Young Aussie genius whipping NASA in Moon Hoax Debate!

Originally posted by -PLB-
Well there you have it. Because the hoaxers are not served with chunks of information that are prechewed enough for their taste, Apollo must be a hoax. It is just outrageous they actually have to make some effort to do their research. This is the Youtube generation people, they are helpless without fully prefabbed media, and you can't expect them to read text longer than 100 words.

If you were to wade through all 162 pages, you'd see I made the exact same point a long time ago. (I'm also claiming the term "argumentum ad youtubum"). I was amazed at how certain posters could only argue using youtube videos, without even explaining what there were or what their significance was.

... so we are *again* at the point where we try to explain to FoosM what "longer" means?

Hello, I have one more little question that's puzzling me.

In the famous feather and hammer drop experiment on the 'moon' ...

Why does the feather bounce ? That's very unusual behaviour for a very light feather. Don't you think?

I mean, why would a feather bounce in 1/6 gravity, when it wouldn't even bounce in earth's gravity?

edit: wouldn't the feather have made a very, very, very light touchdown on the surface ?

What would cause it to roll over after bouncing ?




[edit on 11-8-2010 by ppk55]

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A classic example of not understanding the concept.

Because it falls faster than it would in atmosphere, it builds up more momentum which allows it to rebound. Drop a pin. It weighs less than a good sized feather. Does it bounce?



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Again....sorry it is so difficult for you to understand.

(BUT, good that you posted that video....since I'm going to use IT for another reason)...

As it already shows very, very clearly that there is no air, but instead a vacuum on the Moon...it is evident by the behavior of the feather.


No, the other factor to point out is, once again....the time delay in the radio transmissions.

Go to about :16, and listen very carefully....Dave asks the CapCom how the picture looks, hopes it's a "good picture there..." and CapCom says "Beautiful picture, Dave",

This is at about :20. Watch the amount of time before Dave's acknowledgement makes it back to Earth...the acknowledgement that he's heard the "beautiful picture" comment, via his radio, and has started talking, as part of the demonstration.

It's quite obvious, the delay...and remember, we're seeing this from the P.O.V. of MC, here on Earth. It is a recording of the LIVE feed, and therefore the audio and visual signals, coming FROM the Moon, will be in synch, since they all travel together, at the speed of light.

THEY WERE ON THE MOON!!!

IT IS REAL!!!

...get over it....




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Originally posted by FoosM
Relevance?

AFAIK I already addressed that.
I dont care about his personal conflicts and strategies he uses to debate his adversaries. I judge the content / information he provides on his videos.

Then why did we spend so much time crapping on about Phil Plait?

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Most likely?

...because he knows that he can't hold his own against Phil...-to-head, "Jarrah" is lost in the woods, and utterly clueless.

He's got bupkis....

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by FoosM

 

Incredible. The depth of your lack of understanding is incredible. There is no contradiction. Cosmic rays are not the same thing as solar flares. They are different things and present different levels and types of danger.

Cosmic rays are a constant (more or less). Cosmic rays are very high energy particles, shielding is problematic but short term exposure is not a problem because the amount of radiation is low.

Solar flares are events. They happen once in a while. The particles ejected by solar flares are not nearly as energetic as cosmic rays. They can be shielded against much more effectively. Without shielding exposure to solar flares is much more dangerous because the amount of radiation is high (for a short period of time).

Your escapology tactics are amazing.

So, again, since you claim that the CM was so well shielded, how did the CM windows block any radiation from VABs, SPE, GCRs ?

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Even with the extant technology then, they would have twelve hours' notice to put their stern to the "wind." The Service Module would provide an additional thirty feet of shielding. As for cosmic rays... well, they can zap you on Earth, too.

Foos, still waiting for JWs examples of scientists contradicting themselves or lying.

Note: We're not looking for examples of scientsts contradicting each other, that's what scientists do. And please, no examples of old astronauts telling different stories about how loud the LM's engine was.

You said he showed scientists lying and contradicting themselves. Let's see them.

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by FoosM

 

Even with the extant technology then, they would have twelve hours' notice to put their stern to the "wind." The Service Module would provide an additional thirty feet of shielding. As for cosmic rays... well, they can zap you on Earth, too.

