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You do wonder why they played around like that in such dangerous conditions..
I mean one knee into a jagged rock would rupture their suit in the vacuum of space..
Not a pretty thought..here's a new thread on just that..
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Prove that he has KNOWINGLY lied.
Done.
Jarrah has, time and time again, corrected and apologised for his HONEST errors of judgement which you call lies.
Provide an example. One would suffice.
I read your post... hmmm... you say at the end "I have presented strong evidence that Jarrah White has willfully presented material that he knew beforehand was simply false"
You have presented material that suggests a mistake or error. I believe he has addressed this point. How do you know that he willfully presented material that he knew was false? That is my point.
Unless you are psychic I can't work out how you KNOW what is going on in his head.
So you admit to not watching his latest videos. Seeing as the thread kind of assumes one would watch Jarrah's videos before trying to call him a hoaxer.
Next time I have the time to watch Jarrah's videos I will indeed make a note of the moments you want to see.
It is unfortunate you have decided to base your thoughts on Jarrah on his first videos only.
Glad to know you do entertain the theory that NASA may have faked the lunar photos.
Originally posted by DJW001
So what exactly are you asking here? How long does it take to get into the LRV? How long did the sequence take? Is something that is unplanned somehow unexplainable? You must admit that your point is a muddle, but I answered all your questions in my reply. (Incidentally, one thing that is so confusing is that you seem to think all of these photos were taken with the astronaut in mid-jump. In fact, they all seem to take place after he has landed, as your own rhetorical questions suggest.
?
Jack Schmitt jumping into LRV at station 9
We have established that supposedly 3 photos were taken within a 4 second time span.
Gene goes to the front of the Rover to take pictures of Jack jumping in his seat. The three pictures are AS17-134- 20452, 20453, and 20454.
It starts in his left, then its transferred to his right, and by the time of the last photo, it has disappeared.
apolloanomalies.com...
Question: How did Jack managed to pull out, change hands and hide the LRV sampler while he jumped into his seat in ONE second?
Again, your point is unclear because you do not present all the photos in a chronological fashion, but keep linking to sources that make your line of reasoning unclear. You also collapse the time frame, which you claim as already established. Despite the confusion you have tried to create, I believe I answered all your questions in this post.
Now may we please return to the question of Jarrah's lie aout the Gemini X photo?
Again, your point is unclear because you do not present all the photos in a chronological fashion,
I believe I answered all your questions in this post.
Originally posted by manmental
You have no idea about special effects.
The theory is idiotic.
>[edit for brevity, byWW]
Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by backinblack
You do wonder why they played around like that in such dangerous conditions..
I mean one knee into a jagged rock would rupture their suit in the vacuum of space..
Not a pretty thought..here's a new thread on just that..
www.abovetopsecret.com...
This is what the A7LB suits looked like under the white thermal and micrometeorite covering:
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/ed0be999b1f0.jpg[/atsimg]
The helmet was made of Lexan, a strong polycarbonate plastic used in jet canopies and football helmets. The suits were not fragile.
More info here and here.
And we are to believe that they managed to take off and put on these suits, sleep, eat, weigh rocks, etc in a space of this size:
DJ, what do you assume that all the photos were taken after Jack landed?
If that was the case, why would they label the second photo (AS17-134-20453) as:
Jack Schmitt jumping into LRV at station 9
?
[Anybody who took the time to review my posts would know this is the first thing I pointed out:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
If in fact I used two sources.
If the photo was of Jack simply sitting in the LRV, NASA would not go through the trouble of stating he was jumping into the LRV. It would make no sense. The man is already sitting. The action of mounting the LRV is over. I doubt DJ you want to challenge NASA on their labeling of the photo. Or do you?
The second clue is that under normal examination of the photos you can see that Jack's posterior is not touching the seat.
As you can see in the second photo, light is shining on his seat.
By the third photo this light is gone, due to the fact Jack has landed is sitting on his seat.
This leaves the first photo where we can see that Jack is also in mid-air on his way to his seat:
Therefore, there should be no question that Jack is still in mid-air in the second photo.
