All religions should be thrown in the trash!

Hello ATS, I first want to say that I do believe in some sort of creator but I think all religions should be thrown in the trash. Why? Here are my reasons.

First, Looking at the worlds history almost all wars have been fought over religion even our current war is basically being fought becuase of religious crack heads.

Second, when I heard the Iranian cleric say that the earthquakes were caused by women showing cleavage I about pissed myself.

third, most people who go to church seem to think they are somehow better than those that don't. If you take a crap in a bag and lable it "miracle plant food" its still crap in a bag...

fourth, how could someone who doesn't go to church but leads a very pure life not go to heaven, and someone who kills 10000 people but in the end repents gets to? Hmm, ok, that makes sense. Maybe they should throw in a 1000 virgins to and a bottle of jack, it might help.

Fith, if I gave up my rib to make women.... I want my rib back............. But really, that makes no sense, come on people....

sixth, If religions are so great why everytime I turn on the TV there is some wacko priest who has been charged molesting a bunch of little kids and are being protected by another wacko child molester. Maybe all priests should be called "Chester" (and many people follow these whack jobs, WoW!).

seventh, Almost all religions in my opinion are very similar but seemed to be changed to fit there own needs. Why doesn't anyone who goes to church see this...... Also I can't stand when people say well thats not part of my religion, oh... by the way, can you donate money to our church so my priest can buy some child porn......

eigth, If religion is suppose to be about peace why are all religions fighting each other saying they know everything, and they are right. Also, Don't you think GOD would want you to think for yourself???? Hmmm all religions almost seems like the government, "Hey you, the citizen over there, ya you, hey don't ask any questions about our government, you need to fall in line with the rest of these mindless cattle over here.... Ya, there ya go, have a nice day! Oh by the way we are going to need some tax money from you. Gee thanks!!!

In the end I feel that ALL religions where formed to keep people in line and not ask questions. I think the world would be a better place if we took all religions and threw them in the trash, but hey, thats just my opinion........


[edit on 30-4-2010 by Trudge]

Religion will always be used to keep the ignorant in line. Although we can't destroy them (unfortunately), we can reject them ourselves.

I agree with you.
Every point you make makes a lot of sense.
But when you come off angry like you did, it's going to make people derail your thread more easily - as sad as that sounds.

So yeah - coming off a little strong, but I'm with you. Now put your flame suit on, because it's coming...

reply to post by Trudge


People are not going to give up religion voluntarily.

Do I take it that you would like to arrange some form of compulsion?

reply to post by Trudge

seventh, Almost all religions in my opinion are very similar but seemed to be changed to fit there own needs.

this is the only part of your post that seems to have a bit of a problem. there are as many different viewpoints on that subject as there are views on what music is best. even people in the same religion will believe some of the tenets and not others within their own religion. and finally, although it goes without saying, there are people in every walk of life who are not always on their game, either deliberately, as a result of some other life issue, or as a result of the belief itself being manipulated for political/financial gain (which is true for pretty much every way of life on the planet, be it religious or not.



[edit on 30-4-2010 by undo]

Originally posted by impaired
I agree with you.
Every point you make makes a lot of sense.
But when you come off angry like you did, it's going to make people derail your thread more easily - as sad as that sounds.

So yeah - coming off a little strong, but I'm with you. Now put your flame suit on, because it's coming...

Hehe I know, I think it doesn't matter though if I were to talk nice and calm or loud and angry to religious people they usually get upset either way when you start questioning there religion

reply to post by The_Zomar


prove that i'm ignorant. begin when ready. if you can't prove i'm ignorant, would it not be ignorant on your part to keep suggesting that belief and ignorance are bedfellows?

This thread belongs in skunkworks...

Wait...it is already there.

Nice!

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by Trudge

 

seventh, Almost all religions in my opinion are very similar but seemed to be changed to fit there own needs.

this is the only part of your post that seems to have a bit of a problem. there are as many different viewpoints on that subject as there are views on what music is best. even people in the same religion will believe some of the tenets and not others within their own religion. and finally, although it goes without saying, there are people in every walk of life who are not always on their game, either deliberately, as a result of some other life issue, or as a result of the belief itself being manipulated for political/financial gain (which is true for pretty much every way of life on the planet, be it religious or not.



[edit on 30-4-2010 by undo]

They all start with a central theme "God" or some form of it. Next comes the "rules" they may differ but they all have them none the less. They also don't allow you to believe in any other religion besides theirs.

Originally posted by DISRAELI
reply to post by Trudge

 

People are not going to give up religion voluntarily.

Do I take it that you would like to arrange some form of compulsion?

