Young Aussie genius whipping NASA in Moon Hoax Debate!

Originally posted by Retseh

Originally posted by FoosM

God Apollo is so easy to rip apart.

history.nasa.gov...

By that "logic" so is every major engineering project ever conceived in modern times.

No its not. Not even close. Try again. Try Piltdown man.

I'll ask again - do you honestly believe that each astronaut who went to the Moon actually lied about it, and has continued to lie about it for the decades that followed? Men from the military who were committed to honor and truth, the very last men who would lie about such things. You think all of that was fake?

You would have to be delusional to even imagine the remotest possibility of one of those men perpetrating such a lie, but all of them, give me a break - it's beyond absurd.

So you want to come here, on a conspiracy oriented website, and state some bull that military people dont lie? Have you lost all sense of direction? You just threw your credibility out the door, son. You better hop to and go out and find it before it gets run over by a car. And once you get it back, then we can talk. After 200 pages of exposing Apollo as a dog and pony show, you better bring better material to the table in its defense.

Originally posted by -PLB-
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So why don't these "many scientists" publish anonymously? Not even one has published a decent article about this subject.

Dear god man, how do you publish anonymously an article on a reputable mag?

I can see it now, some anonymous scientists claims that there was not moon landing and wants us to publish his findings.

Right, you will be the first in line to believe him or her right PLB

Originally posted by DJW001

you simply twist any available information to support your pre-conceived conclusion: "Apollo was a hoax."

All available information and evidence points to a hoax. I dont have to twist anything really.

What exactly is your theory, anyway? The launch was real, but the spacecraft remained in low Earth orbit? Fine, prove it. Find one person, anywhere on Earth who spotted it.

If they spotted it they wouldnt know what they were actually looking at.

Stanley Kubrick "faked it" on a soundstage? Which soundstage, when? Provide some evidence.

Get me access to all those restricted bases, like Groom Lake, and then we can go see.

Produce an earth rock with the same composition. You can't do any of that.

Produce a moon rock for me to compare the Apollo moon rocks to.

What a sad state of affairs. Well it seems Foos' tactics are pretty much evident, urinate and dump all over the thread in the hope that anyone with more than two neurons leaves and then when the coast is seemingly clear proclaim victory over all knowing that most people will not find time to read the 200+ pages and only see the start and the end, assuming that he 'won'.

*claps*

I suppose you think you're smart, well I guess amongst your peers you probably are but who wants to be king of the dunces? On the bright side the more people like you are around and the more poor unsuspecting people you rope in the smarter I become in comparison to the general population. I'm guessing that you've spent most of your life wishing you could be 'someone' without having to do all that pesky education rubbish, then one day while you were flipping burgers you had the revelation that instead of trying to be smarter, you could just help try and make everyone else dumber.

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Download the picture above and paste your face onto Luke Wilson's, then you can fantasise your vision is a reality.

The moon landing is real, get over it.
It pisses me the hell off when normal every day citizens think they're "in on it".
Majority of the members here are about as informed as the average Joe. Thinking you contain some sort of untapped knowledge will get you laughed at in the real world.

Note: Conspiracy Theory people also tend to be religious.

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Hmmmm......

Note: Conspiracy Theory people also tend to be religious.

I'd be careful with broad brushes like that, to be honest. HOWEVER, it isn't totally off-topic if what I've read is true about one of the other rabid Apollo "hoax theorists", Mr. Bart Sibrel. Who, it's said, arrived at his conclusions partly due to a religious fervor of some kind. The story is, he apparently believes that "God" would never have allowed the Astronauts to leave Earth orbit --- so, in his delusional views, "therefore" Apollo was "fake". What twisted "logic"!

Keep in mind (perhaps, since such a long thread, this is good time to repeat) that the "Grandaddy" of the Hoax theories" was Bill Kaysing. He seemed to have spurred Ralph Rene', who also inspired Sibrel, and either one, or the combination of all three, seemed to have inspired "Jarrah WHite" to embark on more of the same nonsense. You see, "JW" has nothing new to offer. Instead, he is standing on the shoulders (such as they are...two are deceased) of others' and their claims.

Readers just coming into thread may wish to embark on a little investigating of their own....those names can be Googled, of course. AND (not to "argue by YouTube) but, there are several people who've posted there in direct OPPOSITION to "JW", and have done a darn fine job of refuting every last inane claim.

I suppose...
I don't believe in ANYTHING that doesn't provide sufficient evidence for me.
Majority of world theories are shakey, and are written with people that have little to no credibility.

A good thing that "conspiracy theory" people are a minority in this country.[The USA]

I'm not saying skepticism is bad, but being a half skeptic[solving half of the problem, than letting your assumptions solve the rest].
But whatever.
People pass on conspiracy theories so they can feel some sort of importance. Like they're on the minority side, whom are smarter, and better informed.

News flag conspiracy theories - You're no different than a dumb blonde who watched fox news, stop pretending you know everything when you don't.
It's an insult to people who actually do know.

reply to post by FoosM

All available information and evidence points to a hoax. I dont have to twist anything really.

To put it politely, this is entirely contra-factual. All the evidence points to a massive research and development project that culminated in a series of mostly successful lunar landings. The hardware is there, in museums all over the world, and the launch facilities are still operating. The data has been examined by experts in various fields and no-one has found it unacceptable. You have yet to present a single piece of evidence to the contrary.

If they spotted it they wouldnt know what they were actually looking at.

You might not, but I daresay NORAD, the Soviet Space Command and thousands of professional and amateur astronomers would. The orbital inclination alone would identify it. (Oh, right, you still haven't come to grips with orbital mechanics.) Why you post that pathetic JW video I just don't know. It shows more confusion on his part than it does on the part of the satellite tracking network. The fact that he opens with a front page report on a bolide only proves that more people were looking up those days.