12 hours notice for what? Solar Flares? Not likely.
They are unpredictable.
Plus radiation comes from all sides, so no, repositioning the craft will do no good.

Regarding GCRs reaching Earth, why you mention this, I dont know, because their effects are not comparable to GCRs out in interplanetary space.

Unfortunately, none of the points you brought up provides any information on how those glass windows protected the astronauts from the various radiation found in space.

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FoosM...wanna see a time machine?

Go outside. Look at the Sun (wear eye protection).

You are looking BACK in time!@!!

Wooooooo........amazing, isn't it?


(I wonder if you'll grasp this concept....)

Originally posted by ppk55
Hello, I have one more little question that's puzzling me.

In the famous feather and hammer drop experiment on the 'moon' ...

Why does the feather bounce ? That's very unusual behaviour for a very light feather. Don't you think?

I mean, why would a feather bounce in 1/6 gravity, when it wouldn't even bounce in earth's gravity?

edit: wouldn't the feather have made a very, very, very light touchdown on the surface ?

What would cause it to roll over after bouncing ?

[edit on 11-8-2010 by ppk55]

Watch this version!

and check out the close up of the feather bending while the astro is holding it. You will notice something peculiar.

www.disclose.tv...

Originally posted by FoosM



12 hours notice for what? Solar Flares? Not likely.
They are unpredictable.
Plus radiation comes from all sides, so no, repositioning the craft will do no good.

Well, this quote proves beyond a shadow of a doubt you do not know a thing about radiation, and the differing types that are present in space.

The radiation from a solar flare comes from only ONE direction. I'll let you use your imagination to figure out what direction that is.

If you don't understand that simple, basic fact, you know nothing about radiation, and any further writings by you can be summarily dismissed.

I would encourage everyone to save that clueless statement and repost it as a response everytime Foos tries to expound on the "dangers of radiation".

Originally posted by FoosM

Your escapology tactics are amazing.

So, again, since you claim that the CM was so well shielded, how did the CM windows block any radiation from VABs, SPE, GCRs ?

The fringe of the Van Allen Belt was traversed. Exposure was limited and at acceptable levels.

There were no proton events. Had there been, appropriate measures would have been taken (as pointed out). It was a calculated risk.

Galactic cosmic rays are of high energy but low intensity. The level of exposure was acceptable.

All of this has been gone through. More than once, but you're hung up on the windows. Since you provided this as a source (which you did not credit), I'm sure you are aware that the CM windows had an outer heat shield pane. Why didn't you mention it? Never mind, let's have a look. These were made of fused amorphous silica, 0.7" thick.
0.7" = 17.78mm
Let's add the inner panes. We'll use the thinnest ones.
17.78 + 5.08 + 5.08 = 27.94mm
That's a lot of glass.

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Originally posted by FoosM

12 hours notice for what? Solar Flares? Not likely.
They are unpredictable.

How much notice do we have of solar flares before the effects reach Earth? This should be easy to answer, given that the subject has had some press coverage recently.

Plus radiation comes from all sides, so no, repositioning the craft will do no good.

Oh good lord...really? after everything written in this thread on the subject of radiation you still actually posted this??

Originally posted by FoosM
Plus radiation comes from all sides, so no, repositioning the craft will do no good.

Seriously, what is the point arguing with someone who either:
- DOES NOT LISTEN
- DOES NOT COMPREHEND
- IS DELIBERATELY TROLLING

The fact that a lot of the radiation is direct solar radiation (you know, the stuff that warms us, gives a suntan...), or potential solar flare particle radiation, has not only been covered in reams of detail, but it is blindingly (pun intended) obvious common sense.

At this point, I would suggest the only person doing more damage to the Apollo denier's cause than JW, is FoosM. It's sorta sad to watch.

If only there was a denier with a grasp of physics, space sciences, and common sense...

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Tell you what Foos, as you like videos so much why don't you get cracking with this lot. Once you've finished and managed to grasp a basic understanding you're welcome to come back and talk with the grown-ups.

ocw.mit.edu...

Be prepared for an "argumentum ad youtubum" of epic proportions from Foos in a desperate effort to change the subject.

Either that or a breakthrough report stating that beach umbrellas are now obsolete.

FoosM: maybe you should start here:
www.youtube.com...