I look at religious people and want to shake them and say "wake up!" Whoever created us I will use the name Creator I know would want us to learn and discover, ask questions, become more intelligent learn to become one with eachother not fight over stupid things like religion. It makes no sense, if we never asked questions or strived to learn the truth we would still think we are the center of the universe, the sun revolves around us, and the world is flat.

Originally posted by Trudge

They all start with a central theme "God" or some form of it.

Wrong...many religions do not have a central "God" or "Gods".

Next comes the "rules" they may differ but they all have them none the less.

Are you against rules?

They also don't allow you to believe in any other religion besides theirs.

Don't allow? As if they hold a gun to your head and forbid it?

You seem to have a very bland and basic understanding of religion. The kind of understanding you expect an angry child to have.

Until you understand the complexity and differences between the many standing religions of today, you are going to continue sounding ill-informed on the matter.

Good luck painting all religions with the same "small brush".

It only shows how lost you are in your own limited views.




[edit on 30-4-2010 by Mr Mask]

reply to post by Trudge


that's generally incorrect. no one can force you to do anything you don't want to. not doing so, in some cases, can be painful, but then not wearing the right colors in a crypt vs. blood war was not a good thing either (shooting a 2 year old for wearing a blue shirt is well, ya know....)

i've seen this entire argument from several perspectives already, and believe it or not, it isn't as bad as it sounds (at least not in the US, although there are some places here that are predominantly one religion. when that happens, things get uncomfortable. probably a good advertisement for why ANY type of mindset, be it religious or non-religious, should seldom exist in such high concentrations in an area that the majority begins to abuse the minority (which is the tendency of we humans and our inability to empathize with others).

i agree, getting rid of religious structure would be a great thing for humanity. no pope, no patriarch, no mufti or clerics of any kind, no churches, no mosques, nothing in society that says religion. that has nothing to do people having beliefs, you can believe whatever u want, u can assemble, u can worship any idol you want. its not repression of religion, its getting rid of religious repression.

Originally posted by Trudge
Hello ATS, I first want to say that I do believe in some sort of creator but I think all religions should be thrown in the trash. Why? Here are my reasons.

First, Looking at the worlds history almost all wars have been fought over religion even our current war is basically being fought becuase of religious crack heads.

Second, when I heard the Iranian cleric say that the earthquakes were caused by women showing cleavage I about pissed myself.

third, most people who go to church seem to think they are somehow better than those that don't. If you take a crap in a bag and lable it "miracle plant food" its still crap in a bag...

fourth, how could someone who doesn't go to church but leads a very pure life not go to heaven, and someone who kills 10000 people but in the end repents gets to? Hmm, ok, that makes sense. Maybe they should throw in a 1000 virgins to and a bottle of jack, it might help.

Fith, if I gave up my rib to make women.... I want my rib back............. But really, that makes no sense, come on people....

sixth, If religions are so great why everytime I turn on the TV there is some wacko priest who has been charged molesting a bunch of little kids and are being protected by another wacko child molester. Maybe all priests should be called "Chester" (and many people follow these whack jobs, WoW!).

seventh, Almost all religions in my opinion are very similar but seemed to be changed to fit there own needs. Why doesn't anyone who goes to church see this...... Also I can't stand when people say well thats not part of my religion, oh... by the way, can you donate money to our church so my priest can buy some child porn......

eigth, If religion is suppose to be about peace why are all religions fighting each other saying they know everything, and they are right. Also, Don't you think GOD would want you to think for yourself???? Hmmm all religions almost seems like the government, "Hey you, the citizen over there, ya you, hey don't ask any questions about our government, you need to fall in line with the rest of these mindless cattle over here.... Ya, there ya go, have a nice day! Oh by the way we are going to need some tax money from you. Gee thanks!!!

In the end I feel that ALL religions where formed to keep people in line and not ask questions. I think the world would be a better place if we took all religions and threw them in the trash, but hey, thats just my opinion........


[edit on 30-4-2010 by Trudge]

I am going to play devils advocate as it were on your post.
Now I would agree that what you say is true, there are problems in the different religions, but before you condone such and demand it all be left away, let me ask you this: Do you believe that a person can change for the better?
Religion is not the end all be all of life, the reality is that religion has done some good.
Some of the basic tenants of decency and how we treat each other has its basis in religion, at its core values. Things like not killing each other, being nice to each other, not stealing another property are all based from religious teachings. Charity, compassion and hope are core values of faith, when people believe. And ultimately it is a comfort to believe when everything else seems lost or hopeless, that just maybe a higher force is going to help out or guide us to something better. Now that help is never the flash bang, but it is there and does give strength.

Originally posted by Mr Mask

Originally posted by Trudge

They all start with a central theme "God" or some form of it.

Wrong...many religions do not have a central "God" or "Gods".

