Young Aussie genius whipping NASA in Moon Hoax Debate!

Originally posted by nataylor

The leg extends in its usual fashion, from the hip to the foot.

Looks to me like he's mid-stride, and the ground is uneven, so there's some dirt in front of the toe of the boot blocking some of it.

Looks like his feet aren't much further than shoulder-width apart.

What direction do you think the foot pointing?
Is the astronaut putting his weight on his left foot or right?
And why does one boot look smaller than the other?

It's just the fabric covering of the top of the boot with dirt on it. Just like you see in:

AS14-66-9230

That fabric that you are referring to:

AS14-64-9089

Why isn't it puffed out due to it being in the vacuum of space?

Originally posted by FoosM
That fabric that you are referring to:

Why isn't it puffed out due to it being in the vacuum of space?

They wear more than one boot per foot.

Apollo Operations Handbook Extravehicular Mobility Unit

reply to post by weedwhacker


weedwhacker, weedwhacker, weedwhacker. ad hom. ad hom. ad hom. Sorry to say this weedwhacker but you have constantly and very predictably relied on ad hom in a large percentage of your posts on pages 1-100. You are one of the reasons this thread is so difficult to read.

FoosM, you are practically flooding the thread with non-Jarrah White sources and links.

I think it is safe to say at this point that the topic of Jarrah White and his Apollo videos remains quite controversial. That said, if the readers of this thread are to come to any sane conclusions they will do so in their own time by reviewing the material. Many readers, like myself, are admittedly laymen, but we come to this thread as curious laymen and we are asking questions. The question I asked about the lander foot pads I hoped was worded in a neutral tone and I was pleasantly surprised to receive a neutral answer.

It is true that the internet can be used for good or evil purposes but let us at least hear both sides of the Jarrah White story without the ad homs and without the signal to noise ratio of a jack hammer operating in a port-o-loo.

Here is a Jarrah White video www.youtube.com...

Jarrah White meets Buzz Aldrin.

With this one video Jarrah has, in my mind, firmly established his credentials in the Moon Hoax pantheon (which includes Phil Plait and Mythbusters and Fox News). This is not an insignificant event. 255 pages in this thread can attest to that.

Please watch this video and listen to Jarrah's question and Buzz's answer. THINK FOR YOURSELF WITHOUT PREJUDICE!

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter


Oh, come on!!

The video you linked has been discussed. It clearly demonstrates White's total failure at comprehension, and his lack of facts, in his presentations. They are all LITTERED with garbage, like in just the first minute of that one!!!

At 0:35...."....In 1969, during their goodwill tour, the Apollo 11 crew gave a moon rock to the then Ambassador to the Netherlands...."

LIE!! White repeats a common Apollo "hoax" meme, without checking its veracity.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

....The museum acquired the rock after the death of former prime minister Willem Dreesman in 1988.

Dreesman received it as a private gift in 1969 from then-U.S. ambassador J. William Middendorf who accompanied the Apollo 11 astronauts on a visit to The Netherlands after the first moon landing.

Mr Middendorf told how the rock came from the U.S. State Department, but couldn't recall the exact details.

The Apollo 11 rocks were distributed in 1970; Apollo 17, 1973.
Most countries and states got one from each flight. The rocks were
pure gifts with no attachments or conditions. Each recipient handled
the gift according to its own treatment of treasures and works of art.
The Apollo 11 stones were a set of 4 grains of 50mg size set in
Lucite on a wood plaque. The plaque also had a small nylon flag of the
recipient that was on board the Apollo 17 flight. Many were presented
during the 'Giant step Apollo 11' tour by the astronauts to the heads
of state, or their delegate.
www.nyskies.org...

That article, just above, seems to have the year incorrect. The "TOUR" happened in late 1969.

TOUR Itinerary

NOTHING of the size and shape of that piece of petrified wood that was "mistaken" for a lunar rock were ever given out, as gifts. They are encased in plastic. Small samples.

As years went on, other samples were made available to scientists in other countries.

Might also be interested in this: www.lpi.usra.edu...

Page # 16 of the PDF....

That is just ONE example, from ONE video, out of the many (all crap) that he has put out. He is a joke, and a failure...and certainly no "genius" in the sense of his accuracy in investigating Apollo....

AS TO "ad homs" about Jarrah White?? That's minor compared to what he deserves!! He is a naughty, naughty little boy, and should be spanked.

reply to post by weedwhacker

That is just ONE example, from ONE video, out of the many (all crap) that he has put out. He is a joke, and a failure...and certainly no "genius" in the sense of his accuracy in investigating Apollo....

Exactly what are YOUR qualifications Weedwacker??
You continually say others are fools and hoaxes but what of yourself?

But please, we all know your have been flying for 40 years..You sprout that bit often enough..

I mean, what further education, PHD's or Diplomas do you have?
What experience outside of flying a plane do you have??

BTW, any uneducated fool can fly a plane..
Even you admit that in the 9/11 threads so it isn't really a recomendation now is it??

reply to post by weedwhacker


I am glad that you have outlined these discrepancies, weedwhacker. I am hoping, in my heart, that there was no flim-flam with Apollo.

Could I ask a simple question, weedwhacker? Which is more troubling to you? Who has done more damage to Apollo but Fox News? Rupert Murdoch is from Australia. Jarrah White is from Australia. And Rupert Murdoch runs Fox News.

