US Navy to allow women to serve on submarines!

Some men and women are professional soldiers with no interest in each other so this would not apply.

For the others, as a woman my only complaint about getting stuck on a submarine would be if they gave me grief about the inordinate income I could be making off a whole lot of desperate men.

Some people see danger; I see opportunity.

RC

Any time you get women around a long, hard, tube filled with seamen, there is bound to be a mess!

You see, do to the ratio of women who maintain normal operation of the long, hard tube filled with seamen to which they've been assigned, the result will surely be a few women, completely surrounded by seamen.

Imagine when the time for duty calls, and a group of seamen are rushing down the long tube, shouting "gangway" "gangway" only to have a woman in the way. Surely she'd be knocked over and completely covered by seamen.

reply to post by anon72


Many people join the military because they can't control themselves. They are hoping the military will break them and put them in order. So yea, there is a problem with noobs.

But those people don't tend to work subs. Subs requires someone with resolve. It takes a strong person to handle six months underwater in a metal tube with weapons. So most likely those people have self control. Not much goes on a sub without everyone knowing. Going to be pretty hard to single out a woman to attack her. Not to mention you already have your suspects figured out. Pretty easy to figure out who did it.

And yes, rape can happen in a small space in a frat house, it is called the bathroom.

Originally posted by Intelearthling

The very last thing anyone needs during combat is a distraction.

Because women where hip hugging clothes and makeup when in combat? Wow, the sure surprises me.

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I have an idea. Why don't we do a trial cruise with an all female crew and see how it works out?

You have no idea of how badly I would like to see this. You also have no idea how badly I would want to stow away on this submarine and emerge from a missile tube or something about a month into the voyage. After recording the activities of the crew members laboriously forging on with their mission. I know, I know but I can dream can't I?

Anyway, one need only read a book called Blind Man's Bluff to see just how seriously the submariners take their jobs. I mean you are literally told on some missions that their is no coming back if you fail or if you are caught. No one will ever hear about your heroic exploits for your country either. It is serious business. Life and death.

Hey, least it won't be such a snausage fest. Think of the bright side.

People always assume that it will just be the males that will be tested on self-control. Women have needs too and I'm sure after serving 90 days without having the privacy to "relieve" one self, having heaps of physically fit men running around will look very appealing.

I'm sure instead of having to worry about rapes, we'll have to worry about all the sneaky consensual sex that will be taking place but of course I will say women have a higher self-control than men do on a general basis. No arguing that....

Speaking of professionalism, no amount of discipline training will sway thousands of years of biological, evolutionary, instinctual breeding.

Just isn't going to happen.

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Anon72.....

In a perfect world this might work.

We don't live in a perfect world.....I think it will cause problems for all the obvious reasons, as already covered well by members in this thread.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

Originally posted by ChrisF231
I have an idea. Why don't we do a trial cruise with an all female crew and see how it works out?

It kind’a defeats the entire purpose of a submarine if it has to surface every 100 miles and ask for directions…

I am not even going to comment on the need for long periods of absolute silence, or the inevitable parking issues:
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LOL That is great! Parking issues. Hadn't thought of that.

Great pic to nail the point home too.

Also, no one mentioned: What if the female goes out and starts something-flirting, favortism, sexism, or just a mis-uderstood gesture (or done on purpose)?

I known some funky ladies in my day and they could play games with males like NOBODYs busines. I dare say one female on a ship could cause alot of damage-like it or not.

Lets keep this thread alive. Some great stuff beign discussed. Best way to do that is to S&F to keep attention to the thread and keep it up on the board so more ATSer and guest can read all of your great responses!

Originally posted by defcon5
It kind’a defeats the entire purpose of a submarine if it has to surface every 100 miles and ask for directions…

I am not even going to comment on the need for long periods of absolute silence, or the inevitable parking issues:

That's hilarious!!

You know, a female sub is not a bad idea. But where you do get all the female crewmen and officers with experience for that, unless you give them jobs on the subs that currently already exist, with the men?

Once you had some collection of qualified *experienced* women at all levels, then you'd have the option for a femcrew.

The hilarious thing is that women in proximity tend to start cycling hormonally together. Imagine an entire submarine filled with women and they ALL have PMS.

Holy cats. I'm a woman and it scares the hell out of ME.

RC

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Hey, least it won't be such a snausage fest.

I know....I'm going to be in the minority here, but....just WHAT is a problem with a "snausage' fest?

(consenting, of course...as expected and demanded, in proper terms)

Which brings us to the inevitable....hey, come on, everyone --- Guys, and Gals.

Everyone seems to be "Oh, so shocked" about this concept. AND, I know, it breaks wiith 'tradition'....but, so did the "Tuskegee Airmen" in World War II.

(I hope this makes a point, as it relates to 'diversity', and 'acceptance'....)

Let's cut through the crap....literally. Talking turkey, here.

MEN. All together, in a confined space, in "brotherhood"...for a few months at a time.

BUT, not anything 'sexual' assumed, just a camaraderie. Right? As a team, each learns who to rely upon, and who NOT to rely upon, as is true with any crew dynamic.

Here is where it will be difficult, [i[initially, for the first female 'submariners' to be crewed:

They will, at first, be outnumbered. AND, there will be inevitable 'nicks' invented. These first stalwart individuals will have to be doubly strong, to withstand the onslaught, the teasing, the (sometimes) outright hostility that will come their way.

I would expect, though, while they are "on the boat", that military discipline and order would prevail, and would be enforced by the command crew.

Won't be easy, for those first 'pioneering' women aboard.

I'm a man. But, I have a certain ability to emphasize for what 'they' may have to go through, since I have WITNESSED, in a small part, an example. Pilots, at airlines, who happen to be women.

WOMEN who had to 'break through' into what was a "traditonally" 'MAN's' world.

Yup! Some weren't as 'qualified' as others, but that's to be expected, early on. Point is, the entire argument is well past moot, in this day and age. Training, and qualifications standards have weeded out the less-than-qualified, by now.

I expect any submariner, whichever gender, will have EARNED a posting.

It is the 21st Century, for "jebus'" sake!