Young Aussie genius whipping NASA in Moon Hoax Debate!

reply to post by Ove38


Perhaps if you had more experience in aviation and/or aerospace, you'd understand immediately what simulators are for. It is called "training":



This is just one example, a simulator for the Boeing 737-300 (belonging to the airline Lufthansa, in this case):



SO, by that *logic* attempt in the post above (nice photo BTW, adds to the history of Apollo for researchers)....by posting one of many types of simulators built for the Apollo mission, and then what? Is the implication of using the word [simulation] trying to infer "faked"?

Are Boeing 737-300 passenger jets "faked"?? Are any other passenger airliners (or other airplanes) "faked"?

Was the Space Shuttle "faked"?



(Above too large for ATS Media Portal)
Caption: Julie Payette in the cockpit of a shuttle simulator at NASA's Johnson Space Center.....

Website for the above image^ ^ ^

Was there some other attempt at making any point in that post that was somehow overlooked??

Originally posted by FoosM

And Im still waiting for somebody to explain how astronauts on earth in full gear, which one assumes
must STILL weigh 185 pounds, managed to do simulations with no problem, but on the moon had difficulty
doing acrobatic jumps in 1/6th G.

Actually one of the first things Armstrong said when he set foot on the moon was that it was easier to move around than what they imagined and that it was easier than on the trainings.

Originally posted by WWu777
Unexplainable questions:

1. How could that little LEM possibly have enough fuel to go 240,000 miles to the moon and all the way back? A 747 airliner doesn't even have a fraction of the fuel that would be required, and the LEM is barely the size of two standard cars! WTF? NASA has never explained that. All it said was "The LEM had enough fuel" and the sheep take it as gospel truth and fact. So dumb. It's like NASA's words create fact and reality and authority=truth. Big major fallacy.

Yes, the little spacecraft they used, couldn't possibly have enough fuel to go 240,000 miles.

Originally posted by hateeternal

Originally posted by FoosM

And Im still waiting for somebody to explain how astronauts on earth in full gear, which one assumes
must STILL weigh 185 pounds, managed to do simulations with no problem, but on the moon had difficulty
doing acrobatic jumps in 1/6th G.

Actually one of the first things Armstrong said when he set foot on the moon was that it was easier to move around than what they imagined and that it was easier than on the trainings.

So was his suit pressurized in the trainings, and how much did it weigh?

reply to post by Ove38

Yes, the little spacecraft they used, couldn't possibly have enough fuel to go 240,000 miles.

A spacecraft is not like a car. Once the booster hurled them into space, they coasted the whole way! Please do a little bit basic research before you embarrass yourself further. And what's with the irrelevant pictures? Again.

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by Ove38

 

Yes, the little spacecraft they used, couldn't possibly have enough fuel to go 240,000 miles.

A spacecraft is not like a car. Once the booster hurled them into space, they coasted the whole way! Please do a little bit basic research before you embarrass yourself further. And what's with the irrelevant pictures? Again.

coasted 240,000 miles

Originally posted by Ove38

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by Ove38

 

Yes, the little spacecraft they used, couldn't possibly have enough fuel to go 240,000 miles.

A spacecraft is not like a car. Once the booster hurled them into space, they coasted the whole way! Please do a little bit basic research before you embarrass yourself further. And what's with the irrelevant pictures? Again.

coasted 240,000 miles

Yeah, considering that Earth's gravitational influence extends about a radius 600,000 miles.

So who deemed this guy a genius again? I've only watched part 1 and 2 of Moonfaker: Reflect on this, and I've already found 2 mistakes, one of them being pretty huge.

1. He forgets to mention that the mythbusters used charcoal to tune down the albedo of the cement, and then assumes they used pure white cement for the moon dust.

2. In his experiment on the asphalt, he assumes his single car headlight is as powerful, and gives off as much light as the sun. Keep in mind, the more light emitted, the more light reflected.

And I only watched 2 parts of 1 video. How many more obvious amature mistakes am I going to find if I watch any more videos of his?

reply to post by FoosM


Yeah, and considering the Moon has a gravitational influence radius as well....

....do try to recall the inverse square law when discussing gravitational attractions.

(And, source for "600,000 miles"? So precise that figure.......considering that the Sun also exerts a gravitational attraction out to well beyond Pluto's distance, to include the Kuiper Belt and Oort Cloud, for example....).

reply to post by Ove38

coasted 240,000 miles

You would be well-served to take some classes in orbital mechanics. Or, just research a bit online, it's free of charge that way.