There you go again. It was "a research error," rather than a blatant attempt at a lie. The title of this thread is "Young aussie genius...." Does a genius really make errors that fundamental? As for your current game, there is absolutely no way that it is relevant. All we know is that the three photos were taken in sequence. We do not know how long the astronaut took to "settle in." He may have shifted his position several times over the course of five or six seconds. In any event, it has nothing to do with the subject of this thread.
I understand you wish to have this subject dropped because its a hot potato.
But sorry, this series of photos are the lynchpin. These three photos are the undeniable proof of fakery, and if these are faked they call in question all the photos of this mission. And if they could fake the photos of this mission, they could have faked the photos of all other missions. And if they faked the photos of all the missions, it challenges the whole ascertain that they went to the moon at all. Because, why fake photos if you can land men on the moon?
Wrong! Thats either an outright lie DJ, or this information that I have presented is so damaging to your
psyche that its tying your logic into knots.
I mean how can it not be clear with such examples:
The photos are presented in order.
Again, incorrect. I have a feeling you dont actually read posts, or you do and blocks of text somehow slip by you. The only question you tried to answer using flights fancy was the missing LRV Sampler. But it was unsupported by any facts.
Im quite confident in doing the research of these three photos that they provide undeniable proof of fakery. If anybody would ever ask me again, what I thought was the biggest issue, well these photos are it. Unless somebody can come up with logical explanations for all the anomalies.
1. The impossibility of transferring the LRV Sampler from one hand to another while in the process of jumping into a seat.
2. The disappearance of the LRV Sampler, though no mention of it disappearing is noticed in the transcripts.
As a matter of fact, the sampler can be seen here after at around 122:32:24
Note the length, not something you can easily pass from hand to hand.
3. The strange inflation and deflation of the leg pocket between the three photos.
4. The impossibility of taking three photos (takes at least three seconds) from a portion of a jump that should not take more than a second.
5. The unlikely hood of taking three photos of a jump that would last no longer than a second and a half while changing your position and not causing any motion blur whatsoever.
6. The strange reflections on top the video camera that should be reflecting the black of space.
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by FoosM
Man!! You did it again!! Great job!!
And we are to believe that they managed to take off and put on these suits, sleep, eat, weigh rocks, etc in a space of this size:
Those FIRST TWO VIDEOS? That is the EMU!!! (Might want to do some more research)....
Nice try, but zero points, I'm afraid.....
Oh, and the image you linked is deceptive. Quite the bad habit. Also, you conveniently forgot about the COMMAND MODULE too???
Your incredulity, and its extreme depths, has been noted.....it is incorrect, in each and every aspect....as has been shown time and again,in this thread. But still noted.....edit on 28 February 2011 by weedwhacker because: (no reason given)
And for somebody who has studied about Apollo, I have no idea why you brought up the Command Module.
Did or didnt Apollo 17 astronauts take off their suits when they were on the moon and then put them back on for the EVAs?
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by FoosM
You labor under many misconceptions:
And for somebody who has studied about Apollo, I have no idea why you brought up the Command Module.
Well...because I understand how that was relevant. I didn't think I had to explain the obvious...but this question indicates that it was necessary, after all:
Did or didnt Apollo 17 astronauts take off their suits when they were on the moon and then put them back on for the EVAs?
NO. Neither did any of the other missions that involved more than one EVA. They slept in the suits. Really, it is quite simple to comprehend.
Also, donning the EVA suits, while the LM and CSM were docked, and in Zero-G is much easier than on Earth, in One-G!
edit on 28 February 2011 by weedwhacker because: (no reason given)
NO. Neither did any of the other missions that involved more than one EVA. They slept in the suits. Really, it is quite simple to comprehend.
Apollo 15, the first mission on which the crew took off their suits for the rest period. After doffing their suits, Scott, Irwin, and the subsequent crews put the legs into jettison bags before stowing them on the engine cover for the night
Reflection high gain antenna?
No.
Astronaut shifting in seat?
No.
You have failed to explain the anomalies in the photos DJ.
Fantasy and wishful thinking does not count.
So, now that you are changing the subject, I can assume that you are assured of the possibility of the movements performed by the astronaut?
Reflection high gain antenna?
No.
Because?
Reflection high gain antenna?
No.
Because?
The pics were taken from the front of the rover..
You only have to look at the angles to rule out the antenna..
Would you care to be more specific?