Next comes the "rules" they may differ but they all have them none the less.

Are you against rules?

They also don't allow you to believe in any other religion besides theirs.

Don't allow? As if they hold a gun to your head and forbid it?

You seem to have a very bland and basic understanding of religion. The kind of understanding you expect an angry child to have.

Until you understand the complexity and differences between the many standing religions of today, you are going to continue sounding ill-informed on the matter.

Good luck painting all religions with the same "small brush".

It only shows how lost you are in your own limited views.




[edit on 30-4-2010 by Mr Mask]

ok can you please tell me a religion that doesn't have some form of "God" or "Gods" or "all knowing"

Second, the human race hasn't evolved enough yet to live without rules but we should be able to evolve past religions, religions were made back when there was no rules, so to make rules they made religion.

Third, people who paint the world with a small brush are people like you who follow one religion and don't keep an open mind. Most people follow religions becaue their parents raised them one way or the other. Humans follow by example so if you think the world is flat then its flat. How can you argue with a "God" especially if you family follows it.

reply to post by Trudge


I'm curious if you include evolution, the big bang theory, and global warming in this list of religions to be banned. They certainly achieve the same effect of keeping people in line and not asking questions. The science is settled remember? Anyone that denies it is a racist homophobe that doesn't believe the earth is round.

reply to post by Trudge


It's all about morals. Morals should not have to be dictated by people who tell you that there is an eternal consequence for your actions.

Really, all one needs to live by, is the golden rule.

For everything you do, there is a reaction. It may not be an immediate one, but there is a reaction.

Whether or not that is God in action, I don't know!

Originally posted by sdcigarpig

I am going to play devils advocate as it were on your post.
Now I would agree that what you say is true, there are problems in the different religions, but before you condone such and demand it all be left away, let me ask you this: Do you believe that a person can change for the better?
Religion is not the end all be all of life, the reality is that religion has done some good.
Some of the basic tenants of decency and how we treat each other has its basis in religion, at its core values. Things like not killing each other, being nice to each other, not stealing another property are all based from religious teachings. Charity, compassion and hope are core values of faith, when people believe. And ultimately it is a comfort to believe when everything else seems lost or hopeless, that just maybe a higher force is going to help out or guide us to something better. Now that help is never the flash bang, but it is there and does give strength.

I agree with you, religions played a huge role in changing our society from one with no laws to one with many. Now who's not to say we couldn't have come up with our own laws without religion, but religion serverd its purpose for the time and I think now we need to grow past religion. I hear alot of people talking about "waking up" and I think part of that would be to realize that yes there is a creator but he did not write the bible or any other religion. That was done by man, and man is always known to do things for gain.

reply to post by TheCoffinman


then there'd be the issue of the texts. the things people talked about during the assemblies. if any member ever did anything wrong at all. one of the advantages of belonging to a homogeneous, nearly label-less group like atheism or agnosticism is how do opposing views keep tabs on YOUR behavior? would be a scary thing if every time someone commited a crime it was determined in advance if they were atheists or not and then report thus:

ATHEIST FATHER EATS OWN KID INSPIRED BY DARWIN TEACHINGS MAKES NECKLACE FROM BONES



ATHEIST SHOOTS 5 YEAR OLD FOR STICKING OUT HIS TONGUE

ANGRY ATHEIST BLUDGEONS BARTENDER TO DEATH AFTER HIS RUNNING TAB IS REVOKED

stereotypes are just too convenient and easy to abuse.

First: If religion were to disappear one minute, in the next five people would be killing each other for the next reasons in line. Successors to the title of 'cause of most wars' could be: Race, Height, Weight, Education, Wealth, Location, Attitude, Political Ideas, etc...

Second: That is a part of their culture. In Islam, women are meant to be covered up. Thats their way, and they are welcome to it. Most religions have the idea of negative consequences in them. If you don't go to church regularly, you will spend an eternity in hell. See?

Third: People are entitled to believe what they want to. If someone gets a feeling of satisfaction over participating in their religion, I will not stop them.

Fourth and Fifth: If you don't like that religion, don't follow it. Change to one that is more appealing to you.

Sixth: You cannot just target priests here. Anyone who has ever had power has used it in some way they should not have. It is just happenstance that the priests have access to children. Ever hear about sports coaches and Scout leaders?

Seventh: A religion should be dynamic. If the people decide to change a little thing here and there, more power to them. Also, if you know priests that do that, turn them in. But since I get the idea you are just stereotyping, that probably won't apply.

Eighth: Religions don't go to war. Ever. It is the people who follow them and decide to attack believers of another religion.

There, I think I covered all of your points.

[edit on 30-4-2010 by fleetlord]