But first, ponder this: The dozens of other spacecraft we have launched. Just to the Moon alone, well before the manned missions. All used the same principles of physics and space flight.

Not to mention the spacecraft to all the other planets (so far.....one is still enroute to Pluto, gets there in 2015).

Before continuing to post nonsense, a bit of science education seems in order......for the sake of your online reputation, if nothing else.

Here, you can get started here:

Basics of Space Flight: ORBITAL MECHANICS

Also, if you like videos (worth more than a million words):

Astro Space Navigation, Orbital Mechanics


( Makes me wonder, now, if Jarrah White has ever bothered to learn any of this stuff? ).

Originally posted by JohnnySasaki
And I only watched 2 parts of 1 video. How many more obvious amature mistakes am I going to find if I watch any more videos of his?

Try this one : MoonFaker: LRO, Laser Retroreflector Oddity

Another quote about laser reflectors:

Title: Mirrors on the moon. By: Clark, Stuart, New Scientist, 02624079, 7/11/2009, Vol. 203, Issue 2716
Out of every 300 quadrillion (1015) photons that are sent to the moon, about five find their way back. The rest are lost to our atmosphere, or miss the lunar reflectors altogether.

Originally posted by JohnnySasaki
So who deemed this guy a genius again? I've only watched part 1 and 2 of Moonfaker: Reflect on this, and I've already found 2 mistakes, one of them being pretty huge.

The guy who dubbed this guy as a genius was poster WWu777....... the same guy who couldn't work out how the Apollo craft being so small could house all the fuel needed to make the 480,000 miles round trip to the moon.

You're right though......I've now watched about 4/5 videos (Or parts of them.....as they are pretty boring).....all of them are littered with mistakes.
On one video Jarrah calculates the date of an Apollo broadcast incorrectly......and this makes his case in that particular video fall flat on its face.

Jarrah keeps insisting that the Van Allen belts would kill the astronauts.....even though Dr.Van Allen states that the Van Allen belts would NOT be fatal to the Apollo astronauts.

Shouldn't this thread be renamed to " Young Aussie Idiot gets owned by Dr Van Allen"

Originally posted by Logical one

Jarrah keeps insisting that the Van Allen belts would kill the astronauts.....even though Dr.Van Allen states that the Van Allen belts would NOT be fatal to the Apollo astronauts.

Do tell, what type of shielding, and how much of it did Van Allen say was needed to get through the belts?

NASA blew an O-ring on this poor old lady.... look at these headlines today... WHAT IS NASA AFRAID OF?

Lake Elsinore Moon Rock Case Strange As Ever
news.cnet.com...

When officers in flack vests took a hold of the 4'11” Joann Davis, 74, she told reporters she was so scared she lost control of her bladder. The 74-year-old grandmother was questioned in Lake Elsinore for trying to sell a moon rock.

Granny: NASA scared me into returning moon rock
NASA interrogates 73-year-old grandmother for selling moon rocks
AP Exclusive: Woman, 74, claims government agents roughed her up over speck of ...
Moonrock-Peddling Grandma Feels the Cold Hand of the Interplanetary Police
AP Exclusive: NASA sting terrifies woman, 74
Grandmother who tried to sell moon rock still not charged
NASA Sting Operation For Moon Rock Terrifies Woman
Nasa launches sting operation to retrieve tiny moon fragment from 73-year-old ...
NASA wants grandma's moonrock
NASA Takes Granny's Moonrock
NASA insider reveals NASA Moon Forbidden Fly Zones exist

Originally posted by FoosM
Do tell, what type of shielding, and how much of it did Van Allen say was needed to get through the belts?

You obviously missed this from a previous post of mine:

Ø The radiation belts of the Earth do, indeed, pose important constraints on the safety of human space flight.

Ø The very energetic (tens to hundreds of MeV) protons in the inner radiation belt are the most dangerous and most difficult to shield against. Specifically, prolonged flights (i.e., ones of many months' duration) of humans or other animals in orbits about the Earth must be conducted at altitudes less than about 250 miles in order to avoid significant radiation exposure.

Ø A person in the cabin of a space shuttle in a circular equatorial orbit in the most intense region of the inner radiation belt, at an altitude of about 1000 miles, would be subjected to a fatal dosage of radiation in about one week.

Ø However, the outbound and inbound trajectories of the Apollo spacecraft cut through the outer portions of the inner belt and because of their high speed spent only about 15 minutes in traversing the region and less than 2 hours in traversing the much less penetrating radiation in the outer radiation belt. The resulting radiation exposure for the round trip was less than 1% of a fatal dosage - a very minor risk among the far greater other risks of such flights. I made such estimates in the early 1960s and so informed NASA engineers who were planning the Apollo flights. These estimates are still reliable.