I am a laymen, just a curious sod. Who can I trust? Fox News? Jarrah White? Phil Plait? Which one of these sources is trustworthy? That is all that I am asking.

Trust no one.. every one has an agenda lol.. look at the facts for your self.. don't waste your time with the nit wits in this thread or any other on this site.. its all about researching for your self and coming to your own thoughts... than when all the dust settles it will be clear.. and F.Y.I there will always be this debate even if we went back to the moon.. and had a fox new reporter standing at the Apollo 11 landing site.. he would say this is were so and so supposedly stood .. and than go into a bout about how it was faked.. so yeah..

Originally posted by jra

Originally posted by FoosM
That fabric that you are referring to:

Why isn't it puffed out due to it being in the vacuum of space?

They wear more than one boot per foot.

Apollo Operations Handbook Extravehicular Mobility Unit

Im not quite sure what you mean.
What does that have to do with the fabric not puffing out?
At least point me to the page you want me to read.

Originally posted by FoosM

why isn't it puffed out due to it being in the vacuum of space?

read the link, do some research

- note: research IS NOT just visiting youtube and watching video's full of garbage and lies. Just stop and think and you would realise why it is not puffing out!

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter

With this one video Jarrah has, in my mind, firmly established his credentials in the Moon Hoax pantheon (which includes Phil Plait and Mythbusters and Fox News). This is not an insignificant event. 255 pages in this thread can attest to that.

With around one fifth of the posts coming from one user, I would suggest that jarrahs impact is vastly over stated. The same people on the hoax side are posting the exact same threads all over the net. The other hoax theorists are published writers at least - often before the net was huge. One person rehashing their points and having the same ten supporters discussing it won't create history.

reply to post by backinblack


Not that I am defending WeedWacker — he can fend for himself pretty well, but I have to address your faulty reasoning.

Exactly what are YOUR qualifications Weedwacker??

That begs the question: what are your qualifications?
What are Foosm's qualifications?
Simple logic will suffice to expose a falsehood.
It does not require any 'qualification', other than the ability to read and reason.

reply to post by Smack


I have a PHD in common sense..
But then I'm not saying others are fools and hoaxers..
WW will be proud of you

reply to post by backinblack


If you'd read some of the Apollo denier's idiotic posts in this thread, and understood how intellectually dishonest they are, you'd be in agreement too — if indeed you have a 'phd' in common sense. I challenge you to find a single post of Foosm, where he admits any error, no matter how small. If I were to continually assert that the moon was made of cheese, in the face of evidence to the contrary, I too would be thought a fool.

Besides, WW is WW. I happen to agree with him on this issue. Believe me, I have serious disagreements with him on others. Don't pretend that WW has a monopoly on arrogance or abrasiveness.

Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by Smack

 

I have a PHD in common sense..

I posted this on another site when someone said essentially the same thing:

Common sense tells you the sun moves across the sky.

Common sense tells you that if you drop a bowling ball and a marble, the bowling ball will hit first.

Common sense tells you that if you flip a coin 50 times and it comes up heads every time, there is a higher probability the next flip will be tails.

There is no substitute for science. The brain is too easy to trick.

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
reply to post by weedwhacker

 

Could I ask a simple question, weedwhacker? Which is more troubling to you? Who has done more damage to Apollo but Fox News? Rupert Murdoch is from Australia. Jarrah White is from Australia. And Rupert Murdoch runs Fox News.

I am a laymen, just a curious sod. Who can I trust? Fox News? Jarrah White? Phil Plait? Which one of these sources is trustworthy? That is all that I am asking.

I don't depend on anyone to tell me what the truth is. As far as things like the Apollo landings go, I trust the science. If someone tells me something, I only believe it if I can confirm it from other sources. NOBODY has a monopoly on the truth.

reply to post by FoosM


Page 48 of the PDF (labeled page 2-30):



Page 46 (labeled page 2-28):



Page 28 (labeled page 2-10):




The lunar boots were worn over the pressure garment assembly boots. In other words, the lunar boots you see weren't pressurized, so there wold be no reason for them to "puff out."

Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by FoosM

why isn't it puffed out due to it being in the vacuum of space?

read the link, do some research

- note: research IS NOT just visiting youtube and watching video's full of garbage and lies. Just stop and think and you would realise why it is not puffing out!

So what you are saying is that only VIDEOS are full of garbage and lies and not websites, blogs, reports, books, manuscripts, etc? Why dont you do some research and explain why the fabric doesnt puff out?

Originally posted by Smack
reply to post by backinblack

 

If you'd read some of the Apollo denier's idiotic posts in this thread, and understood how intellectually dishonest they are, you'd be in agreement too — if indeed you have a 'phd' in common sense. I challenge you to find a single post of Foosm, where he admits any error, no matter how small.

Thats a challenge you lost before you even posted.

Originally posted by FoosM
Why dont you do some research and explain why the fabric doesnt puff out?

Sorry, just got to make sure that one is stored in case you try and edit it, so we can carry on laughing at it later. If it wasn't already obvious (which it is to people with a BRAIN) then it was answered above your post anyway

Originally posted by FoosM

Originally posted by Smack
**SNIP**
I challenge you to find a single post of Foosm, where he admits any error, no matter how small.

Thats a challenge you lost before you even posted.

Better keep that one too, nothing wrong with admitting your arrogant, ay comrade? Hell I am, but at least I admit when I'm wrong, on the rare occasions it happens.
Still I don't blame you, if you were to start listing everything you were wrong about and apologising for it the thread would double in size!