then you will see that the Bible is historically accurate. If you want a run down I'd be glad to give them since we discuss so much together.

The evidence is in the free masonry in Rome. You know, where the Knights Templar used to kick it back in the day.



[edit on 4-5-2010 by novastrike81]

reply to post by novastrike81


How can anyone put a date on the start of Paganism??

It cant be done.

We find cities, old old cities, with animals on the walls and graves. Objects like 'suns' 'stars' on their walls. There is no telling how long ago people felt the Spirit of life....within all life itself. It is probably the most ancient form of 'spiritual' thinking.

See you cant place Paganism in a box like 'religions'.

If you are going by when actual Pagan Temples were built, this is a bad point of reference for the starting of Paganism.

Originally posted by LeoVirgo
reply to post by novastrike81

 

How can anyone put a date on the start of Paganism??

It cant be done.

We find cities, old old cities, with animals on the walls and graves. Objects like 'suns' 'stars' on their walls. There is no telling how long ago people felt the Spirit of life....within all life itself. It is probably the most ancient form of 'spiritual' thinking.

See you cant place Paganism in a box like 'religions'.

If you are going by when actual Pagan Temples were built, this is a bad point of reference for the starting of Paganism.

Yea, I agree, and I think it's also kind of an irrelevant subject to try and discuss. Does it really matter which came first? The Bible started out with just monotheism and then the source may have started with the Tower of Babel and just took off. Again, irrelevant but I figured I'd throw that tidbit out there.

It seems to me nothing can be known exclusively of logic or of intuition. A predominantly logical mind seems agnostic, and the predominantly intuitive mind seems spiritual. Then again, both these statements above are mere conjecture themselves and subject to relative truth. In other words, words themselves, no matter how intuitive or logical seem to break down into subjective relativism. Nothing can be known. Again, that statement is just another conjecture. Perhaps something can be known. I like to just sit in silence, breath and just let my thoughts disappear altogether. In this state, I feel like I escape the whole word play that the world is so caught up in, as am I myself when in ordinary conscience states.

reply to post by novastrike81


Well....if the story were true, that adam 'walked' with god and was the first man ect...to receive divine leadership ect....and Yahweh then would of always been ehre...ect....then I think it would matter yes, which is the base Christians, Jews, and Muslims (edit to add...same family line, same wishes for 'god', different name different beliefs, all is based on a bloodline)...ect ect () see their faith as important and the right one...they do believe their god was here first, the only god ever here....ect ect ()

But I dont think this is so...and I think there is much more evidence to show man had really no clue of a 'outsider god' in days of old....but more were seekers, of a spirit of life, something within them, something within all life around them. Myths are full of 'beings' 'gods' being named planets, suns, moons, elements, ect....myths, stories, legends, books, surely there is some truth in the similar thread that seems to run through them all.

Is it important to me....not so more. When I was a Christian, that was one of the things I walked of, that since the time of Adam, first man, Yahweh reached out, being the first and the last, the only and all.

I cant help but find so much irony....on where a personal path with the Spirit has taken me. In the totally opposite direction, to a degree.

Ive a became a critic of all beliefs and faiths now. Seeing the light and dark of them all. I wouldnt label myself as anything, but I can say, I know for a fact, the Spirit within life, nature...is a very real love anyone can experience. I can say, I know for sure, the nature of Jesus, the man, seems to of known the Spirit of life, the Holy Essence...and I dont place him with the old yahweh of old.

I think there is alot of things that point to the fact that 'these people' of Yahweh's that the Bible talks about as being inheritance to him....they seemed to have had alot of issues of letting go of 'past gods'. I think there is much to show that these were a people that were attached to the beliefs of the lands they went through. Taking a little bit of Sumerian, a little bit of Canaan, a little bit of Egypt, a little bit of Iraq, and a little bit of Africa....and we see a people coming together, trying to sift through the gods to get to 1 spirit. I think it was a natural process men had to go through....we must see our many selves, as one as well. It is a part of the blueprint....our past, all was so needed.

In short of my now very long answer to you, I do think it matters very much....to Christians or any Abrahamic religion, that their god, came way before rebellious' pagans. For me, I enjoy learning that it seems man was left to be 'seekers'...trying to be creative, search meanings, and seek a higher self or spiritual side to this life of matter and its laws of duality.

Rambling on...

[edit on 4-5-2010 by LeoVirgo]

Originally posted by No King but Jesus
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

if by picky you mean at least in my case like a worst sinner then that would fit

So your god came to you because you were such bad sinner? So, you are saying that unless I sin more, your god will not come whisper in my ear? I get to live like this, die, and go to hell all because I did not break as many rules as you?

However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.-Rom4.5

Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God's purpose in election might stand-Rom9.11

I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them

Once I was alive apart from law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died.

The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them."-Gal3.12

I have read your book thanks. Sorry but tossing around bible quotes is less than pointless to me. Unless the person tossing them out can spend even more time explaining how they interpret them, they mean nothing to me. Sorry. Out of context quotes from such a big book are often used to prove contradictory points and I am pretty sure you know that.