James A. Van Allen

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

NASA blew an O-ring on this poor old lady.... look at these headlines today... WHAT IS NASA AFRAID OF?

Encouraging a black market that could lead to counterfeit lunar material being circulated as authentic. Were that to happen, the Jarrah Whites of the world could claim that they obtained an authentic Moon rock and had it tested, when in fact, it was just a piece of asphalt. There are many unscrupulous people in the world. Let's look at the AP article:

Davis claims Armstrong gave the items to her husband, though the affidavit says the first man on the moon has previously told investigators he never gave or sold lunar material to anyone. In follow-up phone conversations with a NASA agent, Davis acknowledged the rock was not sellable on the open market and fretted about an agent knocking on her door and taking the material, which she was willing to sell for "big money underground."

"She must know that this is a questionable transaction because she used the term `black market,"' Agent Conley states in the search warrant.

Curiously, though, Davis agreed to sell the sample to NASA for a stellar $1.7 million.

www.cbsnews.com...

NASA admits the truth...www.telegraph.co.uk... l

Nasa launches sting operation to retrieve tiny moon fragment from 73-year-old grandmother
The elaborate mission to recover a moon rock led NASA agents to one of the most down-to-earth places: a family restaurant in southern California.

"This (is) abhorrent behavior by the federal government to steal something from a retiree that was given to her," said Davis's attorney, Peter Schlueter, who is planning legal action.

Joseph Gutheinz, a University of Phoenix instructor and former NASA investigator who has spent years tracking down missing moon rocks, said prosecuting Davis could prove tricky.

Gutheinz said he recently learned that NASA did not always take good care of lunar materials. In some instances, space suits were simply hosed off and any moon dust on them lost forever.

While bigger rocks such as those given to various countries and museums were carefully inventoried and tracked, it now appears there are unknown numbers of much smaller pieces circulating in the public. Some of these may have been turned into paperweights and informally given away by NASA engineers.

"I have a real moral problem with what's happened here in California," Gutheinz said. "I've always taken the position that no one should own an Apollo-era moon rock. They belong to the people. But if we did such a poor job of safeguarding (lunar samples,) I cannot fault that person."

About 2,200 samples of lunar rocks, core samples, pebbles, sand and dust - weighing about 840 pounds (380 kilograms) - were brought to Earth by NASA's Apollo lunar landing missions from 1969 to 1972. A recent count showed 10 states and more than 90 countries could not account for their shares of the gray rocks.

"Gutheinz said he recently learned that NASA did not always take good care of lunar materials"
recently learned????????????

What is NASA afraid of?

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

What is NASA afraid of?

Already answered.

While I'm at it, let me draw your attention to this part of the quotation:

About 2,200 samples of lunar rocks, core samples, pebbles, sand and dust - weighing about 840 pounds (380 kilograms) - were brought to Earth by NASA's Apollo lunar landing missions from 1969 to 1972. A recent count showed 10 states and more than 90 countries could not account for their shares of the gray rocks.

The black market already exists. NASA needs to make it clear no-one is above prosecution to the fullest extent of the law. Unfortunately, this will only drive the prices up.

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

Try this one : MoonFaker: LRO, Laser Retroreflector Oddity

EACH clear night when the moon is high in the sky, a group of astronomers in New Mexico take aim at our celestial neighbour and blast it repeatedly with pulses of light from a powerful laser. They target suitcase-sized reflectors left on the lunar surface by the Apollo 11, 14 and 15 missions, as well as by two Russian landers.

Out of every 300 quadrillion (1015) photons that are sent to the moon, about five find their way back. The rest are lost to our atmosphere, or miss the lunar reflectors altogether.

From this small catch, the team can assess the movement of the moon to an accuracy of a millimetre or two - a measurement so precise that it has the potential to show up any cracks in Einstein's general theory of relativity. If that's what it does, this lunar laser-ranging experiment will become Apollo's greatest scientific ...

www.newscientist.com...

You can read the rest for $1.98.

Originally posted by DJW001The black market already exists. NASA needs to make it clear no-one is above prosecution to the fullest extent of the law. Unfortunately, this will only drive the prices up.

NASA in recent years has become engaged in a herculean effort to locate missing moon rocks. Why don't they just offer a reward for finding them and returning them? Instead, they made it a "sting" operation. NASA is doing this because they know that these rocks are terrestrial in origin.

NASA are desperate to keep the secret.