Get me access to all those restricted bases, like Groom Lake, and then we can go see.

That's your job, not mine. I had a friend who used to break into military bases to distribute anti-war leaflets. Where there's a will, there's a way. (But that would require the courage of conviction.)

Produce a moon rock for me to compare the Apollo moon rocks to.

NASA provides lunar rock, soil, and regolith-core samples for both destructive and non-destructive analysis in pursuit of new scientific knowledge. Requests are considered for both basic studies in planetary science and applied studies in lunar materials beneficiation and resource utilization.
A. The sample investigator demonstrates favorable scientific peer review of the proposed work involving lunar samples. The required peer review can be demonstrated in either of two ways: (1) A formal research proposal recommended by NASA's Lunar and Planetary Geosciences Review Panel (LPGRP), or an equivalent scientific peer-review panel, within the past three years; (2) Submittal of reprints of scientific articles, as published in peer-reviewed professional journals that directly pertain to the specific sample request.
B. The investigator submits a written request specifying the numbers, types, and quantities of lunar samples needed, as well as the planned use of the samples. For planetary science studies, the sample request should be submitted directly to the Lunar Sample Curator at the following address:
Dr. Gary Lofgren
National Aeronautics and Space Administration
Lyndon B. Johnson Space Center
KT/ Lunar Sample Curator
2101 NASA Parkway
Houston, TX 77058-3696
USA
Telephone: (281) 483-6187
Fax: (281) 483-5347

Why not? I doubt they would take the request very seriously, unless you were willing to produce your sample and have them tested in a peer reviewed paper in, say, The Skeptical Inquirer.

Originally posted by DuceizBack
The moon landing is real, get over it.

God people, cant you guys come up with anything else original?

reply to post by FoosM

Original? What can be original? It happened 40 years ago. Nothing has changed.

Can't you come up with something original to prove the hoax? You haven't yet. And you haven't come up with that major SPE either.

reply to post by FoosM


Nowadays we have a new invention which is called "the Internet". This so called "Internet" offers a wide variety of possibilities to share all kind of information anonymously.

reply to post by FoosM


Foos,

check this out:


"* To simulate Moon gravity, weather balloons filled with helium were attached to the backs of the actors playing the astronauts in a Lunar Extra-vehicular activity scenes, effectively reducing their Earth-bound weights to that of on the Moon."

en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by Exuberant1
reply to post by FoosM

 

Foos,

check this out:


"* To simulate Moon gravity, weather balloons filled with helium were attached to the backs of the actors playing the astronauts in a Lunar Extra-vehicular activity scenes, effectively reducing their Earth-bound weights to that of on the Moon."

en.wikipedia.org...

Now thats what I call original

It would be ace if you could connect this with the 1960's.

Check this out...

lisar.larc.nasa.gov...

According to this video, tracking satellites could track the moon probe because it sent signals back to Earth.
Just like with airplanes, if its not providing signals it cant be tracked, unless you do it visually or with radar.
In other words, the Soviets could not track Apollo in space unless Apollo was volunteering the information.
The same goes with Soviet probes.

Also note that the probe takes photos and develops the negatives right away.
Why is that? To minimize radiation damage of course! Im curious why they didnt build such a system in the LM. Drop in the magazines, develop the photos and let them be scanned and sent to Earth.

And listen to how powerful the cameras are:

One camera can take pictures of objects the size of a "card table"

And we cant get in our modern age detailed photos of the LM and other junk on the lunar surface?

Not only has space exploration gone backwards since the '60s so has photography.
Or do you guys blame it all on the recession?

Originally posted by FoosM


And we cant get in our modern age detailed photos of the LM and other junk on the lunar surface?

Well NASA's technology has a decent resolution. The LRO images have higher res than the public Lunar Orbiter images.

But no one else's image technology can see the Apollo artifacts. Only NASA can do that.

Originally posted by Exuberant1
But no one else's image technology can see the Apollo artifacts. Only NASA can do that.

Does India not count all of a sudden?

A camera on board India’s maiden unmanned lunar mission Chandrayaan-1 has recorded images of the landing site of US spacecraft Apollo 15, a scientist said on Wednesday, rubbishing conspiracy theories that the fourth US mission to land on the moon four decades back was a hoax.
www.impactlab.net...

In a considerable downer for space conspiracy theorists, Chandrayaan-1’s terrain-mapper camera has recorded images of the landing site of US spaceship Apollo 15 and tracks of its lunar rovers that were used by astronauts to travel on moon’s surface nearly four decades ago, a scientist said Wednesday.

Prakash Chauhan of the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) said the images captured by the hyper-spectral camera on board Chandrayaan-1 debunked conspiracy theories that have claimed that the Apollo 15, the fourth US mission to land on the moon was a hoax.
www.thehindu.com...

Is that more Hoax Believer lies spewing from your mouth, or are you just ignorant as usual? It's one or the other, I'll let you decide.

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In other words, the Soviets could not track Apollo in space unless Apollo was volunteering the information.
The same goes with Soviet probes.

Correct. And since it transmitted non-stop, the Russians were able to track it all the way to the Moon, as they themselves have claimed.

Originally posted by AgentSmith

Originally posted by Exuberant1
But no one else's image technology can see the Apollo artifacts. Only NASA can do that.

Does India not count all of a sudden?

Post pics of the Apollo artifacts which were taken by the Indian probe. Do so for three of the alleged Apollo landing sites.

I demand it of you.

If you can't, then India must not count. Or something.

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The only logical response to this thread -

Why has this not been moved to the Hoax Forum? Schools back in session and the kids have other things to occupy their time.