But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

Ah, the old made up, 'Jesus cam and did away with the old laws' line of BS. Sorry pal but like I said - I have read your book. Jesus came to FULLFILL the law, not end it.

Originally posted by novastrike81
And if you noticed, only Catholics refer to themselves as God, and atheists. I could give the run down but I think it would take up a lot of posts.

This is one of the strangest statements I have ever seen in one of these religious threads and I think that says quite a bit. Can you explain? Catholics are the only people to call themselves Atheists? Huh?
Catholics call themselves God?

Can you elaborate?

reply to post by K J Gunderson


if quotes of the Word mean nothing to you why attempt to twist it into something you made up to accuse or slander me? are you in agreement with the ones who chop fingers hands and noses off women?

Why not say—as we are being slanderously reported as saying and as some claim that we say—"Let us do evil that good may result"?

But he who has been forgiven little loves little."

" 'How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?

the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God

He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God.

the word which can save you

He replied, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it."

that very word which I spoke

For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

This will take place on the day when God will judge men's secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."

Your accuser is Moses, on whom your hopes are set.

For Moses said, 'The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own people; you must listen to everything he tells you. Anyone who does not listen to him will be completely cut off from among his people.'

Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven.

For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.

The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise.

Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law.

What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come.

in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.

And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.'

And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ

Anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because he has not believed the testimony God has given about his Son.

The Jews insisted, "We have a law, and according to that law he must die, because he claimed to be the Son of God."(just like the muslims eh?)

reply to post by No King but Jesus


I hope you do realize why some of the stuff you post is 100% meaningless...

And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ

The above means NOTHING! I mean...who says so? God? What about the people who don't believe in God because there's no proof? Why do I HAVE to believe in Jesus?

I DON'T believe in Jesus, and I'm perfectly fine. I live a good life, my morals are at the right place, and I don't hurt anyone. You don't NEED Jesus to be happy or a good person.

So yeah, your bible quotes are pretty useless in this discussion, sorry.

I feel sad for people who think like the title states (no offence).



[edit on 4-5-2010 by StarBoyFG]

Originally posted by No King but Jesus
if quotes of the Word mean nothing to you why attempt to twist it into something you made up to accuse or slander me?

Huh? What did I twist or make up to slander you with? Can you be more clear?

I never said that quotes of the word mean nothing. If you are going to respond, you are going to have to read. I said OUT OF CONTEXT QUOTES WITH NO EXPLANATION OF HOW THEY APPLY mean nothing.

are you in agreement with the ones who chop fingers hands and noses off women?

What?????????

Why not say—as we are being slanderously reported as saying and as some claim that we say—"Let us do evil that good may result"?

I am not following at all. What is all this talk of slander? Are you sure you meant to reply to me?

But he who has been forgiven little loves little."

" 'How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?

the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God

He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God.

the word which can save you

He replied, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it."

that very word which I spoke

For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

This will take place on the day when God will judge men's secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."

Your accuser is Moses, on whom your hopes are set.

For Moses said, 'The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own people; you must listen to everything he tells you. Anyone who does not listen to him will be completely cut off from among his people.'

Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven.

For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.

The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise.

Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law.

What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come.

in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.

And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.'

And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ

Anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because he has not believed the testimony God has given about his Son.

The Jews insisted, "We have a law, and according to that law he must die, because he claimed to be the Son of God."(just like the muslims eh?)

I am not sure you actually meant to reply to me but now you have accused me of doing something so cut the rambling nonsense and explain it to me. This time, no random out of context quotes, not side stories about Moses for no reason. Just talk like a freakin human being for one post and see if you can make some sense!

reply to post by MrXYZ

you have heard my testimony right?

born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.

The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit."

reply to post by K J Gunderson


Sorry but tossing around bible quotes is less than pointless to me. Unless the person tossing them out can spend even more time explaining how they interpret them, they mean nothing to me. Sorry. Out of context quotes from such a big book are often used to prove contradictory points and I am pretty sure you know that.

Ah, the old made up, 'Jesus cam and did away with the old laws' line of BS. Sorry pal but like I said - I have read your book. Jesus came to FULLFILL the law, not end it.

yep

Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.' "

reply to post by No King but Jesus


You have seen the wind?

Tentacles, must not eat other oranges! That is why!

To understand you must drink water, and be quite. Or the other way around.

Why? Because HE said so.

_____________________

Do you see why this discussion will go nowhere if you don't start speaking regular English instead of talking in riddles? Too afraid to discuss like the rest of us? Because quoting random parts of the scripture without an interpretation is USELESS!!

I know telling you this is probably useless, because you'll just end up bombarding me with more quotes from the bible...but someone has to tell you

reply to post by No King but Jesus


Tell me no king...what would you know with out the book...by learning just through the holy spirit...your personal experiences...what spiritual wisdom could you share with us.

My point is...have you experienced yourself a Satan, a hell, a jealous god, a commanding upset god who desires worship....have you experienced any of these things or just read of them?